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[amba]

The 2 tools...puller and press,that are mention in the write up regarding replacing rear subframe "donut rubber bushes. Has anybody any sources or ideas where these 2 bits of kit can be bought as think I will be requireing them at the next mot,due in February .

[Turk]

Pullers and press ?  :-?

Did mine last week.
Prise them out with a large, strong flatblade screwdriver and then when you have a few millimeters of a gap,  a crow bar or similar hefty flat end levering tool.
Re-fitting is a case of tapping in with a mallet.
I had the car up on a 4 post lift and that makes it a lot easier.

[amba]

Thanks Turk.
No 4 poster here..just driveway/axle stands and several trolley jacks.
When I read the write up it mention a 2 legged puller and some triangular plate and bolt to push them back into the housing.
So the general opinion is that the rubber part can be removed with a strong flat bar/crow bar...and with any luck the replacemnts can go in with gentle a gentle coaxing .
Did you use VX or aftermarket ?

[Omegatoy]

having done loads of these best tool to use to getem out is a claw hammer end, then to put them back in use the triangle shaped plate upside down and do the big bolt up it presses them in nicely when the bush is in undo and turn plate correct way up!!

[amba]

Thanks ...sounds like brute force is the order of the day for removal.
Looking at pictures of the replacement rubber bushes they do not have a metal outer..just the rubber .
When you remove the existing all mention is of a metal cup needing to be removed either by angle grinder cutting or more leverage.
Does a new metal cup not then get refited with the new bush  ?

[Turk]

Did you use VX or aftermarket ?

I used First Line. Can't comment on their other stuff but I've used their rear subframe bushes on both my Migs with no complaints.

[feeutfo]

Thanks ...sounds like brute force is the order of the day for removal.
Looking at pictures of the replacement rubber bushes they do not have a metal outer..just the rubber .
When you remove the existing all mention is of a metal cup needing to be removed either by angle grinder cutting or more leverage.
Does a new metal cup not then get refited with the new bush  ?

When the bushes fail, in extreme cases, the rubber with the void holes in comes completely free from the metal cup thats molded into them. This cup forms part of the metal lip that you use to lever on to remove them.

 Also, in extreme cases its not possible to remove them with a claw hammer, i bent my metal shafted hammer doing mine, hence the alternative method given in the guide.

 As always with these things there is more than one way to go about it. The guide gives a couple of methods that i found worked.

 If anyone knows of an easier way, please do post in the test zone.

[feeutfo]

just wondering if the guide displayed correctly. There has been an issue with the oof images server today i gather. Might be worth a re read. :-)

[Neil_MV6]

Does a new metal cup not then get refited with the new bush?

When the bushes fail, in extreme cases, the rubber with the void holes in comes completely free from the metal cup thats molded into them. This cup forms part of the metal lip that you use to lever on to remove them.[/quote]

So same question as Amba06128.....does this mean a new replacement cup is required or is this metal cup moulded into the new replacement Bushes?

I need to do mine very soon also.   

[feeutfo]

Correct.All you need is the new bush.
Study razzo's pictures in the guide. The one with jack under the bush. You can see the top and bottom rubber has split and come away from the metal cup within the bush.

[amba]

Chris...sorry but I am still confused.....when you remove the old rubber bush you also need to remove a "metal cup",which in all the pictures looks like it is a seperate bit and gets destroyed by cutting at worst.
Do you need to buy a new metal cup with the new bush or does  the rubber just refit into the void left...bit like a tooth socket !!

[Neil_MV6]

I think he means the metal cup mentioned is actually in the rubber bush, but over time the rubber breaks down and splits, so when removing the old ones, it's sometimes necassary to cut through the cup. Anyone please correct my interpretation if incorrect

Prising out the old bush


The old bush has come apart revealing the metal cup (which used to be inside the rubber but it's split and seperated).


I think this is possibly the picture causing confusion. It looks like there is still a 'cup' in the hole, but I don't think this bit is removed.


Again anyone please correct me if wrong as I've never done this (hopefully doing this weekend)   

[amba]

Thanks Neil_MV6.....think that now makes sense...just couldn,t see where the metal bit had come from.
Hope it is not another typical " mega job " as most other things on these cars seem to be.....looks fun getting it all realigned afterwards.

[feeutfo]

I think he means the metal cup mentioned is actually in the rubber bush, but over time the rubber breaks down and splits, so when removing the old ones, it's sometimes necassary to cut through the cup. Anyone please correct my interpretation if incorrect

Prising out the old bush


The old bush has come apart revealing the metal cup (which used to be inside the rubber but it's split and seperated).


I think this is possibly the picture causing confusion. It looks like there is still a 'cup' in the hole, but I don't think this bit is removed.


Again anyone please correct me if wrong as I've never done this (hopefully doing this weekend)   

Spot on :-)

[feeutfo]

right, got some time to look at this. Neil mv6 your quite right in your last post. I would not be too concerned with the cup side of things its all fairly obvious once you get in there. The basic idea is very simple, the guide also offers other solutions if you get stuck.

However i'm a little concerned the guide may not be clear enough. If you agree please advise.

 Also note there is input from 2 other members who have provided their experiences as well. As said there is more than one way to skin a cat.

When replacing these, BEFORE YOU REMOVE IT  please also take a moment to observe the orientation of the original bush and re fit the new item with the void holes in the same position as the old bush. During removal also note the position of the 3 lever points on the back and fit new in the same way.
 I fitted mine any old how and am experiencing some back end movement. Cant yet confirm its the bush orientation thats causing it as i am in the process of refitting them again. Hth and is clear. :-)