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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #15 on: 30 January 2008, 21:47:05 »

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Think I will leave well alone and just stick the new dizzy on;D

Stick to the baking mate. You'll feel better in the kitchen.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #16 on: 30 January 2008, 21:48:25 »

The dizzys are known to cause problems to so when you fit the new cap, check for play in the main drive when the rotor arm is removed.
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #17 on: 30 January 2008, 21:51:57 »

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The dizzys are known to cause problems to so when you fit the new cap, check for play in the main drive when the rotor arm is removed.

You make these Rangies sound a bag of s*** ;D
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #18 on: 30 January 2008, 21:55:05 »

Just to clear something up then, if the distributor body was not in the correct place ( I hadn't marked it, which I have :)) then would the rotor arm still be firing on the right plugs? or does the rotor arm move with the body?
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #19 on: 30 January 2008, 21:57:24 »

Body mves but rotor stays where it is, this is how the ignition timing is set
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #20 on: 30 January 2008, 22:01:18 »

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Body mves but rotor stays where it is, this is how the ignition timing is set

So how do i know then that it was in the correct place before I marked it? if it was slightly advanced or retarded? do i need a timing light for that?
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #21 on: 30 January 2008, 22:02:49 »

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Body mves but rotor stays where it is, this is how the ignition timing is set

So how do i know then that it was in the correct place before I marked it? if it was slightly advanced or retarded? do i need a timing light for that?
If the timing is done by moving dizzy, then yes.  Not sure of the setup on that motor.  Some have dizzys, but all timing done electronically
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #22 on: 30 January 2008, 22:08:50 »

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Body mves but rotor stays where it is, this is how the ignition timing is set

So how do i know then that it was in the correct place before I marked it? if it was slightly advanced or retarded? do i need a timing light for that?
If the timing is done by moving dizzy, then yes.  Not sure of the setup on that motor.  Some have dizzys, but all timing done electronically

I see what you mean, but the distributor body is held in position by a clamp, which would allow you to move it 180 degrees and then tighten it up again if you see what i mean..
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #23 on: 30 January 2008, 22:14:35 »

If you're only replacing the cap surely the body of the distributor (the position of which sets the timing) dosn't have to be disturbed? If it's loose and can be turned by hand it needs to be set correctly and secured in that position.

The cap is usually keyed so it will only go on in one position, and then you just have to make sure you got all the leads on in the same positions as they were on the old cap.

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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #24 on: 30 January 2008, 22:18:14 »

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If you're only replacing the cap surely the body of the distributor (the position of which sets the timing) dosn't have to be disturbed? If it's loose and can be turned by hand it needs to be set correctly and secured in that position.

The cap is usually keyed so it will only go on in one position, and then you just have to make sure you got all the leads on in the same positions as they were on the old cap.

I have just done the head gaskets, the alternator and power steering pump have to be unbolted of the n/s head. To get at one of the bolts i had to turn the dizzy body as the ignition module was in the way, so i marked it before moving it. It just crossed my mind, was it right beforehand.

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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #25 on: 30 January 2008, 22:30:17 »

I thought with the title, this was going to be a thread about Funeral Homes  ;D
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #26 on: 30 January 2008, 22:31:15 »

Ahh, ok. Didn't realise you were doing major surgery. In that case, you also need to make sure that the distributor shaft meshes properly with the drive gear when reassembling, so that it is in the correct location relative to the engine, otherwise the marking you made will not correspond to the correct timing.

Does this engine have points in the distributor or an electronic setup?

.. and if it's been apart it might be worth finding something that will engage with the oil pump drive on the lower end of the distributor shaft and give it a whizz on an electric drill until you get oil pressure before refitting the dizzy just in case the pump priming issue that Mark mentioned rears its' ugly head.

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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #27 on: 30 January 2008, 22:33:18 »

Just re-read your post and ifyou haven't removed the dizzy, just turn it back to where it was and ignore my last post entirely  ::) since the mesh of the drive gear won't have been disturbed.

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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #28 on: 30 January 2008, 22:42:58 »

I have had a brainless manager telling me what to do so I am so happy we have clever guys on this forum ;D

No didn't remove the dizzy just turned it, but i did mark it beforehand..  But a few months ago the tick over wasn't quite right, it was a bit slow, so i altered the tick over screw which lifted the tick over.
But I wondered tonight if the timing could have been out slightly when we got the car, it goes well and doesn't pink so i would think it more than likely is right.........  
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Re: Top dead Centre
« Reply #29 on: 30 January 2008, 22:48:54 »

It'd be worth checking the timing with a strobe once it's up and running, especially as you're relying on markings. Also check for play as Mark said. If there's a bit of jitter in the timing it might be why the idle has deteriorated.

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