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Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« on: 07 March 2011, 18:00:34 »

Most odd. Now before I start on the steering box I need to stress, there is no play in the track rod ends and ball joints in the steering linkage. There is no detectable play anywhere. I checked for all these things first because, when holding the road wheel at 9/3 o'clock position on the drivers side there is play that feels for all the world like track rod ball joint play... Except there is non! At all!

I checked. And a mate checked, we both agree, the play appears to be in the steering box itself.it's only reall noticeable on the drivers side wheel, pass side is better but only in a more distant diluted sense. The amount of movement is similar but the knock felt is less harsh.

Hold drivers side wheel at 3/9 o'clock and wiggle for play reveals about 5 mill of play, but the movement feels damped when pushing the wheel inboard with the left side near drivers door, push the wheel inboard from the right side of the wheel near bumper and it feels harsh like a knock. So wiggle gives thump knock thump knock, if you see what I mean.

Doesn't seem to matter if engine running or not, or if the box is adjusted tight or not, the play is the same. Driving with box pre adjustment feels like there's track rod play, slight wonder, slight knock over some bumps with some right hand lock on, except when turning the wheels violently left to right while driving at 10mph or so only gives a knock turning right, left is fine, right knocks and so on.
I have tightened the box adjustment to the point it's a fraction too tight. Makes no odds to the play.

If track rod I would expect any knock to be there turning both ways, if at all. I would much prefer a failed track rod than this, but all ball joints seem fine to both of us. Car has done 62k.

I wouldn't mind too much but Mot is due tomorrow. Arse !  :'(
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #1 on: 07 March 2011, 18:03:06 »

Throw it in for MOT, it'll probably pass.

I seem to recall Omega steering boxes are 2woody's favourite job...
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #2 on: 07 March 2011, 18:03:55 »

Also, what are the top strut bearings like?
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #3 on: 07 March 2011, 18:08:23 »

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Also, what are the top strut bearings like?
I undid the top shock mount completely so it was hanging down not contacting the turret. No change!
Maybe the Mot man will find the fault.  :-/
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #4 on: 07 March 2011, 18:09:59 »

I wish i had let 2 woody adjust the box at the meet now, as he did offer, bless him.
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #5 on: 07 March 2011, 20:45:20 »

Was the engine running? A bit of fluid makes a difference.

Also, was the steering wheel set dead ahead? There is less damping effect off-centre.

It would have to be bad enough to upset your Falken twitch need for the car to track straight if it was MOT failure bad.

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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #6 on: 07 March 2011, 20:52:31 »

fancy a trip down to Bovington - I'm stuck in the workshop watching a vehicle run for 24 hours. Mind you, I've managed to fix the driver's seat heater and pedal adjustments.

have you tried the column bearings ?

And/or the rubber column joint ?

p.s. how you getting on with the 4.1 diff ?
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #7 on: 07 March 2011, 21:11:23 »

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Was the engine running? A bit of fluid makes a difference.
Yep defo, made no odds.

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Also, was the steering wheel set dead ahead? There is less damping effect off-centre.
Yes defo, made no odds. Although it is worse off center, as you would expect.

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It would have to be bad enough to upset your Falken twitch need for the car to track straight if it was MOT failure bad.
pas side tyre has inside shouder wear from previous wishbones, so it had me looking there was nothing else tbh as it was getting twitchy on that side. Opposite side to the problem found.
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #8 on: 07 March 2011, 21:21:20 »

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fancy a trip down to Bovington - I'm stuck in the workshop watching a vehicle run for 24 hours. Mind you, I've managed to fix the driver's seat heater and pedal adjustments.

have you tried the column bearings ?

And/or the rubber column joint ?

p.s. how you getting on with the 4.1 diff ?
Only examined externally so far, dif is exactly the same  :-/
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« Reply #9 on: 07 March 2011, 21:23:33 »

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fancy a trip down to Bovington - I'm stuck in the workshop watching a vehicle run for 24 hours. Mind you, I've managed to fix the driver's seat heater and pedal adjustments.

have you tried the column bearings ?

And/or the rubber column joint ?

p.s. how you getting on with the 4.1 diff ?
Only examined externally so far, dif is exactly the same  :-/
And could pop down tomorrow pm.
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #10 on: 07 March 2011, 22:32:55 »

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fancy a trip down to Bovington - I'm stuck in the workshop watching a vehicle run for 24 hours. Mind you, I've managed to fix the driver's seat heater and pedal adjustments.

have you tried the column bearings ?

And/or the rubber column joint ?

p.s. how you getting on with the 4.1 diff ?
Only examined externally so far, dif is exactly the same  :-/
And could pop down tomorrow pm.

we're finishing at 14.00, after which I'm intending to sleep for a long time !
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« Reply #11 on: 07 March 2011, 23:50:11 »

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fancy a trip down to Bovington - I'm stuck in the workshop watching a vehicle run for 24 hours. Mind you, I've managed to fix the driver's seat heater and pedal adjustments.

have you tried the column bearings ?

And/or the rubber column joint ?

p.s. how you getting on with the 4.1 diff ?
Only examined externally so far, dif is exactly the same  :-/
And could pop down tomorrow pm.

we're finishing at 14.00, after which I'm intending to sleep for a long time !
Too right.

If another date suits? ... Pm pending.
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #12 on: 08 March 2011, 11:52:28 »

I'm down South again most of next week, so could meet up then.
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« Reply #13 on: 08 March 2011, 17:29:21 »

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I'm down South again most of next week, so could meet up then.
Late shift next week sadly, but always up for a trip to bovington/curry house/pub or whatever if not working.

Could take a day off though. We're not busy atm.

Passed Mot btw. Sailed through. I asked bloke about this issue, said "thats normal for a steering box! Dont worry.... Or do you want me to fail it"    .... Not always a good idea to build a more friendly relationship with your mot tester.  :-/  ;D

 I explained about  a certain admins problems passing mot's. He went out to tell the rst of the lads, much laughter was heard as i left.  ;D:-X
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Re: Steering box, play/knock on one side...?
« Reply #14 on: 08 March 2011, 20:00:29 »

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I explained about  a certain admins problems passing mot's. He went out to tell the rst of the lads, much laughter was heard as i left.  ;D:-X

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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