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Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« on: 03 April 2009, 17:48:26 »
Can anyone shed some light on my problem ...

I have a 2003 Omega 3.2 Elite with an NCDC2013 (Siemens) and a colour screen.  I want to know if I can get the TMC function working in the UK.  This is the function that will pick up traffic alerts and give you an alternative route.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think to get this working you need three things, first the unit needs TMC functionality, second you need a SatNav disk with TMC codes and third you need a TMC signal.

The NCDC2013 supports TMC but the TMC settings are greyed out on the menus. I think the disk has the TMC codes as I think it worked once in France, although does not mean it has UK codes.  I am sure they broadcast the TMC signal in the UK as newer cars use it.

Is the solution finding a disk with UK TMC codes? ... as I can't seem to find one.

Any help or comments appreciated  
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #1 on: 03 April 2009, 18:32:23 »
it would be the solution if a disc existed with a license that the head unit could recognise.

1 tmc is encrypted on classic fm.
2vx didnt pay the license until after the last omega was made
3so no disc exists with the license on it.
4and if it did the head unit would not know how to read and translate the info anyway due to the broadcast method.

I had a mate of mine look into it by scanning a mercedes sat nav disc for the license with a view to writing it in a language the Siemens head unit would understand. But he concluded the license was embedded in the map, so no chance of picking out the license from the rest of the data. Hence impossible to proceed.

Also if you where to get as far as making a hooky copy, the laser in the nav slot is not capable of sustained use with writeable media for very long meaning regular replacments. These and more so the cd changer lasers are becoming very hard to find... All very much to my rather annoyance.

It would be easier to get the government to force tmc to drop the encryption.
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #2 on: 03 April 2009, 20:39:14 »
Thanks for the info.  Not a big problem but would have been a very nice feature if it had worked.

Thanks again ...    :(
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #3 on: 03 April 2009, 23:26:46 »
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Can anyone shed some light on my problem ...

I have a 2003 Omega 3.2 Elite with an NCDC2013 (Siemens) and a colour screen.  I want to know if I can get the TMC function working in the UK.  This is the function that will pick up traffic alerts and give you an alternative route.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think to get this working you need three things, first the unit needs TMC functionality, second you need a SatNav disk with TMC codes and third you need a TMC signal.

The NCDC2013 supports TMC but the TMC settings are greyed out on the menus. I think the disk has the TMC codes as I think it worked once in France, although does not mean it has UK codes.  I am sure they broadcast the TMC signal in the UK as newer cars use it.

Is the solution finding a disk with UK TMC codes? ... as I can't seem to find one.

Any help or comments appreciated  

As per previous post TMC does not work on NCDC as VX did not follow through. However, do you have Traffic Master on your Omega? I find this useful for motorways and major roads and seems more effective sometimes than the TMC I have on my wife's Signum.
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #4 on: 04 April 2009, 10:38:25 »
To clarify a few things...

The unit's software is updated via the map disk.

Pre 2004 map disks contain an early NCDx firmware that does not implement TMC - menus greyed out

2004/2005 and later have firmware that does support the TMC protocol on these units, menus now active.

TMC in the UK is a pay-for service, and the NCDx series do not have the decryption software available. The NCDx will not do TMC in UK. End of.  With post 2004 maps, NCDx will work in non UK countries with TMC.

In the UK, only national station that transmits TMC is Classic FM (there are one or 2 locals like Borders). The NCDx is not dual tuner, so it has to be tuned to a TMC station.
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #5 on: 04 April 2009, 18:03:09 »
no way of building a decoder into the airial feed first, bloody internets full of pc software titled as "tmc decoder" not that we would get involved in anything illegal of course.  ;)
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #6 on: 04 April 2009, 18:59:03 »
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no way of building a decoder into the airial feed first, bloody internets full of pc software titled as "tmc decoder" not that we would get involved in anything illegal of course.  ;)
It really ain't worth the effort, is it.
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« Reply #7 on: 04 April 2009, 20:21:15 »
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no way of building a decoder into the airial feed first, bloody internets full of pc software titled as "tmc decoder" not that we would get involved in anything illegal of course.  ;)
It really ain't worth the effort, is it.
Depends, whats involved?
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #8 on: 04 April 2009, 20:48:26 »
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no way of building a decoder into the airial feed first, bloody internets full of pc software titled as "tmc decoder" not that we would get involved in anything illegal of course.  ;)
It really ain't worth the effort, is it.
Depends, whats involved?

No it's really not worth the effort, better to buy something that is fit for the purpose you are trying to achieve.

http://www.pioneer.eu/uk/products/10/20/241/AVIC-HD3BT/index.html

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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #9 on: 04 April 2009, 21:39:35 »
1.5k...? I expect it to drive as well it that price.
break me. Thats alot of "effort"...
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #10 on: 04 April 2009, 23:29:52 »
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1.5k...? I expect it to drive as well it that price.
break me. Thats alot of "effort"...
Probably cheaper than paying someone to resolve your TMC problem.

Not sure I can see the big issue with TMC? Your elite will have Traffic Master. All BBC stations have RDS EON Traffic, and Classic FM sucks...
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« Reply #11 on: 05 April 2009, 00:14:43 »
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1.5k...? I expect it to drive as well it that price.
break me. Thats alot of "effort"...
Probably cheaper than paying someone to resolve your TMC problem.

Not sure I can see the big issue with TMC? Your elite will have Traffic Master. All BBC stations have RDS EON Traffic, and Classic FM sucks...

call me weird if you like but if its on the car its got to work. As said many times before, i am a cake and eat it type of guy. And yes classic does suck.
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« Reply #12 on: 05 April 2009, 00:18:28 »
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1.5k...? I expect it to drive as well it that price.
break me. Thats alot of "effort"...
Probably cheaper than paying someone to resolve your TMC problem.

Not sure I can see the big issue with TMC? Your elite will have Traffic Master. All BBC stations have RDS EON Traffic, and Classic FM sucks...

call me weird if you like but if its on the car its got to work. As said many times before, i am a cake and eat it type of guy. And yes classic does suck.
ps i have a traffic master box and loom of sorts but i havent got round to wiring it up yet( he says like he knew how to do it  :-[)
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #13 on: 06 April 2009, 07:57:23 »
Thanks for all the advice.

My Omega does not have traffic master, they removed it in about 2002 I think.  Perhaps beccause they were adding TMC, although from your comments above it looks like they decided not to buy the licence.

If it was as simple as buying an updated satnav disk (with new software) then I would go for it.  Some of the other options to get TMC working are just too expensive.  It would be cheaper to buy a cheap TomTom unit and stick it in the car although that seems a real waste.

Maybe I will try and get one of the small standalone Traffic Master untis for the long journeys.  Once you know there is a traffic problem you can enter it manually into the NCDC unit and it will recalculate the route.  Not the neatest solution but maybe the cheapest.

Thanks
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Re: Sat Nav and TMC on a NCDC2013 ?
« Reply #14 on: 06 April 2009, 08:00:11 »
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Thanks for all the advice.

My Omega does not have traffic master, they removed it in about 2002 I think.  Perhaps beccause they were adding TMC, although from your comments above it looks like they decided not to buy the licence.

If it was as simple as buying an updated satnav disk (with new software) then I would go for it.  Some of the other options to get TMC working are just too expensive.  It would be cheaper to buy a cheap TomTom unit and stick it in the car although that seems a real waste.

Maybe I will try and get one of the small standalone Traffic Master untis for the long journeys.  Once you know there is a traffic problem you can enter it manually into the NCDC unit and it will recalculate the route.  Not the neatest solution but maybe the cheapest.

Thanks
Traffic master Oracle is dead easy to retrofit to ncdc2013 (slightly more complex for ncdc2015, and not quite ideal)
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