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[albitz]

is it a zx10(big old muscle bike)or a zx10r(quick enough to frighten most mortals) that you ride when you are on a break from your ocd (omega compulsive disorder). 2. i know that you lend v6 cam locking tools to members with 500 plus postings,but do you hire them to those of us who arent there yet?

[TheBoy]

Old ZX10 (1989). Still fast enough to sometimes scare the sh** out of me, esp when sliding down the A421 tarmac thinking 'this is going to be expensive'!

Re timing kit, I've had a couple of scares with getting kit back, hence my 500 posts (unless I know the person personally) thing.

Obviously, if you want to come and change the belt on my drive, I'm sure we can sort something out, but may be a bit far for you...


Additionally, there may be a rumour of another 'cambelt party' going on. Why do they always happen in February though  

[albitz]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

[Darth Loo-knee]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

It is for TB thats why he fell off  

[Darth Loo-knee]

Old ZX10 (1989). Still fast enough to sometimes scare the sh** out of me, esp when sliding down the A421 tarmac thinking 'this is going to be expensive'!

Re timing kit, I've had a couple of scares with getting kit back, hence my 500 posts (unless I know the person personally) thing.

Obviously, if you want to come and change the belt on my drive, I'm sure we can sort something out, but may be a bit far for you...


Additionally, there may be a rumour of another 'cambelt party' going on. Why do they always happen in February though  

So where is this Cam Belt Party gonna be then??  

[TheBoy]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

I like the big sports/tourers, as they can soak up miles easily, and you're not constantly fighting the gearbox on those days when you're not in a hurry - just have it in top, and it will still pull nicely...

[TheBoy]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

It is for TB thats why he fell off  

If I'm honest, it did (and still does on cold days) smart a bit.

Something unexpected happened with the car in front, I then snatched front brake, game over.  Would happen on any bike, though more modern frames may have been a bit more forgiving possibly.

[TheBoy]

So where is this Cam Belt Party gonna be then??  

Details still to be confirmed, and some people still to be bribed.  The plan may be around 10 cars (if we can get enough 'experts'), under cover, in Feb (again!)

[Paul M]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

I like the big sports/tourers, as they can soak up miles easily, and you're not constantly fighting the gearbox on those days when you're not in a hurry - just have it in top, and it will still pull nicely...

The R1 is surprisingly flexible in this regard, when I first rode it I was really impressed with how easy it is to ride sedately on what is basically a road legal sports bike. OK so you don't get peak power until almost 12,000 RPM, but realistically you only actually use that peak power 1% of the time, as it's absolutely manic (it'll do 0-100 in 5.something seconds if you can keep the front end down). At anything over 3,000 RPM it still pulls well enough to out accelerate most things on the road, and the close ratio gearing means that  you can leave it in 6th down to quite low speeds (about 40 MPH) easily enough, as long as you're not going to be racing a Bugatti Veyron . If you really want to you can accelerate from 40 to 186 MPH in one gear!

This flexibility is the main reason I bought the R1 over the R6 or another 600cc sports bike. The 600s are plenty quick enough for the road, but they need to be thrashed to get decent performance, they're much more peaky than litre sports bikes in my experience. Oh and the bragging rights down the pub are an added bonus

Needless to say the riding position is a different matter. It's not too bad (less extreme than the 10R) but after a few hours your wrists and neck start to get a little sore. Not the kind of bike to be touring around Europe on. I had a shot on a mate's XJR-1300 and that is really comfortable and really smooth in comparison. I'd still have the R1 on a B-road though as its turn-in is really eagre, you only have to think about a bend and the bike follows. It's a fun weekend bike for blasting along country roads, if you want something for longer distances I'd consider something a little more upright.

[TheBoy]

yeah it would be a bit far,but i can appreciate your position,i would probably do the same if i had them. i nearly bought a zx10 a few years back but it looked a bit too big and brutal for me,i didnt think my 11 stone would be enough to manhandle it around the twisties,so i bought an old(1983)gpz750 instead.now got a cbr600(99) which is good fun,although after having ridden an R1 a few times i REALLY want one but mrs albs keeps talking me out of it,i.e. no your bloody not ! anyway gotta go as im back to work tomorrow(which is bringing on suicidal thoughts!) bye for now

I like the big sports/tourers, as they can soak up miles easily, and you're not constantly fighting the gearbox on those days when you're not in a hurry - just have it in top, and it will still pull nicely...

The R1 is surprisingly flexible in this regard, when I first rode it I was really impressed with how easy it is to ride sedately on what is basically a road legal sports bike. OK so you don't get peak power until almost 12,000 RPM, but realistically you only actually use that peak power 1% of the time, as it's absolutely manic (it'll do 0-100 in 5.something seconds if you can keep the front end down). At anything over 3,000 RPM it still pulls well enough to out accelerate most things on the road, and the close ratio gearing means that  you can leave it in 6th down to quite low speeds (about 40 MPH) easily enough, as long as you're not going to be racing a Bugatti Veyron . If you really want to you can accelerate from 40 to 186 MPH in one gear!

This flexibility is the main reason I bought the R1 over the R6 or another 600cc sports bike. The 600s are plenty quick enough for the road, but they need to be thrashed to get decent performance, they're much more peaky than litre sports bikes in my experience. Oh and the bragging rights down the pub are an added bonus

Needless to say the riding position is a different matter. It's not too bad (less extreme than the 10R) but after a few hours your wrists and neck start to get a little sore. Not the kind of bike to be touring around Europe on. I had a shot on a mate's XJR-1300 and that is really comfortable and really smooth in comparison. I'd still have the R1 on a B-road though as its turn-in is really eagre, you only have to think about a bend and the bike follows. It's a fun weekend bike for blasting along country roads, if you want something for longer distances I'd consider something a little more upright.

By their nature, the 900/1000 bikes are not as agile around the bends as the 600s, but so much nicer to ride.  As you say, high gear, it just has the power.  Never had more than 140 out of mine (never ride much at speed, esp since my little bump, and rarely find a bit of suitabl, empty road), but had bags left. I would say its stated 165 is easy.  Not bad for a nearly 20yr old bike....

[Paul M]

By their nature, the 900/1000 bikes are not as agile around the bends as the 600s, but so much nicer to ride.  As you say, high gear, it just has the power.  Never had more than 140 out of mine (never ride much at speed, esp since my little bump, and rarely find a bit of suitabl, empty road), but had bags left. I would say its stated 165 is easy.  Not bad for a nearly 20yr old bike....

I feel the modern 1000s are pretty much on a par with 600s handling wise, gone are the days where bigger engines meant lardier bikes. When the R1 came out around 1999 it redefined the litre class with a specially developed compact 1000cc engine that was mated to a compact and light frame similar to that previously only seen on 600s. All other manufacturers producing litre sports bikes soon matched that, so the 600s and 1000s are very similar these days. The latest R1 weighs around 174 Kg, with the R6 weighing 166 kg. Every gram counts when you're right on the limit, but with the weight of the rider varying much more an 8kg difference is hardly likely to be noticable on the road for the vast majority of riders.

Certainly for me, the only real difference was the engine. It's quite possible the R6 is quicker point to point for most riders, but I'd say that's more down to having too much power in the R1, which often results in all but the best riders getting out of shape on the bends by either entering too quickly, or braking too early resulting in too much speed being scrubbed off. I don't use it anywhere near the limits on the road, so it's immaterial anyway. Might take it on a track day this year though, depends how brave I get

[Kevin Wood]

Nice donor engines for kit cars too. Free sequential gearbox with each one  

Kevin

[Paul M]

Nice donor engines for kit cars too. Free sequential gearbox with each one  

Kevin
 

I've driven a bike engined single seater race car on a trackday, and it was fantastic. Nice close ratios, near instantaneous clutchless upshifts no problem, and of course a 13,000 RPM screaming engine right behind you

Makes you realise just how mundane normal car engines and gearboxes actually are. Of course the bike engine has sod all torque so put it into a normal, heavy car and you're going to be burning out the clutch trying to get it moving

[Kevin Wood]

Yep. Exactly. I would have put one in my Westfield if it wasn't for the fact that it gets so much road use.

Once you've got it rolling they're fantastic. People don't expect a road car to rev to 13k either, so you can play with them up to 6K and, when they think you've run out of revs, unleash the other 7K and disappear over the horizon!  

However, first gear ends up a bit high, and the clutch a bit sharp and fragile so it's a nightmare in traffic, there are no truly reliable options for a reverse gear other than not having one and motorway cruising at 9K RPM is a tad tiring, so I went for a breathed-on car engine instead. Somewhere between the two extremes.

As you reduce the weight of a car, a car engine and gearbox in "normal" tune feels more and more mundane.

Kevin

[Elite Pete]

I saw an old Mini with two Fireblade engines fitted, one driving the front and one the rear. That was one fast car