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[TheBoy]

for me, 2.6 all day long. Pedal trick gives more accurate engine codes, no egr, no dis pac and leads(coil pac cylinder) drive by wire throttle. More refined sorted motor, will probably be newer/less miles. BUT, they do suffer with a pre cat problem which is of no real consequence other than the dash light on all the time, which may mask a more serious issue. Can be sorted by moving the lambda sensor, post cats, or something like that. Hth

Lol, I love these sorts of posts.

The engines(-2.5-26 and 3.0-3.2) are no different (the only major change was on the 3.2 which got a steel crank), slightly more cc on each but, lower compression ratio which was a shame.

The management system did change but, not by much, drive by wire throttle and coil per plug setup (less reliable).

The lower compresson ratio allowed for the removal of the EGR setup and the extra pre-cat supported removal of the air injection.

Given the above, it means there is jack all in it.......and to drive, if both are in good order, you cant tell the difference!

Oh yes, no secondary air gubbins to go wrong... and the 2.6 will come in a much better looking body shape, with a far better interior. Esp if in elite which wont have those nasty leather pleats in the door cards, ar whole a far better car... For me... :-)

Ahh, facelift, you mean that inferior quality on internal finishes


As to engines, nothing between them from performance side, 2.6 has some expensive reliability issues around the expensive coil packs, and the throttle body.

[feeutfo]

for me, 2.6 all day long. Pedal trick gives more accurate engine codes, no egr, no dis pac and leads(coil pac cylinder) drive by wire throttle. More refined sorted motor, will probably be newer/less miles. BUT, they do suffer with a pre cat problem which is of no real consequence other than the dash light on all the time, which may mask a more serious issue. Can be sorted by moving the lambda sensor, post cats, or something like that. Hth

Lol, I love these sorts of posts.

The engines(-2.5-26 and 3.0-3.2) are no different (the only major change was on the 3.2 which got a steel crank), slightly more cc on each but, lower compression ratio which was a shame.

The management system did change but, not by much, drive by wire throttle and coil per plug setup (less reliable).

The lower compresson ratio allowed for the removal of the EGR setup and the extra pre-cat supported removal of the air injection.

Given the above, it means there is jack all in it.......and to drive, if both are in good order, you cant tell the difference!

Oh yes, no secondary air gubbins to go wrong... and the 2.6 will come in a much better looking body shape, with a far better interior. Esp if in elite which wont have those nasty leather pleats in the door cards, ar whole a far better car... For me... :-)

Ahh, facelift, you mean that inferior quality on internal finishes


As to engines, nothing between them from performance side, 2.6 has some expensive reliability issues around the expensive coil packs, and the throttle body.

And guess which shape they own...

[TheBoy]

for me, 2.6 all day long. Pedal trick gives more accurate engine codes, no egr, no dis pac and leads(coil pac cylinder) drive by wire throttle. More refined sorted motor, will probably be newer/less miles. BUT, they do suffer with a pre cat problem which is of no real consequence other than the dash light on all the time, which may mask a more serious issue. Can be sorted by moving the lambda sensor, post cats, or something like that. Hth

Lol, I love these sorts of posts.

The engines(-2.5-26 and 3.0-3.2) are no different (the only major change was on the 3.2 which got a steel crank), slightly more cc on each but, lower compression ratio which was a shame.

The management system did change but, not by much, drive by wire throttle and coil per plug setup (less reliable).

The lower compresson ratio allowed for the removal of the EGR setup and the extra pre-cat supported removal of the air injection.

Given the above, it means there is jack all in it.......and to drive, if both are in good order, you cant tell the difference!

Oh yes, no secondary air gubbins to go wrong... and the 2.6 will come in a much better looking body shape, with a far better interior. Esp if in elite which wont have those nasty leather pleats in the door cards, ar whole a far better car... For me... :-)

Ahh, facelift, you mean that inferior quality on internal finishes


As to engines, nothing between them from performance side, 2.6 has some expensive reliability issues around the expensive coil packs, and the throttle body.

And guess which shape they own...

I own prefacelifts for a reason

Mr DTM, if he is a 'they', has one of each...

[feeutfo]

for me, 2.6 all day long. Pedal trick gives more accurate engine codes, no egr, no dis pac and leads(coil pac cylinder) drive by wire throttle. More refined sorted motor, will probably be newer/less miles. BUT, they do suffer with a pre cat problem which is of no real consequence other than the dash light on all the time, which may mask a more serious issue. Can be sorted by moving the lambda sensor, post cats, or something like that. Hth

Lol, I love these sorts of posts.

The engines(-2.5-26 and 3.0-3.2) are no different (the only major change was on the 3.2 which got a steel crank), slightly more cc on each but, lower compression ratio which was a shame.

The management system did change but, not by much, drive by wire throttle and coil per plug setup (less reliable).

The lower compresson ratio allowed for the removal of the EGR setup and the extra pre-cat supported removal of the air injection.

Given the above, it means there is jack all in it.......and to drive, if both are in good order, you cant tell the difference!

Oh yes, no secondary air gubbins to go wrong... and the 2.6 will come in a much better looking body shape, with a far better interior. Esp if in elite which wont have those nasty leather pleats in the door cards, ar whole a far better car... For me... :-)

Ahh, facelift, you mean that inferior quality on internal finishes


As to engines, nothing between them from performance side, 2.6 has some expensive reliability issues around the expensive coil packs, and the throttle body.

And guess which shape they own...

I own prefacelifts for a reason

Mr DTM, if he is a 'they', has one of each...

I give up.There's just no helping some people.  

[Christian]

ok im going to view the 2.5 pre face lift that was in my first link .

Will view this tues and try and drop him down, yes its slightly over priced but it looks stunning, just need to look around the engine, anywhere specific i should be looking?

[Martin_1962]

Supposed to be better rust proofing with the facelifts

[Christian]

will have a solid look around the body work, do these things rot underneth in any specific areas?

[JamesV6CDX]

will have a solid look around the body work, do these things rot underneth in any specific areas?

Mainly just the doors

[Christian]

Yes thats where i mainly see on pics, as its an autobox im guessing just looking out for the usual jumping in/out of gear and any Transmission noises, as i say i have worked on these many moons ago BUT the Forums and Enthusiasts always know best, any pointers guys to this?

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/images.action?R=200842321384220&channel=CARS&adcategory=&largeId=831551600

[feeutfo]

well, it does'nt have the usual elbow shaped bubble in the centre arm rest.

[Christian]

meaning not worn?

Did notice the light on the dash but one is i belice TC which comes on when engine is just started up i belive, and is the other sport mode?

[feeutfo]

meaning not worn?

Did notice the light on the dash but one is i belice TC which comes on when engine is just started up i belive, and is the other sport mode?

Yes, not worn, or the driver does not lean on it much.
Laidy owner maybe. Or its been changed, does it match the miles?

The traction control light could be an issue. Press the tc button on the centre console. If the dash light does not go out could mean breaked abs ecu which runs speedo, abs, and tc. Can be recond. for about 100 afaik. Never had that issue tho. so maybe
Another member can better advise you. S light is sports mode, button on top of gear lever.

[CDX_Steve]

I think one is ABS, TC should go out very fast, you can see its up to a good temperature so it has not just started, the sport mode is further over to the right

[Christian]

So this coul dbe an issue, tho its not stated in the add, neither is the mot or tax.

Put an offer of 1500 on this and the guy says yes, what do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160306524686&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

Sorry to multi post as this link is also on my introduction Thread, feel free to move or delete which in inapropriate.

[CDX_Steve]

Looks nice enough