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[spin]

 

    ive just been talking to a mechanic at vauxhall and he thinks that my engine maybe on its way out due to being baked when the headgasket went, I wont know for sure till monday, If i have to buy a secondhand engine what level of difficulty is it to change, What are the pitfalls, and as i tow a caravan would i be better off buying a 2.2 litre and would it fit into my car and onto My gearbox, also would i have to change anything else, My 2.0 litre is a bifuel (LPG) so would my manifold fit a 2.2 engine, my engine was so hot after a 4 mile run to the dealership that all the breather pipes on top of the engine turned to a sticky mush at a maximum speed of 17 mph any info appreciated.

[tunnie]

if HG went and it overheated, get the head skimmed or a replacement 2.0 head. 2.2 is DBW, so would cause a few issues

[spin]

Thanks for the reply, Ive had the headgasket done the head was skimmed and the valve seals replaced, but since its been done i am getting a lot of crankcase pressure enough pressure and heat to melt the breather pipes you couldnt put your hand near the end of the exhaust without getting some serious burns, The heat under the engine bay is tremendous But the temp gauge stays between 85-90c it ticks over rock steady at 700 rpm but the car is missfiring and and wont accelerate above 17 mph upto now it has cost me approx £1100 and its still not running.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I you used the 2.2 as a long engine and trasferred all the ancillaries and engine electrics to it then it could be done

[Del Boy]

Sell your car in bits, then buy a 2.2 

[spin]

My Car is like a good woman i cant just dump her because shes getting on my nerves.

[Jamieo]

I asked the same question on here a while ago when my engine went and had mixed replys so I just put a 2.0 lump in.
I wish I hadn't listened to the doubters who gave me duff information about the 2.2 lump being DBW as I later found out from a mechanic who had actually done it on a car that he had owned that a 2.2 lump would have gone in if I had used all the none DBW  stuff off the original 2.0 lump on the 2.2 lump. My car is used as a Taxi and I couldn't afford to try the 2.2 lump incase it didn't go in, which is why I asked on here before buying an engine. The info that Marks DTM is giving you is sound advice, good luck mate.

I you used the 2.2 as a long engine and trasferred all the ancillaries and engine electrics to it then it could be done

Edit: Link to the question I asked about the same swap.  http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253748566/12#12

[Jamieo]

if HG went and it overheated, get the head skimmed or a replacement 2.0 head. 2.2 is DBW, so would cause a few issues

Sorry mate but your wrong, the engine WILL go in and work if the original none DBW 2.0 inlet manifold etc are used. The main difference between the 2.0 engine and the 2.2 engine is that the 2.2 block is slightly taller, both engines are basically the same.

Edit:
BTW a 2.2 head will fit a 2.0 and vice versa, I know this for a fact as I have actually presonally done it!!!

[spin]

Cheers  for the reply, Now as i am Thick what does DBW mean, I would have to put my inlet manifold on the 2.2 as my car is LPG, also would i need to swap the exhaust manifold as well or are they the same.

[jonathanh]

DBW = drive by wire rather than throttle cable.

THe point is that the engine electrical systems, such as ignition system and the throttle system is different between the 2.0 and the 2.2.  so it is not a case of "drop the 2.0" lump in and off she goes.  there is more to it; ancillaries need changing as well: possible to do but a bit of extra work

[Jamieo]

DBW = drive by wire rather than throttle cable.

THe point is that the engine electrical systems, such as ignition system and the throttle system is different between the 2.0 and the 2.2.  so it is not a case of "drop the 2.0" lump in and off she goes.  there is more to it; ancillaries need changing as well: possible to do but a bit of extra work

Your wrong mate, all the ancillaries are removed to take the old engine out, just a case of dropping the 2.2 lump into the place where the 2.0  was and connecting all the 2.0 ancillaries to the "new" engine with the exception of the cam cover which would probably need changing for the 2.0 one as the coil packs are different.

I wish people who don't know what they are talking about would keep their opinions to themselves when people come on forums like this one for advice, they might think they are being helpful but they aren't.

[Jamieo]

Cheers  for the reply, Now as i am Thick what does DBW mean, I would have to put my inlet manifold on the 2.2 as my car is LPG, also would i need to swap the exhaust manifold as well or are they the same.

Yes, just put your 2.0 manifold on, the 2.0 exhaust manifold is the same but you will have to change the cam cover on the 2.2 for the one off the 2.0 as the 2.2 has a coil pack that sits directly above the plugs other than that it is a straight forward swap.

Don't forget to change the cambelt, water pump, oil and filter to be on the safe side as you probably won't know the history of the engine that your putting in.
Good luck.

[tunnie]

if HG went and it overheated, get the head skimmed or a replacement 2.0 head. 2.2 is DBW, so would cause a few issues

Sorry mate but your wrong, the engine WILL go in and work if the original none DBW 2.0 inlet manifold etc are used.

Where did i say it won't go in?  :-/ Just said it would cause issues. 

I suggest getting the 2.0 head skimmed and put back on, as you know the engine

[spin]

Thanks to you all for the replies, but as i said after having the headgasket done it appears that the bottom end on my 2.0 litre is knackered its chuffing like a train through the rocker cover and melting all the hoses, also engine temp is through the roof. i think its foooked i will know for sure tomorrow after vauxhall have looked at it.

[Jamieo]

if HG went and it overheated, get the head skimmed or a replacement 2.0 head. 2.2 is DBW, so would cause a few issues

Sorry mate but your wrong, the engine WILL go in and work if the original none DBW 2.0 inlet manifold etc are used.

Where did i say it won't go in?  :-/ Just said it would cause issues. 

I suggest getting the 2.0 head skimmed and put back on, as you know the engine

You state that it would "cause issues" but don't say what issues, therefore you obviously aren't too sure what your talking about.

A 2.2 lump WILL go in without causing "issues" as most of the components that would need to be changed over would be taken off to remove the engine any way!!   
Also, you said that he will need to "get the head skimmed or a replacement 2.0 head".
I know for a fact that a 2.2 head will fit a 2.0 because it is EXACTLY the same head and I have fitted one to my 2.0 engine. In fact the head in facelift cars has 2.2 and 2.0 cast into it.