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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #15 on: 09 November 2007, 19:43:25 »

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I'd put more RAM in - swapping to flash memory?

Also would a reboot help - seeing it is on Windows
Flash is a very poor disk due to poor data rentention/integrity if constantly written.  No, it pages to disks.


Its a Windows server, only reboots it needs is for patching ;)


Oh regularly then ;D
Patched the day after 'patch Tuesday' monthly. Normally, there's a 1 in 3 chance of reboot required, average automatic reboot is every 3 months.

It may need an outage over weekend, depending on whether vga card has failed, or the monitor...
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #16 on: 09 November 2007, 19:46:16 »

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So my next Q to you techies, can you guess why it is running fine ;)

Coz I suspect that most of whats in the page file is not being accessed......is it the whole forum from day 1 ?.
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #17 on: 09 November 2007, 19:48:59 »

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So my next Q to you techies, can you guess why it is running fine ;)

Coz I suspect that most of whats in the page file is not being accessed......is it the whole forum from day 1 ?.
 
correct, and correct.

Page Faults/sec are fairly low, despite the amount of committed v physical RAM.  Plus 64bit Windows handles it better than 32bit Windows.

Nice easy one...
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #18 on: 09 November 2007, 19:50:25 »

Yep, whatever is there isn't needed often - if at all.

Time to name and shame a few processes?

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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #19 on: 09 November 2007, 19:57:35 »

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Yep, whatever is there isn't needed often - if at all.

Time to name and shame a few processes?

Kevin
VMWare is obviously biggest culprit - all of OOF's servers' RAM is set not to page, along with other VMs that are running (currently, when screenshot taken, 2 Linux, one Windows).

Some pretty big databases live on there (fallback for my brother's shops), and RDBMS do like to hog memory, plus quite a few IIS asp and aspx sites. Some of the apps grab memory for performance reasons.


Most importantly, a fast disk subsystem to page quickly when required.
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #20 on: 09 November 2007, 20:02:51 »

Ahh, yes. Processes not that interesting when the meat is all done in VMs.  ::)

Right, shall I do a search now and see if I can make it grunt a bit ?  ;D

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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #21 on: 09 November 2007, 20:04:36 »

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Ahh, yes. Processes not that interesting when the meat is all done in VMs.  ::)

Right, shall I do a search now and see if I can make it grunt a bit ?  ;D

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the search is cpu intensive. the cpus can cope easily ;)
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #22 on: 09 November 2007, 20:05:37 »

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Ahh, yes. Processes not that interesting when the meat is all done in VMs.  ::)

Right, shall I do a search now and see if I can make it grunt a bit ?  ;D

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the search is cpu intensive. the cpus can cope easily ;)
Its the google submission script that does make the processors cry ::)
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #23 on: 09 November 2007, 20:05:57 »

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Ahh, yes. Processes not that interesting when the meat is all done in VMs.  ::)

Right, shall I do a search now and see if I can make it grunt a bit ?  ;D

Kevin


the search is cpu intensive. the cpus can cope easily ;)


They're looking a bit bored, to be honest.

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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #24 on: 09 November 2007, 20:15:03 »

again late answer..Dentist adventure..

obviously system needs more memory..But it doesnt guarantee much faster op.May be VM and linux needs a bit playing on parameters if possible..

paging files can be adressed to raid arrays alternatively..
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #25 on: 09 November 2007, 20:18:54 »

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again late answer..Dentist adventure..

obviously system needs more memory..But it doesnt guarantee much faster op.May be VM and linux needs a bit playing on parameters if possible..

paging files can be adressed to raid arrays alternatively..
One of the problems with a full hypervisor type system like vmware is its lack of flexibility with hardware resources.  So I may, at any point in time, have some VMs using little memory, but still being allocated lots (VMWare does cope with this to an extent, but far from perfect)
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #26 on: 09 November 2007, 20:49:25 »

Another 2G ordered, should be here next week...
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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #27 on: 09 November 2007, 20:58:35 »

As I'm a programmer one operating system inside another is enough complicated for me.

Dont know how they handle 2 kernels one inside another. :o  

Of course this makes the administration and tuning tasks really complicated..

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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #28 on: 09 November 2007, 21:02:15 »

I remember end of 1980 ties we were trying to learn 8086 assembly codes..

When 32 bit 386 was demonstrated assembly modes were same as twilight zone..After I give up..

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Re: One for the IT Techies...
« Reply #29 on: 09 November 2007, 21:46:17 »

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When 32 bit 386 was demonstrated assembly modes were same as twilight zone..After I give up..

Ahh, that's just when the "kernel within a kernel" stuff got really exciting!

The most fun project I've worked on was developing an embedded system from the RTOS kernel upwards. Made me realise what you can go with a little processing power if things don't get too bloated. Our simulation build running on a top spec PC at the time ran many times slower than on the target system - which was a 16 bit machine running at 20MHz IIRC.

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