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LPG tank size - Toroidal
« on: 13 April 2010, 20:39:35 »

What capacity does this tend to be when used in an Omega Estate, in the spare wheel well?

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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #1 on: 13 April 2010, 20:49:25 »

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What capacity does this tend to be when used in an Omega Estate, in the spare wheel well?

Thanks!

Still working on options but... About 50L seems to be about right, if you are prepared to put a false floor into the boot to raise it by about 20mm then closer to 60L :y
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #2 on: 13 April 2010, 20:53:18 »

Thanks LD,

Thats a bit small really isnt it, now I know why you said so in the first place lol.

Do you think you could mount a cylinder tank that runs longitudinally, or would this cause issues?  As said before, I dont see the point in having all the benefits of an estate and then not being able to use them if a cylinder tank is against the rear seats lol.
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #3 on: 13 April 2010, 20:56:57 »

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Thanks LD,

Thats a bit small really isnt it, now I know why you said so in the first place lol.

Do you think you could mount a cylinder tank that runs longitudinally, or would this cause issues?  As said before, I dont see the point in having all the benefits of an estate and then not being able to use them if a cylinder tank is against the rear seats lol.

There is no reason why you can't mount a tank lengthways, mine was in the Range Rover. But, and this is very important, the frame/straps are designed for use the other way around and a rear end shunt may turn your tank into a torpedo.  :o :o

Even if it doesn't, a hard shunt from behind will probably break any rear seat passengers back :o :o
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« Reply #4 on: 13 April 2010, 21:04:04 »

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Thanks LD,

Thats a bit small really isnt it, now I know why you said so in the first place lol.

Do you think you could mount a cylinder tank that runs longitudinally, or would this cause issues?  As said before, I dont see the point in having all the benefits of an estate and then not being able to use them if a cylinder tank is against the rear seats lol.

There is no reason why you can't mount a tank lengthways, mine was in the Range Rover. But, and this is very important, the frame/straps are designed for use the other way around and a rear end shunt may turn your tank into a torpedo.  :o :o

Even if it doesn't, a hard shunt from behind will probably break any rear seat passengers back :o :o

Yeah, that is a very good point lol.  I hadnt considered the safety aspect.

Well, raising the boot floor by 20mm wouldnt be so bad, but making it from wood would be, as the extra weight wouldnt be ideal?
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #5 on: 13 April 2010, 21:35:22 »

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Thanks LD,

Thats a bit small really isnt it, now I know why you said so in the first place lol.

Do you think you could mount a cylinder tank that runs longitudinally, or would this cause issues?  As said before, I dont see the point in having all the benefits of an estate and then not being able to use them if a cylinder tank is against the rear seats lol.

There is no reason why you can't mount a tank lengthways, mine was in the Range Rover. But, and this is very important, the frame/straps are designed for use the other way around and a rear end shunt may turn your tank into a torpedo.  :o :o

Even if it doesn't, a hard shunt from behind will probably break any rear seat passengers back :o :o

Yeah, that is a very good point lol.  I hadnt considered the safety aspect.

Well, raising the boot floor by 20mm wouldnt be so bad, but making it from wood would be, as the extra weight wouldnt be ideal?

Wouldn't make much difference TBH ;)
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #6 on: 13 April 2010, 21:42:16 »

considered Toridal for mine, but range won.

Think if i had an estate it would have to be Toroidal, on 66L i get 350 mile range, which is just want i need for 2 days  :(
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #7 on: 14 April 2010, 09:42:29 »

Range isnt a massive issue for me, but having an estate for doing estate things with is lol.
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #8 on: 14 April 2010, 11:07:40 »

I have to agree with Urban Fox, range is not an issue for me either, but having the load carrying capacity is. Using Tunnie's calcualtion 50 litres should give circa another 250 miles per tank although taking into account weight issues (the car's not mine) perhaps 225 miles may be nearer reality.
Bit of a pain for me is that the nearest autogas station I can find is about 3 miles away in a less frequently travelled direction. Have had a couple of quotes for the conversion so far and am sitting on the fence waiting for the 'nudge to jump in and get it done.
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #9 on: 14 April 2010, 11:16:51 »

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Bit of a pain for me is that the nearest autogas station I can find is about 3 miles away in a less frequently travelled direction.

Farnham bypass BP? A bit expensive, but nice pump. Fills the tank very fast with a 4 hole!

There's the Total garage in  Fleet by J4A. Cheapest around here but frequently out of order and takes ages to fill. >:(


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« Reply #10 on: 14 April 2010, 11:27:19 »

Guess I could always use the Farnham bypass on my way to Stockbrige pond for a bit of fishing. Would be good if we do get time tonight to have a look over your setup mate. May be just the 'nudge I need. Having been using Lynda's vectra for a week or so I filled it up last night at Tesco  **!!* Plus £65.
Goodness knows what the Miggy will cost to the brim!!
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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #11 on: 14 April 2010, 14:02:38 »

Investigated this too for my estate. Building a false floor from 8mm plywood is ok, but adds/takes away from load capacity 10-12 kgs. Tank capacity is 62l, but you can only fill to approx 85% giving you about 200 mile range practically. if this is fine, then no problems. my local fill-up is only 6 miles from me, and I have to pass it to go to work/back.
By the way, you raise the floor by 50mm (approx 2") and you will need some polystyrene sheet at 50mm thick to compensate cut internally to accomodate the tank.

hope this is some help to you.

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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #12 on: 14 April 2010, 14:26:09 »

I must admit, if I were converting an estate I would consider a short, stubby tank behind each rear wheel arch. Would leave the entire length and a fair bit of the width of the load area free. Might be a bit of a challenge getting the fuel lines out of the nearside one without coming too close to the exhaust though.

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Re: LPG tank size - Toroidal
« Reply #13 on: 14 April 2010, 18:14:35 »

When trying to calc range, bear in mind you will do less miles per litre on gas.
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« Reply #14 on: 14 April 2010, 19:21:05 »

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I must admit, if I were converting an estate I would consider a short, stubby tank behind each rear wheel arch. Would leave the entire length and a fair bit of the width of the load area free. Might be a bit of a challenge getting the fuel lines out of the nearside one without coming too close to the exhaust though.

Kevin

I thought of something similar, but the danger aspect was realised to me by LD that a rear end impact could have some nasty special effects!
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