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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #30 on: 05 May 2009, 22:43:52 »

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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #31 on: 05 May 2009, 22:49:00 »

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...... Do not use copper slip for this, grease only.
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Why?  :-/  :-/  :-/ I've used it for (more than 27  ;)) years!
I have to ask the same question as Andy B.
I've used Coppaslip since day one on sliding calipers, and I'm still in one piece and never had a problem....so I'm guesing that I'm doing something right when fixing/servicing brakes.
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #32 on: 05 May 2009, 22:49:15 »

on the sliders? Probably the number one cause of sticking sliders causing the caliper to bind on the disc. I know a bike mech who used it liberally . He had a good supply of return customers with binding calipers, warped discs, and in one case crash damage where the breaks would not release when entering a turn.
  Seen it first hand from his customers when he stopped trading. Copper slip cant take the heat and drys out setting like glue. Read the label it is NOT a lubricant. Use lubricants for lubricating.
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #33 on: 05 May 2009, 22:55:06 »

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on the sliders? Probably the number one cause of sticking sliders causing the caliper to bind on the disc. I know a bike mech who used it liberally .
That would be his first problem then Chris....too much of a good thing and all that.
I used to run 9 second quarters at the Bulldog on a GSX 1100 ET (my day to day streetbike back in the day), no problem stopping at the other end.


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and less of the old!!!!  :y  :y




sorry - experienced git :y
That's right son, and just you remember....talking the job for 2 years in college don't mean s**t in the real world  ;D
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #34 on: 05 May 2009, 22:55:22 »

if you use copper slip on the mating surfaces between hub and wheel you must have noticed how dry it is when the wheel comes back of for the next new tire or whatever? That will not help your sliders move one bit. Yes, on the sliders it behind a rubber boot, which helps, but it will dry out alot quicker than grease.
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #35 on: 05 May 2009, 23:01:18 »

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 Copper slip cant take the heat and drys out setting like glue. Read the label it is NOT a lubricant. Use lubricants for lubricating.

Taken from Bowman Industrial Chemicals (courtesy of an empty tim I brought home from work to read the label of  ;))

Copper Grease
Ensures excellent protection for meatl parts against heast, siezure, corrosion, water & acid. This product is designed to form a protective coating that will not wash or burn off.
Uses
Helps prevent disc brake squeal - when used directly to calipers & back of disc pad
etc etc

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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #36 on: 05 May 2009, 23:03:04 »

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...... the job for 2 years in college  ......

Never been to college ..... I got my bits of paper from the MOD  ;)
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #37 on: 05 May 2009, 23:05:41 »

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if you use copper slip on the mating surfaces between hub and wheel you must have noticed how dry it is when the wheel comes back of for the next new tire or whatever? That will not help your sliders move one bit. Yes, on the sliders it behind a rubber boot, which helps, but it will dry out alot quicker than grease.

It does dry out leaving a layer of copper! I've never had repeat prblems removing wheels etc after a smear of copper slip ...... and i saw half a dozen big blokes knocking several shades out of MikeDundees irmscher rims which were dry as a proverbial witches ....  :y
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« Reply #38 on: 05 May 2009, 23:06:38 »

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on the sliders? Probably the number one cause of sticking sliders causing the caliper to bind on the disc. I know a bike mech who used it liberally .
That would be his first problem then Chris....too much of a good thing and all that.
I used to run 9 second quarters at the Bulldog on a GSX 1100 ET (my day to day streetbike back in the day), no problem stopping at the other end.


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lol

old git :D :D ;D

that's me!  









and less of the old!!!!  :y  :y




sorry - experienced git :y
That's right son, and just you remember....talking the job for 2 years in college don't mean s**t in the real world  ;D

Merely an example.

Drag racing is no test of a breaking system. And its binding thats the issue, you will stop fine.

Your brakes, your car/bike, take it or leave it.

Cant type as quick as you olduns. :-)
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #39 on: 05 May 2009, 23:14:19 »

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 Copper slip cant take the heat and drys out setting like glue. Read the label it is NOT a lubricant. Use lubricants for lubricating.

Taken from Bowman Industrial Chemicals (courtesy of an empty tim I brought home from work to read the label of  ;))

Copper Grease
Ensures excellent protection for meatl parts against heast, siezure, corrosion, water & acid. This product is designed to form a protective coating that will not wash or burn off.
Uses
Helps prevent disc brake squeal - when used directly to calipers & back of disc pad
etc etc

"designed to form a protective coating" granted.
But not one single word about lubrication.

 If you use grease you will not need to buy industrial size quantitys of copper slip. The bit about brake squeak will work fine....for about a week. Load of 'dangle berries'. Sorry just is.

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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #40 on: 05 May 2009, 23:20:03 »

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 "designed to form a protective coating" granted.
But not one single word about lubrication.

 If you use grease you will not need to buy industrial size quantitys of copper slip. The bit about brake squeak will work fine....for about a week. Load of 'dangle berries'. Sorry just is.


we'll have to agree to  disagree. If your pads are able to move in the calipers due to the copper slip preventing them from rusting solid in there (as mine were when I got the car due to total lack of any kind of lub) I've never ever had a problem due to binding or squealing brakes ... ever. And I've used the stuff for the best part of 30 years.

Sorry .... it just works!  :y
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #41 on: 05 May 2009, 23:31:21 »

never ever had a problem either and never ever use it on breaks. Only ever use it on hub to wheel. Dont get me wrong it does have its uses. Just def not on sliders.

One Q. Best lube? Grease of copper slip?
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #42 on: 05 May 2009, 23:57:12 »

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One Q. Best lube? Grease of copper slip?

One that won't melt under high temp & run off the caliper & over the disc  :y
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« Reply #43 on: 06 May 2009, 00:09:08 »

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One Q. Best lube? Grease of copper slip?

One that won't melt under high temp & run off the caliper & over the disc  :y

?...Do your sliders not have rubber boots on then?
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Re: changing brake pads - tips and advice needed
« Reply #44 on: 06 May 2009, 04:50:42 »

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One Q. Best lube? Grease of copper slip?

One that won't melt under high temp & run off the caliper & over the disc  :y

?...Do your sliders not have rubber boots on then?

Yes, IIRC I use 'proper' grease in there. But I'm talking about using copper slip on the edges of the pads where they sit in the calipers.
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