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[Elite Pete]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

That will only get you a week away in the hotel YMCA

[miggy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

[Andy B]

...... now i have never been behind a caravan that does more than 45mph on an A road... its got a chain of cars behind it...

You've never been behind me then!! I don't do 40/45mph with or without the 'van!

[Golfbuddy]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

Errr, No.  :-/

Exactly we are talking about UK holidays? Thats what caravans are mainly used for...

Holidays in the far east or west are a differnt kettle of fish

Quite right. For youngsters like you, camping under canvass for a couple of weeks is great. When you get a bit older, and have a family, you want a bit more comfort and some more convenience that you don't get with a tent.

There are definitely cheaper ways of enjoying the UK and Europe than with a caravan as you know Tunnie, from your European adventure last year with the Senator.

I guess what the caravanners are saying is that the objections/prejudice towards caravans is usually unfair and ill informed. Loads of them hitch up in the middle of the night and drive whilst the roads are quiet so as to miss most of the traffic on the roads. We use less electricity, gas and water than anyone who stays in a hotel.

It is certainly cheaper to camp under canvass, a fact that no one can deny. It's just that loads of people who enjoy camping want a bit more comfort and convenience when they get older. That's why they start caravanning.  

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[tunnie]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

Need to shop around more...

A nice cottage in the Lakes, at peak in June...

For what it costs for the van per year alone, you can stay here for 2 weeks.

Ah but you say, i can go on holiday any time i want.... but lets face it with English weather? no one wants to go on holiday till June, and its all gone by September!

This place sleeps 4, low season £170 a week, peak £470.

So if you want to avoid the peak rush, and busy roads can spend over a month in this place  

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/availability.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&StartDate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&StartDateorig=00:00:00&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN&fromgrid=1

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-gallery.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&startdate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-details.aspx?productid=47750

[miggy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

That will only get you a week away in the hotel YMCA

Wey...Hey......here we go......1 2 3    

[miggy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

Need to shop around more...

A nice cottage in the Lakes, at peak in June...

For what it costs for the van per year alone, you can stay here for 2 weeks.

Ah but you say, i can go on holiday any time i want.... but lets face it with English weather? no one wants to go on holiday till June, and its all gone by September!
This place sleeps 4, low season £170 a week, peak £470.

So if you want to avoid the peak rush, and busy roads can spend over a month in this place  

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/availability.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&StartDate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&StartDateorig=00:00:00&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN&fromgrid=1

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-gallery.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&startdate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-details.aspx?productid=47750

But i go at anytime no matter what the weather...I love it.

Peak season.£470.I can do it for £210 same area
 

You will never convince me and we agree to disagree

[tunnie]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

Errr, No.  :-/

Exactly we are talking about UK holidays? Thats what caravans are mainly used for...

Holidays in the far east or west are a differnt kettle of fish

Quite right. For youngsters like you, camping under canvass for a couple of weeks is great. When you get a bit older, and have a family, you want a bit more comfort and some more convenience that you don't get with a tent.

There are definitely cheaper ways of enjoying the UK and Europe than with a caravan as you know Tunnie, from your European adventure last year with the Senator.

I guess what the caravanners are saying is that the objections/prejudice towards caravans is usually unfair and ill informed. Loads of them hitch up in the middle of the night and drive whilst the roads are quiet so as to miss most of the traffic on the roads. We use less electricity, gas and water than anyone who stays in a hotel.

It is certainly cheaper to camp under canvass, a fact that no one can deny. It's just that loads of people who enjoy camping want a bit more comfort and convenience when they get older. That's why they start caravanning.  

Oh don't get me wrong, i love camping.... being outside in the fresh air at night, its fantastic, get a disposable BBQ, cans of larger and whey hey!! Chuck the tent in the boot and off we go.

I could not make the transition to a van, i drove to Nottingham on Sat, no rush, so i stuck the cruise on at 65 mph, after 10 mins i was bored silly, so cruise was stuck on at the usual 80mph....

I think the problem is the people who drive 45mph everyware, and NEVER pull over (yet to see that happen!)

[Golfbuddy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

Need to shop around more...

A nice cottage in the Lakes, at peak in June...

For what it costs for the van per year alone, you can stay here for 2 weeks.

Ah but you say, i can go on holiday any time i want.... but lets face it with English weather? no one wants to go on holiday till June, and its all gone by September!
This place sleeps 4, low season £170 a week, peak £470.

So if you want to avoid the peak rush, and busy roads can spend over a month in this place  

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/availability.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&StartDate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&StartDateorig=00:00:00&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN&fromgrid=1

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-gallery.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&startdate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-details.aspx?productid=47750

But i go at anytime no matter what the weather...I love it.

Peak season.£470.I can do it for £210 same area
 

You will never convince me and we agree to disagree

Don't tell him where you've just been Pete.  

[tunnie]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

Need to shop around more...

A nice cottage in the Lakes, at peak in June...

For what it costs for the van per year alone, you can stay here for 2 weeks.

Ah but you say, i can go on holiday any time i want.... but lets face it with English weather? no one wants to go on holiday till June, and its all gone by September!
This place sleeps 4, low season £170 a week, peak £470.

So if you want to avoid the peak rush, and busy roads can spend over a month in this place  

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/availability.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&StartDate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&StartDateorig=00:00:00&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN&fromgrid=1

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-gallery.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&startdate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-details.aspx?productid=47750

But i go at anytime no matter what the weather...I love it.

Peak season.£470.I can do it for £210 same area
 

You will never convince me and we agree to disagree

You must post up a picture of your megga hitched up to the van, i don't think i have ever seen a bling'd up car with massive alloys pulling a van before!  

Get the sub pounding, head nodding while pulling a van.... everyone else will be WTF?  

[miggy]

As for my consumption - I do tend to keep to road limits when safe, and also I don't slow for hills, the 11mpg was acheived with the aid of lots of hills and a head wind

rather hell..11mpg in the 2.6 whilst towing...................thats it the caravan is going i aint towed with mine as yet, having the tow bar fitted in Feb, but if thats all to expect from the milage.......forget it.

20-30mph head winds, flat out up steep hills, stop start through Truro on LPG - anyway at 45p a litre or so does it matter?

Works out as around 13 on petrol and without the wind is a lot better.

Point is your still getting 11mpg! which is 22mpg petrol costs....

For me this just makes taking a caravan pointless!!

Everyone is banging on about CO2 emmisions, 4x4's that do 25mpg.... no one has mentioned people towing burger vans doing 11mpg!!

Drive to a hotel in a normal car doing 35mpg.... money save on fuel goes toward the hotel bill!

Hmmm, 22 mpg compared to the CO₂ out of the back of a Boeing 747??? No comparison.

Cost of staying at a campsite for 14 nights compared to a hotel??? No comparison.

Carbon footprint of caravanning compared to staying at a hotel with it's 24 hour lighting, air conditioning, heating, refrigeration, laundry??? No comparison.

It is true that some drivers are inconsiderate and hold traffic up. This does not mean that all people who tow caravans are the same. Many of us will pull over, when safe to do so, and allow other traffic to pass.

Caravanning is not for everyone, thank God. Just as playing computer games is not for everyone. Just as driving everywhere at illegal speeds is not for everyone. Just as a lot of other things are not for everyone.

We caravanners are quite happy to be the butt of the joke but lets not lose sight of the facts.  

 

You take a Boeing 747 on your UK Holidays?

Errr, No.  :-/

Exactly we are talking about UK holidays? Thats what caravans are mainly used for...

Holidays in the far east or west are a differnt kettle of fish

Quite right. For youngsters like you, camping under canvass for a couple of weeks is great. When you get a bit older, and have a family, you want a bit more comfort and some more convenience that you don't get with a tent.

There are definitely cheaper ways of enjoying the UK and Europe than with a caravan as you know Tunnie, from your European adventure last year with the Senator.

I guess what the caravanners are saying is that the objections/prejudice towards caravans is usually unfair and ill informed. Loads of them hitch up in the middle of the night and drive whilst the roads are quiet so as to miss most of the traffic on the roads. We use less electricity, gas and water than anyone who stays in a hotel.

It is certainly cheaper to camp under canvass, a fact that no one can deny. It's just that loads of people who enjoy camping want a bit more comfort and convenience when they get older. That's why they start caravanning.  

Oh don't get me wrong, i love camping.... being outside in the fresh air at night, its fantastic, get a disposable BBQ, cans of larger and whey hey!! Chuck the tent in the boot and off we go.

I could not make the transition to a van, i drove to Nottingham on Sat, no rush, so i stuck the cruise on at 65 mph, after 10 mins i was bored silly, so cruise was stuck on at the usual 80mph....

I think the problem is the people who drive 45mph everyware, and NEVER pull over (yet to see that happen!)

You are deffo right there...but that only accounts for a smal proportion of the amount of caravanners out there.........If we ever meet at a meet I will invite you into our van for a few beers

[MikeDundee]

None of my mates have got a caravan ............come to think of it I don't have any mates?? [smiley=beer.gif]

[miggy]

taking a carvan is great if you like the style of holiday, but what gets me is the saving money aspect & the 'cheap' holidays, because they are just not!!

I have shown above that it costs the same to get to a place in a regular car vs burger van.

Say you go and buy a brand new caravan costs £10,000....

Sell it in 5 years time for £5,000.... which is more than generous!

Its going to cost you £1,000 per year in depreciation alone!!!

Then you have to store it... £300 a year?

Insure it? £300 a year

Maintain it? Service? £150 a year

So its going to cost you almost £1,800 per year just to have it.....

You can have a lot of holidays in the UK for 1.8k!

Van cost £10,000 in 2002, she would still sell at £7500 now, fact

Storage cost me £120 per year under cover

yearly service cost me £80

Insurance cost me £132 per year

 

So roughly thats £900 a year just to own it.... then you got to pay to get where you going and pay to stay there.

£900 gets a lot of hotel rooms or apartments!

not for 3 people it dont
Whats it cost to own your car...........you could use the buses and trains........no, because its not what you want...

Need to shop around more...

A nice cottage in the Lakes, at peak in June...

For what it costs for the van per year alone, you can stay here for 2 weeks.

Ah but you say, i can go on holiday any time i want.... but lets face it with English weather? no one wants to go on holiday till June, and its all gone by September!
This place sleeps 4, low season £170 a week, peak £470.

So if you want to avoid the peak rush, and busy roads can spend over a month in this place  

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/availability.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&StartDate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&StartDateorig=00:00:00&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN&fromgrid=1

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-gallery.aspx?productid=47750&shortbreaksearch=0&startdate=2008-06-01&Duration=0&fromLateBargainResults=&hvalue=NaN

http://www.cumbrian-cottages.co.uk/property-details.aspx?productid=47750

But i go at anytime no matter what the weather...I love it.

Peak season.£470.I can do it for £210 same area
 

You will never convince me and we agree to disagree

Don't tell him where you've just been Pete.  

And that just prooved my point............I could have done it in the caravan for a third of the price, the only reason i did that was because i aint had a tow bar fitted yet, otherwise it would have been in the van.

[miggy]

None of my mates have got a caravan ............come to think of it I don't have any mates?? [smiley=beer.gif]

Oh sorry to here that Billy