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maggie

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Poor Handling
« on: 10 July 2010, 17:20:40 »

Hi Guys,

I've got a 53 plate 2.2 cd....drives great on decent road surfaces but pulls me all over the place if i drive over tar strips ,etc. Is this normal for omegas or do i have a problem with the suspension ?   :-/
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #1 on: 10 July 2010, 18:55:58 »

Could be wishbones or idler arm. Then again ive had these parts changed on mine and still get the problem your having.Some members say some brands of tyres cause it. I just live with it. Did have camber changed to cure it which it did, but it slowly returned after 4 months. :'(
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #2 on: 10 July 2010, 19:59:06 »

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Could be wishbones or idler arm. Then again ive had these parts changed on mine and still get the problem your having.Some members say some brands of tyres cause it. I just live with it. Did have camber changed to cure it which it did, but it slowly returned after 4 months. :'(
If setting the camber cured it with the new wishbones but the problem has now returned I would suspect that the new wishbone bushes have gone soft and allowed the camber to go out of tolerance again  :( :(

Did you use 'quality' (VX or Lemforder) wishbones or a budget brand?
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #3 on: 10 July 2010, 20:10:02 »

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Hi Guys,

I've got a 53 plate 2.2 cd....drives great on decent road surfaces but pulls me all over the place if i drive over tar strips ,etc. Is this normal for omegas or do i have a problem with the suspension ?   :-/
I have the same problem.

As well as the wishbone bushes you should look for movement in the steering idler and soft rear subframe (doughnut) bushes.
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #4 on: 10 July 2010, 23:39:00 »

Thats my next job. Change rear subframe bushes. I can hear them creaking when going over speed humps and pulling on drive way.
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #5 on: 11 July 2010, 00:47:33 »

Probably the biggest issue with the omega, or certainly the omegas I've owned anyway.

It's a big job and can take weeks to sort out if your working and diy ing the problem yourself even if you know what your doing.

First point do not rush out and buy new tyres. The problem will come back as they wear to the cars settings.

1 rectify any steering or suspension faults. If you have any doubts on any parts or desires to fit new or lower or better or just stock shocks and springs do so at this point.
Check, top shock mount, for play or creaking or cracking, shocks for leaks or bouncyness/loss of damping, springs for breakages on the ends and measure the ride hight in each corner to make sure it's the same within 5 mill all round (wim say 10mill is within limits but in fitting new springs I've found found the ride hight returns to within a couple of mill all round) wishbones, bushes for cracks and splits, steering knuckles for play. Rear donuts are most common failure at the back, but also check the block bushes at the back of the diff to chassis that deal with lateral play and the round cotton real sized bushes dif bushes that deal with play for and aft although these are fairly bullet proof.
Steering your looking at steering idler as main culprit, plus track rod ends and wheel barings, pitman arm and steering box fairly bullet proof although the box may well need adjusting a tickle, be careful though it's easy to bugger it up.
When replacing wishbones be sure to torque the bolts correctly with the wheels loaded to give the correct ride hight when tightening, or they will fail early. Fit lemforder only as the only reliable source, gaybay specials are a gamble if they'll last 3 months avoid first line and buy parts buy in particular for these items. Febi (?) also to be avoided.

2 Once you've done all the work, get it checked for full geometric alignment, tracking alone is a waste of time, the omega can be adjusted for castor angle, camber and toe at the front, and toe which also affects non adjustable camber at the rear.

3 fit new tyres, what's on the car while the settings are all to cock will have worn unevenly and will add to any Ill handling problems or will continue to affect the cars stability until they are replaced, even once set up correctly.
Avoid falcon 912's ESP in low profile sizes, pirelli p zero and avons all get poor reviews on here. Conti sc3 Dunlop, potenza, Toyo proxys and kumho ku 31all seem to get thumbs up depending on your wallet.

Rest assured though, it is entirely possible to get a perfectly good handling omega, my tip, fit lowered sports chassis   
« Last Edit: 11 July 2010, 00:54:09 by chrisgixer »
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #6 on: 11 July 2010, 00:49:31 »

suspension all round, as fitted to later mv6. :y
« Last Edit: 11 July 2010, 00:49:54 by chrisgixer »
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Re: Poor Handling
« Reply #7 on: 14 July 2010, 12:40:01 »

later Omgea Bs run very wide tyres, tramlining is always going to be a problem.

actually, it's one of the bugbears of car design engineers - you design a pretty good handling chassis and then the marketing people come up with a request for bigger rims with wider tyres.

Omega B suspension is the same as Omega A, and that was designed on 195s.

then just look at the best-handling car of all time, the original Lotus Elan - that had 145's at launch

another good example is the Honda NS-X, a car which raised the bar for so-called supercars. It comprehensively out-handled the corresponding Ferrari, despite having 205s at the front and 215s at the rear.
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