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[miggy]

I suspect that none of you REALY know how much you are actualy paying for the NHS.

Approx 20% of the governments spend is on the NHS.

In the UK, the average person pays just over 50% of thier income in tax in the form of VAT, Council Tax, Income tax, national insurance, road tax, fuel tax etc etc....

So 10% of your income is used to pay for your health provision....still a bargain?

I refer to them as the National Health now, the service was forgotten about years ago.

 

[Marks DTM Calib]

To me its not.....the service is poor and the comms is dreadful. The doctors are lacking the basic diagnostic skills and the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing (hence why results are forever being lost and the wrong instructions given).

E.g. My little 3 year old needed a blood test, for this he had to go to the main hospital in Nottingham, we were give the forms etc and off we went. When we arrived we were asked if we had put the cream on his arm that the doctor had given us (required to bring the veins up in a young childs arm), we said no, we hadn't been given any cream, Ow you would have been, its on prescription...(my comment is not repeatable).

So, blood sample was eventualy taken.

Phone up the GP 2 days later, the results have been lost....

Ok, can we have a prescription for the required cream and some ne forms....what cream was the replay.....again, my comment is not repeatable.

And I wont go into how my father in law was treated during his last few weeks in Leicester Glenfield.

Incompitence!

I want to be treated like a customer, not an inconvenience.

[miggy]

To me its not.....the service is poor and the comms is dreadful. The doctors are lacking the basic diagnostic skills and the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing (hence why results are forever being lost and the wrong instructions given).

E.g. My little 3 year old needed a blood test, for this he had to go to the main hospital in Nottingham, we were give the forms etc and off we went. When we arrived we were asked if we had put the cream on his arm that the doctor had given us (required to bring the veins up in a young childs arm), we said no, we hadn't been given any cream, Ow you would have been, its on prescription...(my comment is not repeatable).

So, blood sample was eventualy taken.

Phone up the GP 2 days later, the results have been lost....

Ok, can we have a prescription for the required cream and some ne forms....what cream was the replay.....again, my comment is not repeatable.

And I wont go into how my father in law was treated during his last few weeks in Leicester Glenfield.

Incompitence!

I want to be treated like a customer, not an inconvenience.

 

[Kevin Wood]

I'm not sure I object to the cost. I personally probably don't get value for money out of the NHS but there are others who are much more expensive to keep healthy than I, and I like to live in a society where they get the basics of what they need rather than get left to rot because they can't pay the insurance premiums or are simply uninsurable.

The problem I have is that the rate of change of cost is currently a positive number and the rate of change of quality is a negative number.  That rings alarm bells with me - as an unsustainable situation and something that will eventually implode. And yet the government pour more money in and meddle with insignificant details, hoping for a result...

Kevin

[miggy]

I'm not sure I object to the cost. I personally probably don't get value for money out of the NHS but there are others who are much more expensive to keep healthy than I, and I like to live in a society where they get the basics of what they need rather than get left to rot because they can't pay the insurance premiums or are simply uninsurable.

The problem I have is that the rate of change of cost is currently a positive number and the rate of change of quality is a negative number.  That rings alarm bells with me - as an unsustainable situation and something that will eventually implode. And yet the government pour more money in and meddle with insignificant details, hoping for a result...

Kevin

No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.

 

[Kevin Wood]

No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.

 

Don't! The one thing I despise more than paying taxes. Paying insurance companies

Kevin

[miggy]

No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.

 

Don't! The one thing I despise more than paying taxes. Paying insurance companies

Kevin

Same here, i sat down last week and went through all the insurances i pay and it is astounding what it comes to, thats before i start to pay for other items.

 

[Nickbat]

The real problem is that the NHS has been used as a political football for years. It's frankly a bloated, inefficient excuse for an organisation. That doesn't mean it couldn't work, however. A free and efficient NHS is possible, but you need to adopt some private sector common sense and that means demolishing its structure and starting again. This time the foundations should be on frontline medical care with administrators only recruited where they are necessary and at salaries that can be afforded. Of course, that also means looking at the role of GPs, whose average salary is now £110k p.a. Funny that they can't even make out of hours home visits these days. Too busy on the phone to their stockbrokers or polishing their Jags, methinks.  

[Martin_1962]

The real problem is that the NHS has been used as a political football for years. It's frankly a bloated, inefficient excuse for an organisation. That doesn't mean it couldn't work, however. A free and efficient NHS is possible, but you need to adopt some private sector common sense and that means demolishing its structure and starting again. This time the foundations should be on frontline medical care with administrators only recruited where they are necessary and at salaries that can be afforded. Of course, that also means looking at the role of GPs, whose average salary is now £110k p.a. Funny that they can't even make out of hours home visits these days. Too busy on the phone to their stockbrokers or polishing their Jags, methinks.  

I think £50,000 would be enough for most GPs
£110,000 is a fortune!

[Marks DTM Calib]

There never has been and never will be such thing as a free health service.....

[Kevin Wood]

.. and that's the AVERAGE?

Granted, it's a long slog to get qualified, and you do need a lot of skills outside medical knowledge. Not sure how I could cope with consulting with maybe a dozen people who are a pain in the @rse, a dozen who are convinced they are dying when perfectly OK, and then maybe one who really is dying.

.. but that is a lot of money from the public purse. On a par with most senior ministers I guess (although they've got their fingers in all sorts of other tills).

Kevin

[Crazydad]

Well i thought that the System over here was bad, but after reading this lot i am glad that i am here, although saying that, nearly 65% of all new Doctors are wanting to go to the UK as the pay is 3 Times that what they would get here

Perhaps they(The Government) should consider a general review of pay and Service :-? :-?

[miggy]

There never has been and never will be such thing as a free health service.....

Agree, not free, but a dam site cheaper than medical insurance, which in my opinion we will all need before long.