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Kevin Wood

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Re: broadband speed
« Reply #45 on: 19 February 2008, 09:21:50 »

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Remember, you pay for the bandwidth of the pipe (i.e. 8mb), at no point do they commit to actualy send 8mb down said pipe....

Yea, but the Vodafone Broadband Signal comes through the window! from the nearest Radio Site, so if they tell you its XYZ Mbps then it should be XYZ.

Makes no odds, the radio setups do much the same as wifi, they back the speed off as the signal quality drops (BER rises).

No, sorry disagree, The whole idea of, when it was lanched GPRS (2.5G, 56kbps) was it was a Radio signal version of ISDN, so you ever get it or not. when 3G was lanched (384kbps) it was on a different carrier signal, so again you get it or you revert back to 2.5G (56kbps). Now we have 3.5G (HSDPA) which is a compressed version of 3G but still on a different carrier (Vodafone currently run a Max of 7.2Mbps) but its still Radio ISDN (although they call it Broadband), the point is, that thier advartising 7.2 Mbps but only supplying 3.5 Mbps, if the signal is crap it will revert back to a lower carrier of 3g or worse case gprs (2.5G).

Unlike WiFi which sets its speed on error bit checking which it feels comfortable with.

In all of these scenarios the connection the mobile network provides is packet switched rather than circuit switched so the analogy with ISDN is not quite accurate.

The network is contended and, whilst the network will negotiate a quality of service with you when you establish a session it doesn't allocate any resources to you for the duration of that session, so you are still competing with other users for the bandwidth available to the mobile network. The mobile network is responsible for allocating those resources dynamically and it will do so based on the amount of data queued and the quality of service to which a user is subscribed.

If you encounter bad signal conditions there is no alternative but to back off the bandwidth in order to provide a continued connection and this is achieved not necessarily by dropping back to a different technology but switching to a more robust form of channel coding that adds redundancy and therefore reduces the throughput.

In short, the situation with a mobile "broadband" conenction is just the same as with wired. You are being sold a theoretical throughput and are getting a practical throughput that will be somewhere between zero and the theoretical throughput.

Kevin


Edited to say: Of course, you can have a circuit switched conenction over a mobile network but 99% of internet access through mobile networks is packet switched.
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Re: broadband speed
« Reply #46 on: 19 February 2008, 09:29:53 »

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Remember, you pay for the bandwidth of the pipe (i.e. 8mb), at no point do they commit to actualy send 8mb down said pipe....

Yea, but the Vodafone Broadband Signal comes through the window! from the nearest Radio Site, so if they tell you its XYZ Mbps then it should be XYZ.

Makes no odds, the radio setups do much the same as wifi, they back the speed off as the signal quality drops (BER rises).

No, sorry disagree, The whole idea of, when it was lanched GPRS (2.5G, 56kbps) was it was a Radio signal version of ISDN, so you ever get it or not. when 3G was lanched (384kbps) it was on a different carrier signal, so again you get it or you revert back to 2.5G (56kbps). Now we have 3.5G (HSDPA) which is a compressed version of 3G but still on a different carrier (Vodafone currently run a Max of 7.2Mbps) but its still Radio ISDN (although they call it Broadband), the point is, that thier advartising 7.2 Mbps but only supplying 3.5 Mbps, if the signal is crap it will revert back to a lower carrier of 3g or worse case gprs (2.5G).

Unlike WiFi which sets its speed on error bit checking which it feels comfortable with.

In all of these scenarios the connection the mobile network provides is packet switched rather than circuit switched so the analogy with ISDN is not quite accurate.

The network is contended and, whilst the network will negotiate a quality of service with you when you establish a session it doesn't allocate any resources to you for the duration of that session, so you are still competing with other users for the bandwidth available to the mobile network. The mobile network is responsible for allocating those resources dynamically and it will do so based on the amount of data queued and the quality of service to which a user is subscribed.

If you encounter bad signal conditions there is no alternative but to back off the bandwidth in order to provide a continued connection and this is achieved not necessarily by dropping back to a different technology but switching to a more robust form of channel coding that adds redundancy and therefore reduces the throughput.

In short, the situation with a mobile "broadband" conenction is just the same as with wired. You are being sold a theoretical throughput and are getting a practical throughput that will be somewhere between zero and the theoretical throughput.

Kevin


Edited to say: Of course, you can have a circuit switched conenction over a mobile network but 99% of internet access through mobile networks is packet switched.

Correct.....and the 3G setups in the uk to date are mostly packet based (although not all as it is dependent on what local services are available at the pole!).

You would also be surprised at how small the back haul link is that is provided to the base stations, were not talking Gb's so its quickly eaten into by mobile based broadband.


And then you still have the usual server based bottle neck (which its often the over riding factor)

And, the base station will back your link off, particularly if there are other subscribers of similar priority all contending for bandwidth off the same mast!
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Re: broadband speed
« Reply #47 on: 19 February 2008, 09:36:58 »

Just ran this test with a Vrigin 20 meg connection.

19696 download with a 683 upload.

Seems quite nippy, does that....   :y
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Re: broadband speed
« Reply #48 on: 19 February 2008, 12:43:21 »

6323 down
234 up
37ms ping to maidenhead

well happy with this from orange home  :y
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Re: broadband speed
« Reply #49 on: 19 February 2008, 14:42:44 »

2415 download
381 upload
2mb from orange
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