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[berkin]

Hi, I own a 2000 model 2.5 v6. The sound system has a cd-changer with a 4 cd cartridge.

Does anyone know if there is a way to burn tracks on a recordable cd and make it compatible to the player. I have tried several times and the cd-player doesn't see the discs.

By the way there is no problem with the player. It just works fine with the original cd albums bought.

Cheers
Berkin

[VXL V6]

You can burn a CD-R and play it but expect the laser on your autochanger to die after a couple of months if it's one of the facelift units with a 4 disc changer.

[berkin]

Yes it's that version facelift.

Thanks a lot.

Berkin

[Dave DND]

Vauxhall head units are NOT compatable with recordable media, if you trawl back over previous posts, you wills ee some detailed explanations as to why not.

 

[KillerWatt]

Hi, I own a 2000 model 2.5 v6. The sound system has a cd-changer with a 4 cd cartridge.

Does anyone know if there is a way to burn tracks on a recordable cd and make it compatible to the player. I have tried several times and the cd-player doesn't see the discs.

By the way there is no problem with the player. It just works fine with the original cd albums bought.

Cheers
Berkin

You want decent media (ie, Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden), and don't burn any faster than 10x.

Regarding so called damage being caused to the head unit by using CD-R media, mine (CCR 2006) has been playing CD-R media for the last 3 years, and it still plays it quite happily today.

What software are you using to create the disc, and what discs are you using?

[Dave DND]

Hi, I own a 2000 model 2.5 v6. The sound system has a cd-changer with a 4 cd cartridge.

Does anyone know if there is a way to burn tracks on a recordable cd and make it compatible to the player. I have tried several times and the cd-player doesn't see the discs.

By the way there is no problem with the player. It just works fine with the original cd albums bought.

Cheers
Berkin

You want decent media (ie, Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden), and don't burn any faster than 10x.

Regarding so called damage being caused to the head unit by using CD-R media, mine (CCR 2006) has been playing CD-R media for the last 3 years, and it still plays it quite happily today.

What software are you using to create the disc, and what discs are you using?

Before flooding this post with "Mine plays it ok" remember that these players were out long before CDR`s were, and the spec of them is wildly different. Just because yours plays, doesn`t mean that it should, and beleive me, damage is being caused by the laser straining to read the incompatable media format. Please have a look at the previous discussions regarding this topic, pit sizes, and layer specs, and you will see that it has been discussed and reported in exceptional detail.

 

[KillerWatt]

Well I don't know how long the 2006 has been out, but CD-R has been around since at least 1995 (I have the first disc I ever burnt and it still works today).
Since then we have come quite a way, and if you buy decent media then the performance characteristics are as near to pressed silver as it's ever going to get.

I have read several topics on CD-R allegedly breaking the physical hardware, but to be honest Dave, if that does happen then I won't lose any sleep over it because it will only cost a couple of hundred to replace it with something a bit more modern.

[Dave DND]

Well I don't know how long the 2006 has been out, but CD-R has been around since at least 1995 (I have the first disc I ever burnt and it still works today).
Since then we have come quite a way, and if you buy decent media then the performance characteristics are as near to pressed silver as it's ever going to get.

I have read several topics on CD-R allegedly breaking the physical hardware, but to be honest Dave, if that does happen then I won't lose any sleep over it because it will only cost a couple of hundred to replace it with something a bit more modern.

Yes, CDR has been around on computers for many years, but didn`t hit the in car market until around 2000, and wasn`t taken up as OEM fitment by Vauxhall until 2004.

CDR is NOT the same format as regular Audio CD, and although some older units with good lasers will see the disc, they will strain to see the smaller format as used for computer data. You are correct though, there are loads of articles on the net about laser destruction through the repeated use of CDR`s and yet still no-one listens.

Yes, we have come a long way, and modern sets have no troubles, but a 10+ year old stereo is still never going to be compatable, just because things have moved forwards is it?

 

[zirk]

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

[Dave DND]

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

   

[KillerWatt]

CDR is NOT the same format as regular Audio CD, and although some older units with good lasers will see the disc, they will strain to see the smaller format as used for computer data.

CD-R is a media type Dave, not a format. It doesn't matter what is on the disc, only that it is recorded correctly if you want it to work.

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

[Dave DND]

CDR is NOT the same format as regular Audio CD, and although some older units with good lasers will see the disc, they will strain to see the smaller format as used for computer data.

CD-R is a media type Dave, not a format. It doesn't matter what is on the disc, only that it is recorded correctly if you want it to work.

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

No - you are mistaken.

Disc media may appear similar to the eye, but construction and format are also very very different.

[KillerWatt]

CDR is NOT the same format as regular Audio CD, and although some older units with good lasers will see the disc, they will strain to see the smaller format as used for computer data.

CD-R is a media type Dave, not a format. It doesn't matter what is on the disc, only that it is recorded correctly if you want it to work.

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

No - you are mistaken.

Disc media may appear similar to the eye, but construction and format are also very very different.

I'd beg to differ Dave.
Media type is just that (eg, CD-R, CD-RW), while the format is the standard (Red book, Green book, Orange book, etc) used during the writing process.

I'm not disputing that one make of CD-R will perform differently from another because there is some real cheap crap out there, that's why I told the OP to buy decent media and make sure he is recording the disc in the format the 2006 can read (CD-DA in this case).

[Dave DND]

Media types are different, and will allow the writing in different formats yes, but the media format used for writing computer data is a completely different format to that for used for Audio. The pit spacings and sizes are a completely different format. The discs that are commonly known as CDR`s are computer data discs, NOT audio discs. There are some specifically designed CDR Audio discs out there, but as yet, we have not compiled any data as to their suitability. My friends at Sony technical (who make them) are also open minded.

If you have a copy of the Red, Green or Orange books, I suggest to open them up, have a read and you will see.

[TheBoy]

CDR is NOT the same format as regular Audio CD, and although some older units with good lasers will see the disc, they will strain to see the smaller format as used for computer data.

CD-R is a media type Dave, not a format. It doesn't matter what is on the disc, only that it is recorded correctly if you want it to work.

Killerwatt, if you ask Dave nicely, He's got a Warehouse full of confiscated Bose units He'll let you have a lot cheaper.

No - you are mistaken.

Disc media may appear similar to the eye, but construction and format are also very very different.

I'd beg to differ Dave.
Media type is just that (eg, CD-R, CD-RW), while the format is the standard (Red book, Green book, Orange book, etc) used during the writing process.

I'm not disputing that one make of CD-R will perform differently from another because there is some real cheap crap out there, that's why I told the OP to buy decent media and make sure he is recording the disc in the format the 2006 can read (CD-DA in this case).

In laymans terms, consider the cdr format to be a bit like an old fashioned low level format (before intelligent drives came along).  If the drive cannot read this, whether for physical or firmware reasons, it don't matter what format you put on top, the drive will struggle.


As it happens, redbook defines the 'low level format' specs, and cdrs do NOT meet it.

Often a drive can read it physically (just), then obviously the firmware can sort out the 'Audio CD' format part.

The problem comes when older drives, such as all factory fit Omega ones, are barely able to get the focus right on the smaller 'pits', putting extra strain (outside of original design) on the laser focussing, and killing the laser.  Phillips lasers seem particularly prone.


I too have had much success with cdrs, but I see an awful lot of NCDC series (as I'm able to decode/depair) with buggered lasers.  I suspect Dave DND sees an awful lot more, seeing as its what he does


I try to use originals now, both in the omega (cdc3 changer) and the rover (Philips rc026?), but if i do use a cdr, I do concur on quality media, and 1x burn (yes i still have a pioneer that can 1x cdr). no idea if it makes a difference, and certainly the rover's changer is failing again