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Thermostat extension tude v6
« on: 07 December 2009, 14:42:02 »

hi guys
           Has anybody been able to take the extension tube of the thermostat housing on a v6 with heads on, its seem to me the only way to do this is to take the front apart to gain access to the back timing plate, so water pump off, cambelt apart, undo back plate, mine is broken, thats funny james  :-?
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #1 on: 07 December 2009, 16:01:10 »

How broken?

The coolant transfer pipe has a couple of o-rings on the end and it pushes into the thermostat. To take it out normally involves removing an awkward little bolt under the passenger side engine lifting eye, rotating the coolant pipe by 90 degrees and pulling it out.

Where it pushes into the thermostat it usually corrodes a little and becomes difficult to turn. Those people who work on these engines every day have discovered that it is easier to leave the bastard bolt in place and use mole grips on the body of the thermostat to break the seal after which the tube comes out relatively easily.

If your transfer tube still has the bracket attached then you should be able to do the same (after removing the inlet plenum).

Maintenance guides here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1259003779

Plenum removal here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1176213776

Thermostat replacement here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229464812
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #2 on: 07 December 2009, 17:01:56 »

Which part is broken? They are less than a tenner new. Looked OK when we fitted it.

You can remove this pipe without disturbing any of the other components you mention.
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #3 on: 07 December 2009, 17:02:09 »

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mine is broken, thats funny james  :-?

I would like to just set the record straight on this one, with a sequence of events, in order.

Firstly - I notice a post on here. You've changed your front crankshaft oil seal - and when you've gone to start the car, you have no compression and it won't run.

You have asked if anyone can look at it for you.

I agree to come and have an initial look at the car and help you out.  In total, I make two trips to you. I stressed from the outset this would all be free of charge, aside of travelling expenses - purely out of the sprit of OOF and to help a fellow member.

First trip - I arrive, after 3 hours and 170+ miles each way, and look at the vehicle.

I firstly check the valve timing, and notice on some cams you have fitted the belt a tooth out. I ascertain that when you removed the lower crankshaft sprocket, you have attempted to wedge a crow bar in between the crankshaft sprocket and the lower cambelt idler. You have then attempted to rotate the crank backwards, using a ratchet and a long scaffold pole, or simelar implement, without the cambelt fitted.

I suspect that your actions have resulted in pistons contacting valves, and bent them.

I then, upon your request, strip your engine to the point whereby the cylinder heads are removed.

Upon removing the heads, it turns out my diagnosis was correct, you had indeed bent at least 12 valves, as a result of the method you employed to try and undo your crankshaft bolt.

We consider options. I suggest because it didn't happen with engine running, valve guides and seats should be OK, and I offered to replace the valves, and rebuild your heads - again at no cost.

You had trouble in sourcing valves at a good price, so without consultation you bought an unknown set of heads from a breaker.

I sent you a message, saying "are the heads ok, are there any broken studs" and you replied "no they are fine, no broken studs".

Trip 2 -

Unfortunately this wasn't the case, you clearly didn't inspect them prior to my arrival on the day we arranged to re-fit, and when I arrived discovered a broken manifold stud in one, and a spark plug with a rounded fastner practically welded to the other one, which rendered it useless given the tools and facilities available.

Because this one head was useless, I then volunteered to use the valves it, and rebuild your old one - making one good one. I did this, and lapped all the valves in - the end result - a cylinder head you could use on the car.

I then re-fitted both heads to the car, and torqued them down. I re-fitted your lower sprocket, backplate, camshafts, bearing shells, and sprockets, water pump, thermostat, transfer pipe, inlet divider, and other necessary components. I re-fitted your cambelt kit, set it up using the correct tools, and then fitted the outer cover. All torqued and set perfectly.

After I undertook this work we then compression tested your car.

At this point, compression was fully restored on all 6 cylinders, and you once more had a healthy, correctly timed engine.

The only jobs then left to do, were to fit anciliary components such as a few connectors, plenum, aux belt and front inlet pipes, and scuttle covers etc.

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I accept that you willingly covered my fuel and accomodation, for which I was obviously greatful, but -

I also stress that aside of this, I did not charge you a penny for this work, for which I clocked up circa 700 miles in two trips.

All work and time was completely free of charge, one gentleman helping another out of a tough spot.

Given the level of the work done, the cost in a dealership would have been moreso than the '98 CDX would have been worth, probably a few times over.

The very fact is, For no reward, I transformed your engine into something that (through your doing) was good for nothing more than an ornament, into a healty motor that needed nothing more than a few ancils fitted to finish it off - and given you were happy to attempt a crank seal, you shouldn't have any problem fitting those.

IF I broke a small inexpensive component - which I find hard to believe - then I apologise, but in the scheme of things is it really that big a deal, and given the above, does it warrant your sarcastic remark?

I find your level of sacrasm and tone incredibly rude, both here, and in your other correspondance.

I agree that I have been a bit difficult to pin down date wise, but I did make it VERY clear that this would be the case from the beginning, and you accepted it. You stated the car had been off the road for months, and you weren't in a rush - and it was on this basis I agreed to help.

Sorry if you're unsatisfied with the above, but frankly I will not lose any sleep over it.

I am aware I have the old exhaust heatshields in the car, and I will post these to you at the first opportunity.

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To anyone reading - apologies for the long post, but I have what I'd hope to be a generally good reputation, which I have worked hard for, so I am going to actively dispute anything which unfairly questions my integrity or ability, and back this up with a full set of facts, as opposed to a sarcastic remark.
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #4 on: 07 December 2009, 21:21:53 »

Hello James
                   I see you have changed your form name and i think that i have upset you but i feel your comments need amending.
  Firstly i asked for help on the form for a situlation on my fathers car which you agreed but i was concerned on how far you would have to come to do this which you agreed was ok.
   In relation to the problem with the omega i feel this is a case of learning by your mistakes which this form is about, i'm sure this has happened to you in the past james.
   We paid more then we needed in travelling and to pay for hotel accommodation on top and was prepared to pay for your services.
  You decide to take the heads to repair but after several weeks i contacted you to see whats going on, No commucation from you, unable to obtain valves either though other form members had some.
   I obtain a second set of heads to make things easier but ok one was defective and has now been replaced, thanks for replacing the heads and replacing the valves, we were under the impression you were going to complete as you said you will be back.
   Some parts you still have which we would like back and as i have said before i will be prepared to pay you postage, during this time you have obtain another omega and i think that you have put you time towards this, if you had giving us one weekend our car would have been repaired sooner and their would not been ill feeling between us.
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #5 on: 07 December 2009, 21:48:58 »

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I see you have changed your form name

Yes. Jamesv6cdx has been my forum name for years. I temporarily changed it to "JamesholeinblockMV6" out of humour, when my MV6 ... well.... developed a hole in the block.

That was a while ago - hence changing it back.

Totally unrelated.


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  Firstly i asked for help on the form for a situlation on my fathers car which you agreed but i was concerned on how far you would have to come to do this which you agreed was ok.



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 We paid more then we needed in travelling and to pay for hotel accommodation on top


A matter of opinion - I was not unhappy with the remuneration for travel, so please don't think that.


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In relation to the problem with the omega i feel this is a case of learning by your mistakes which this form is about, i'm sure this has happened to you in the past james.


Yes, I have made mistakes in the past, and learnt from them. That's a part of life for us all. I don't hold that against you for a minute - I was literally outlining the history of the job.

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  You decide to take the heads to repair but after several weeks i contacted you to see whats going on, No commucation from you, unable to obtain valves either though other form members had some.


To be fair mate - I also asked you to obtain some, because I was getting no responses. I can't do all the chasing, for a voluntary freebie repair.


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I obtain a second set of heads to make things easier but ok one was defective and has now been replaced,


Yep, thankfully it worked out ok, because we were able to transfer the good valves from the otherwise faulty head, to the head with bent ones.


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 thanks for replacing the heads and replacing the valves,


You're welcome :y


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 we were under the impression you were going to complete as you said you will be back.


I did incicate I would come back if you needed me - but I also understood you would start on some ancils and let me know how you got on.


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Some parts you still have which we would like back and as i have said before i will be prepared to pay you postage,


Far as I know - I have the exhaust heatshields - and as above - more than happy to send them back.


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during this time you have obtain another omega


Nope - I had this before I helped with your bent valves



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and i think that you have put you time towards this,


Yes, I have put some time towards fixing my own car!  Specifically - one afternoon, and two evenings, so far. Which is all I've been able to squeeze in, with current work commitments and dark nights. Hardly an excessive time - and for me, a necessity, as without fixing my Omega I have no wheels, and am using trains and busses. I also think it's a bit off to question what I do with a little bit of my own personal time.


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if you had giving us one weekend our car would have been repaired sooner


I have so far, donated as much time as I had free to helping you out.



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and their would not been ill feeling between us.


There is no ill feeling from me mate - and if you have an "ill feeling" towards someone who has already rebult most of your engine top end under the above circumstances, it's disappointing.

I just felt the need to respond to your comment appropriately.


At the end of the day - it was agreed to be a non-urgent, ongoing thing - had you asked, I'd have happily come back to lend a hand.
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #6 on: 08 December 2009, 03:10:59 »

Oh Dear! This has removed any chance I have been considering to help out someone as a freebie given the content of these messages. If it going to lead to that type of pettiness then it is not worthwhile for me to contemplate. Jamesvxcdx, I hope you have learned a lesson from this too because you did not deserve the comments after all of your past help for others in dire straights. Your reputation will see you ok I hope. Regards,
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #7 on: 08 December 2009, 11:33:39 »

It does sound a bit ungrateful I must say
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #8 on: 08 December 2009, 19:42:44 »

Gobsmacked here .... all that travelling and free work ... and a complaint about something that might well have occured when the OP did some work himself ..... :(

James ... put this one behind you, those that know you and your standard of work will ignore this ungrateful "person"

To those who may wish to help others, and are now discouraged ... just read back as many posts as you can until total boredom sets in ... and count how many complaints have been made about ANYONE helping (not just James) ... and how many thanks have been given by those sensible and grateful people.

This sort of post is an extreme rarity, and should not prevent any help being offered, sought or accepted.....

Just my views .. nowt else.

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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #9 on: 08 December 2009, 19:55:55 »

Hi
   To the other members who wish to have a say over the comments between me and James, i approached James regarding the above as we required the rest of the engine parts that james had, ok i know we have to work like myself seven days a week, shift work but as i have said  we were under the impression that he would be back, No communcation from james, and we WERE going to pay him for his services on top of what we had already payed in traveling and accommendation in a hotel, not a freebie in my opinion
    I feel that i have a right to have my say and i would like to say that i have no problem with james or indeed his work which i'm grateful for, its just the fact as stated before we had no responce from james and were unsure of what was happening
   I hope this clears the issues   :)
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #10 on: 08 December 2009, 19:58:29 »

Thanks for an honest opinion Nige.

I really must stress, that I didn't write the above to try and air dirty laundry etc - however, I did find it necessary to clarify my points, having seen the tone of the OP.

I'm not too worried.... my skin is somewhat thicker than it may have been a year or so ago ...  :y
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #11 on: 08 December 2009, 20:00:57 »

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just read back as many posts as you can until total boredom sets in ...

Am I THAT Dull, Nige?  :D :P
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #12 on: 08 December 2009, 20:08:26 »

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just read back as many posts as you can until total boredom sets in ...

Am I THAT Dull, Nige?  :D :P


NAH .. only when you deliberately mis-quote !!!

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........ just read back as many posts as you can until total boredom sets in ... and count how many complaints have been made about ANYONE helping (not just James) ... and how many thanks have been given by those sensible and grateful people.......


 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

(ps I'll tell Maria you are trying to buy another car ............  that'll stop any "dullness" ....   :)  )
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #13 on: 08 December 2009, 20:20:10 »

I'm only Joking Nige.....  :y

Please don't...... I value my tackle, it came close last time she thought I was buying one....  ;D
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Re: Thermostat extension tude v6
« Reply #14 on: 08 December 2009, 20:37:58 »

OK folks, I think this thread has run its course....

If there are any other issues that require discussing or whatever, I would be obliged if it were conducted by PM or telephone, rather than on an open forum.

ta....   :y

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