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[Ken T]

I think we have to change the Law first. If you mug someone, that is against their human rights, therefore you loose yours. Next a public flogging, something like 20 lashes with a cat of nine tails, and you make sure everyone in their neighbourhood know about it (the shame to their family may do some good). Next they get locked up in something approximating a dog kennel with straw in it, (even in winter) surrounded by a 20ft barbed wire fence, patrolled by someone with a water cannon. The idea is to humiliate them first, show them that that's what will happen if they go against society, then give them a very uncomfortable existance for a period of time. Then a more normal jail to get them back to being a member of society for a short period before release. Oh I nearly forgot, the wounds to their back chould be treated with antiseptic but nothing else, so they always have a good scar to remind them of their errors.

We have to show this sh*t that this is not acceptable in today's society. If you want to live in it, and enjoy the benefits, you have to conform to the rules.

Ken

PS, nearly forgot, the BMW 5 series should be crushed, and the gang owner made to push the start button.

[hotel21]

Aaaaahhh.. Weak point in this discussion is when, 27 years later, a good brief manages to overturn the case because of some legal oversight.  Does not matter that the evidence is overwhelming, the fact that someone forgot to put sugar in someones tea when being interviewed would suffice.....

Then the HMG of the day must shell out megadosh for curtailment of liberty as well as injuries, etc, no matter that the old biddy that was killed 27 years ago is just as dead....

Cynical tonight?  Moi??  I think just a tad....

[Ken T]

perhaps we then need to look at the function of lawyers, are the cases they bring in the public interest, or do they risk damaging the "status quo" ?. If so, perhaps they should be brought to trial themselves for attempting to damage society. If you can remove the "pay a layer enough and he/she will get you off" culture then things may improve. I think a lot of people in this country are so hell bent on screwing everyone else to make large amounts of dosh, that society is getting quite sad, valuing things like the latest game toy machine above human respect. Things have to change, hopefully for the better.

Ken

[hotel21]

Agreed....

We now live in Sue City.....

If theres blame, theres a claim.....

[Ken T]

Aaaaahhh.. Weak point in this discussion is when, 27 years later, a good brief manages to overturn the case because of some legal oversight.  Does not matter that the evidence is overwhelming, the fact that someone forgot to put sugar in someones tea when being interviewed would suffice.....

Then the HMG of the day must shell out megadosh for curtailment of liberty as well as injuries, etc, no matter that the old biddy that was killed 27 years ago is just as dead....

Cynical tonight?  Moi??  I think just a tad....

perhaps the way is for the relatives of "that old biddy" to sue the person responsible for the loss of her company, instruction and information over the 27 years and of course all years up until she may reasonably have expected to live. I would say at least £125K per year, so OK, pay the murderer a bit, but fine him £125k * 40, payable immediately, or seizure of all assets, plus he has to keep paying until the debt is discharged. While this country values money more than anything else, we have to punish in financial terms.

Ken

[Ken T]

TTFN

[hotel21]

Aaaaahhh.. Weak point in this discussion is when, 27 years later, a good brief manages to overturn the case because of some legal oversight.  Does not matter that the evidence is overwhelming, the fact that someone forgot to put sugar in someones tea when being interviewed would suffice.....

Then the HMG of the day must shell out megadosh for curtailment of liberty as well as injuries, etc, no matter that the old biddy that was killed 27 years ago is just as dead....

Cynical tonight?  Moi??  I think just a tad....

perhaps the way is for the relatives of "that old biddy" to sue the person responsible for the loss of her company, instruction and information over the 27 years and of course all years up until she may reasonably have expected to live. I would say at least £125K per year, so OK, pay the murderer a bit, but fine him £125k * 40, payable immediately, or seizure of all assets, plus he has to keep paying until the debt is discharged. While this country values money more than anything else, we have to punish in financial terms.

Ken

       

Endless loop, mate...  

Fella has been in the pokey for past 27 years and paid 75p a week for sewing maibags (or whatever the popular misconception currently is) so has no assets....  Whatever assets he had on being locked up are long ago transferred to others to ensure (possibly) that they are available on his eventual release....

A veritable catch22.  

Same as Joe Scrote being fined a few hundred quid for assault/housebreaking/theft/whatever.....

Only gets a giro once a fortnight (plus what he robs and steals so does not declare) so gets to repay fine at 50 pence a week for the next few dozen years......

And thats not including any additional fines that may come his way in the interim.....

They get jailed if fines go unpaid but the vast majority of criminals view 22 days locked up a fair alternate for a few hundred quid of a fine.  Oh!  Remember they get at least one third of their time of in remission for good behaviour so its now a fortnight.  No Giro payments if locked up, remember.....

And you cannot be released on a Saturday or Sunday so good chance of loosing another couple of days off, so poss max of 10 to 12 days served.....  

Don't get me started, I've said too much tonight already...

[Danny]

there is nothing you can do with these people.

if shooting not allowed, what about as lifelike crash-test dummies?

i'm quite happy to blow someone's kneecaps off if they try to mug me, after all, mugging's not allowed

[Paulus]

Lets all get real.  HMG currently has to pay out loads of dosh to those convicted crims who are currently serving legal sentances in stir because they have to p!ss in a tin and empty it out in the morning.  Apparently its 'degrading' and contrary to human rights.  We need to ensure current punishments are enforced rigourously before draconian measures such as suggested are brought into being.

And, believe me, I am no Liberal....  

Does'nt matter where you pee Broocie, i never moaned about it, i deserved it. Iknow we can no longer throw them to the lions, but they should still do hard time & FULL term. That's not draconian.

You took the words out of my mouth. What's draconian about a stiff and appropriate sentence/punishment? It is supposed to be a deterrant isn't it? If scumbags knew that prison wasn't a nice place to be, maybe...just maybe...they would think twice about doing some of the sh*tty things they do.

[TheBoy]

Fella has been in the pokey for past 27 years and paid 75p a week for sewing maibags (or whatever the popular misconception currently is) so has no assets....

You'd be surprised what they get them to make nowadays  

[miggy]

Lets all get real.  HMG currently has to pay out loads of dosh to those convicted crims who are currently serving legal sentances in stir because they have to p!ss in a tin and empty it out in the morning.  Apparently its 'degrading' and contrary to human rights.  We need to ensure current punishments are enforced rigourously before draconian measures such as suggested are brought into being.

And, believe me, I am no Liberal....  

There not, the present system is clearly not working, we namby pamby these low lifes, human rights crap, cannot do the time dont do the crime, they need to be sorted, something has to give, joe public will not take any more of these idiots in wigs dishing out silly sentences, they say dont take the law into your own hands, but sorry, i will, and then suffer the consiquences after, no man or boy will interfere with my castle or family with out punishment, i do not care who it is. You may say i am stupid, but this is the way i feel about the justice system in this country,there is NO deterrant, dont get me wrong i love this country to pieces, but there are a lot of issues that need to be sorted when it comes to fitting the time with the crime.

English mans home is his castle, and let no man interfere.

 

[Dave-C]

"Chain Gangs" works in the States,,,  If we did that here though the Polish would be jobless.........

[Golfbuddy]

"Chain Gangs" works in the States,,,  If we did that here though the Polish would be jobless.........

Well someone has to make the chains.  

[martin12760460]

BIRCH them !!!
Corpral punishment rules  
National servis in afganistan
all gettin my drift ?
 my mate nealy died ten years ago simular scenario   hit with hammer to the back of his head cowards