Installing NCDC2015 + CID & Telematics

[twiglet]

Evening all!

My Omega currently has a NCDC2013 HU with GPS and GID.  I'm about to swap this over for a NCDC2015 with CID & Telematics.  Just a few questions....

1. Do I need to put anything into delivery mode prior to removing the parts, or is that not necessary as I am changing the whole system?
2. Do I have to install any additional looms (for telematics, CID, microphone, etc)?
3. Where is the telematics microphone (on the HU or up on the interior light)?
4. Which mobile networks does the telematics work on?

While I'm at it, I believe that the right-angled gps connector on the cage of the car the 2015 system is coming out of has been damaged...

1. Is the OOf recommended fix for this still to adapt the cage and fit an aftermarket gps antenna? Or has anyone come up with another solution?
2. Is there a method of ensuring this connector doesn't get broken when sliding the HU home?

I think that's enough questions for now...

TIA 

[feeutfo]

1 if it's all paired and original from the previous car, no! It's already done.
2 yes, there is no loom for telemstics in a 2013 car
3 You'll have to fit one in interior light.
4 02 or voda only... Not sure if one of their affiliates will? Guessing not.

Pass on the last 2.

[TheBoy]

1) No - as long as all parts remain together.
2) Yes - easiest to modify an Traffic Master loom rather than butcher the car loom. Some bits can be got from the phone prewiring, but not all.
3) Conference Mic is its full name, sits in interior light.
4) Any 900Mhz GSM - thats O2 and Voda, plus the networks that run on these, such as Tesco Mobile, and my own personal favourite, GiffGaff (which is what I use in my Telematics). If going for the latter, if you sign up using my referral link, you get an extra £5 credit with your first £10 top-up.  http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy


GPS connector.
1) Never found the correct plug that can clip in to cage. When I retrofit NCDC, I use a cheap receiver with the (electrically) correct plug, which I plug in to back of HU before pushing HU back in place, at same time gentley pulling the slack from the cable via one of the footwells.  I can dig out the egay auction for them if thats a route you want to go down.
2) Original connector? Ensure cage isn't distorted, that the connector firmly clips in place.

[twiglet]

Cheers Chris and TB for you usual speedy responses! 

I'm actually buying the complete car with the 2015 system in so, parts wise, I should have everything I need.

is the telematics loom a separate plug-in loom that just runs from the telematics unit to the HU, or is it actually part of the main wiring harness (in which case I assume it's best to swap over the entire harness, if possible)

I'm sure it will become clearer once I have the cars together and start taking the apart, but it's nice to have an idea what I'll be facing!   :-/

[twiglet]

1) No - as long as all parts remain together.
2) Yes - easiest to modify an Traffic Master loom rather than butcher the car loom. Some bits can be got from the phone prewiring, but not all.
3) Conference Mic is its full name, sits in interior light.
4) Any 900Mhz GSM - thats O2 and Voda, plus the networks that run on these, such as Tesco Mobile, and my own personal favourite, GiffGaff (which is what I use in my Telematics). If going for the latter, if you sign up using my referral link, you get an extra £5 credit with your first £10 top-up.  http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy


GPS connector.
1) Never found the correct plug that can clip in to cage. When I retrofit NCDC, I use a cheap receiver with the (electrically) correct plug, which I plug in to back of HU before pushing HU back in place, at same time gentley pulling the slack from the cable via one of the footwells.  I can dig out the egay auction for them if thats a route you want to go down.2) Original connector? Ensure cage isn't distorted, that the connector firmly clips in place.

Is it this one? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMB-Male-GPS-Antenna-Active-Amplifier-2M-Cable-/230526593445?pt=UK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET&hash=item35ac74a9a5

[TheBoy]

Cheers Chris and TB for you usual speedy responses! 

I'm actually buying the complete car with the 2015 system in so, parts wise, I should have everything I need.

is the telematics loom a separate plug-in loom that just runs from the telematics unit to the HU, or is it actually part of the main wiring harness (in which case I assume it's best to swap over the entire harness, if possible)

I'm sure it will become clearer once I have the cars together and start taking the apart, but it's nice to have an idea what I'll be facing!   :-/

Its a different dash loom, you stand precise no chance of unpicking that

But, if you're breaking the car, which I suspect you are if its the one I think it is, you'll have plenty of scope to get the required plugs and have access to plenty of bits of wire.  See Lazydockers thread about telematics, as it shows how to fit in via TrafficMaster loom

[TheBoy]

1) No - as long as all parts remain together.
2) Yes - easiest to modify an Traffic Master loom rather than butcher the car loom. Some bits can be got from the phone prewiring, but not all.
3) Conference Mic is its full name, sits in interior light.
4) Any 900Mhz GSM - thats O2 and Voda, plus the networks that run on these, such as Tesco Mobile, and my own personal favourite, GiffGaff (which is what I use in my Telematics). If going for the latter, if you sign up using my referral link, you get an extra £5 credit with your first £10 top-up.  http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/theboy


GPS connector.
1) Never found the correct plug that can clip in to cage. When I retrofit NCDC, I use a cheap receiver with the (electrically) correct plug, which I plug in to back of HU before pushing HU back in place, at same time gentley pulling the slack from the cable via one of the footwells.  I can dig out the egay auction for them if thats a route you want to go down.2) Original connector? Ensure cage isn't distorted, that the connector firmly clips in place.

Is it this one? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMB-Male-GPS-Antenna-Active-Amplifier-2M-Cable-/230526593445?pt=UK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET&hash=item35ac74a9a5

Thats the very one, from the same company (assuming its SMB Male - I always get confused between NCDC and CARiN, one is male, other is female)

[twiglet]

Cheers Chris and TB for you usual speedy responses! 

I'm actually buying the complete car with the 2015 system in so, parts wise, I should have everything I need.

is the telematics loom a separate plug-in loom that just runs from the telematics unit to the HU, or is it actually part of the main wiring harness (in which case I assume it's best to swap over the entire harness, if possible)

I'm sure it will become clearer once I have the cars together and start taking the apart, but it's nice to have an idea what I'll be facing!   :-/

Its a different dash loom, you stand precise no chance of unpicking that

But, if you're breaking the car, which I suspect you are if its the one I think it is, you'll have plenty of scope to get the required plugs and have access to plenty of bits of wire.  See Lazydockers thread about telematics, as it shows how to fit in via TrafficMaster loom

Sorry if I'm being a bit thick, but can you explain a bit more please?

Yes I do plan to break the car (and I'm sure it is the one you think it is).  I've been reading LD's thread, but from what I can tell he already has telematics as standard.  It's quite a long thread now, so maybe I'm missing the important bit that's relevant.  As far as I know, neither car has TrafficMaster installed, but I assume from what you're saying is the TM loom will be there anyway?

Confused.com...  :-/

[Lazydocker]

Yes I do plan to break the car (and I'm sure it is the one you think it is).  I've been reading LD's thread, but from what I can tell he already has telematics as standard.  It's quite a long thread now, so maybe I'm missing the important bit that's relevant.  As far as I know, neither car has TrafficMaster installed, but I assume from what you're saying is the TM loom will be there anyway?

Confused.com...  :-/

You won't have the TM loom already, you need to get one. What he's saying is that the TM Loom is the best place to make connections required as then you minimise the damage to the car loom and also you can do it on the bench

I might have to come up and look at this breaker... There's a few annoying little plastic clips I need

[RobG]

...........and if you need a TM loom http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1308163185

[twiglet]

...........and if you need a TM loom http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1308163185

Rob, can you hold that for me please? I'll be able to confirm that I need it very soon. 

[twiglet]

Yes I do plan to break the car (and I'm sure it is the one you think it is).  I've been reading LD's thread, but from what I can tell he already has telematics as standard.  It's quite a long thread now, so maybe I'm missing the important bit that's relevant.  As far as I know, neither car has TrafficMaster installed, but I assume from what you're saying is the TM loom will be there anyway?

Confused.com...  :-/

You won't have the TM loom already, you need to get one. What he's saying is that the TM Loom is the best place to make connections required as then you minimise the damage to the car loom and also you can do it on the bench

I might have to come up and look at this breaker... There's a few annoying little plastic clips I need

I'll give you a shout when it arrives then...    But only if you help me install my telematics... 

[albitz]

But he has to come to me first for some other clips and bitz (and help me install "My Naff Code Reader" software and have a look at my Bose unit.)

[RobG]

...........and if you need a TM loom http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1308163185

Rob, can you hold that for me please? I'll be able to confirm that I need it very soon. 

Consider it done

[twiglet]

But he has to come to me first for some other clips and bitz (and help me install "My Naff Code Reader" software and have a look at my Bose unit.)

I shall form an orderly queue then! 

Must be nice to be so popular, hey Paul!