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[Ziad]

Hi guys,

just a quick question:

When i put in CD in the changer and start to listen to them, the CD plays for around 5- 10 secs, stops playing. Then it can start resume playing after around a minute or so. Sometimes, the CD playing does not resume at all and i get a CD error on the multi information display. Any ideas? :question

Note that the CDs play well in my BMW and Armada though!

Thanks

[KillerWatt]

Got the same problem on discs that I had recorded myself, cured it by swapping to a different brand (Taiyo Yuden).

[TheBoy]

Hi guys,

just a quick question:

When i put in CD in the changer and start to listen to them, the CD plays for around 5- 10 secs, stops playing. Then it can start resume playing after around a minute or so. Sometimes, the CD playing does not resume at all and i get a CD error on the multi information display. Any ideas? :question

Note that the CDs play well in my BMW and Armada though!

Thanks

Does sound a little like the laser is on its last legs, particularly if its had a life of playing CDRs  

[TheBoy]

Got the same problem on discs that I had recorded myself, cured it by swapping to a different brand (Taiyo Yuden).

Quality media (I tend to use Verbatim, as there is less 'fake' brand ones than for TY) burned at slowest speed possible **may** help prolong laser life, but will still ultimately knacker the laser on these units  

[KillerWatt]

Got the same problem on discs that I had recorded myself, cured it by swapping to a different brand (Taiyo Yuden).

Quality media (I tend to use Verbatim, as there is less 'fake' brand ones than for TY) burned at slowest speed possible **may** help prolong laser life, but will still ultimately knacker the laser on these units  

Before I swapped over to TY, I was using Philips CD-R's...and I got more read errors when I burned at 4x than what I did when I burned at 10x.
Same happens on our Xbox360 that is fitted with a Sammy MS28. If I burn at 2.4x then the disc will glitch occasionally, burn at 4x and they read perfectly (Verbs only used).

The theory you subscribe to (slower the speed, the better the burn) was definately true 10 years or so ago, but these days I just let the burner analyse the disc and make it's own mind up as to what speed it thinks is best.

[TheBoy]

Got the same problem on discs that I had recorded myself, cured it by swapping to a different brand (Taiyo Yuden).

Quality media (I tend to use Verbatim, as there is less 'fake' brand ones than for TY) burned at slowest speed possible **may** help prolong laser life, but will still ultimately knacker the laser on these units  

Before I swapped over to TY, I was using Philips CD-R's...and I got more read errors when I burned at 4x than what I did when I burned at 10x.
Same happens on our Xbox360 that is fitted with a Sammy MS28. If I burn at 2.4x then the disc will glitch occasionally, burn at 4x and they read perfectly (Verbs only used).

The theory you subscribe to (slower the speed, the better the burn) was definately true 10 years or so ago, but these days I just let the burner analyse the disc and make it's own mind up as to what speed it thinks is best.

It was a generalisation, but still mostly holds true, particularly for CDRs.

Plenty of tools on tinterweb to check burn quality if people want to test their own setup.

My preferred writer is a really old Pioneer (think its a 108 from memory, certainly from that era). I'm guessing, due to age, for DVD media its using a default strategy, rather than an optimised one, but it still does an excellent job.


But the main point of my post was if you use CDRs in these changers, you will prematurely knacker your changer.

[Ziad]

Hi guys,

just a quick question:

When i put in CD in the changer and start to listen to them, the CD plays for around 5- 10 secs, stops playing. Then it can start resume playing after around a minute or so. Sometimes, the CD playing does not resume at all and i get a CD error on the multi information display. Any ideas? :question

Note that the CDs play well in my BMW and Armada though!

Thanks

Does sound a little like the laser is on its last legs, particularly if its had a life of playing CDRs  

Well, when the CD itself is playing TB, the sound is wonderful. That's what gets at me. It's not as if the laser was nearing the end of its life. I know for a fact that the previous owner (I am the 2nd owner) has NEVER played any CDs through this unit! Any other suggestions? By the way, I use Sony CDs to write my own song compilations (but at 48X  ). Anyway, why do you say that these CDs (even if burned at a slow speed) will knacker the laser on CCRT 2008 head unit?

[KillerWatt]

It was a generalisation, but still mostly holds true, particularly for CDRs.

I wasn't knocking your theory, I subscribe to it myself.

My preferred writer is a really old Pioneer (think its a 108 from memory, certainly from that era). I'm guessing, due to age, for DVD media its using a default strategy, rather than an optimised one, but it still does an excellent job.

I've always had Pioneer, my first one was the A03 and it cost £800.
Write speed was 2x, and only with compatible media that was £10 a go. It didn't take long for the cheap media to appear, although this would only write at 1x and, quite frankly, was next to useless.

I use a DVR-216 for day to day DVD burning which I replace around every 4-5 months or so (because I knock the bollock$ out of them), and I have a BDR-203 for when I'm duping Blu-ray.

But the main point of my post was if you use CDRs in these changers, you will prematurely knacker your changer.

I'm pretty sure (although I guess nobody will ever prove it) that the manufacturers back then would purposely manufacture the changers so that reading CD-R media was very difficult.
I'm sure it wouldn't take much to tweak the laser bias to get it reading pretty much any sort of disc without any problems.

Newer head units of course don't suffer these problems, because the manufacturers have finally cottoned on to the fact that the end user wants CD-R compatibility at the very least when purchasing.

[KillerWatt]

Well, when the CD itself is playing TB, the sound is wonderful. That's what gets at me. It's not as if the laser was nearing the end of its life.

Quick lesson in digital electronics.....it either works or it doesn't....there is no "in-between" as you would get with analogue.

Any other suggestions? By the way,

As I said above, try different (decent) media.

I use Sony CDs to write my own song compilations (but at 48X  ).

F**k me, even I wouldn't contemplate a 48x burn (not that your drive actually reaches that speed anyway).

Anyway, why do you say that these CDs (even if burned at a slow speed) will knacker the laser on CCRT 2008 head unit?

He says it because the laser works a lot harder trying to read a CD-R than what it will a "pressed silver" (aka, a retail CD).

[Ziad]

break then! You have to buy original CDs for listening to nice songs then. I think i'll have a go with the lens cleaner again, just to make sure the lens is clean and check with some original CDs.

[KillerWatt]

break then! You have to buy original CDs for listening to nice songs then.

No you don't, read what I wrote above.
Buy quality media that uses a decent dye, slow your burning speed down, and make sure your recording software is actually burning the disc to Red Book standards.

Brief rundown of the standards you should be adhering to:

Maximum playing time of disc is 74 minutes (including the pauses between tracks).
Minimum duration for a track is 2 seconds.
Maximum number of tracks is 99

Stick to that and you won't go far wrong.

[Ziad]

break then! You have to buy original CDs for listening to nice songs then.

No you don't, read what I wrote above.
Buy quality media that uses a decent dye, slow your burning speed down, and make sure your recording software is actually burning the disc to Red Book standards.

Brief rundown of the standards you should be adhering to:

Maximum playing time of disc is 74 minutes (including the pauses between tracks).
Minimum duration for a track is 2 seconds.
Maximum number of tracks is 99

Stick to that and you won't go far wrong.

Alright. I'll surely give it a try then. I shall update later after i do a test CD  

Thanks mate  

[TheBoy]

break then! You have to buy original CDs for listening to nice songs then.

No you don't, read what I wrote above.
Buy quality media that uses a decent dye, slow your burning speed down, and make sure your recording software is actually burning the disc to Red Book standards.

Brief rundown of the standards you should be adhering to:

Maximum playing time of disc is 74 minutes (including the pauses between tracks).
Minimum duration for a track is 2 seconds.
Maximum number of tracks is 99

Stick to that and you won't go far wrong.

Problem lies in that any CDR will not meet the original specs on pit sizes, thus the laser (or more precisely its focusing) is operating beyond its own spec, leading to premature failure. It would appear that quality media and a quality burn may improve things, though not necessarily overcome it.

[Dave DND]

These units are not CDR/RW compatable and were designed and manufactured long before CDR`s were commonplace.

The strain on the laser reading the smaller pit sizes will kill it very quickly.

There was quite an in depth discussion on this a while back, maybe someone can point back to the thread?

[Ziad]

Right Dave. I'll probably make use of the Search TAB then to find the other thread.  

In any case, you won't believe it!  

I did what killerwatt told me to do, and hey, presto! my copies work FLAWLESSLY! Damn! i could not believe it.

Anyway Dave, do you know of any stereo I can straight swap a CCRT 2008 for (obviously, i want one which plays CDRs and with which i can keep the use of the MID and steering controls)