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[maria]

The trouble is .. no one is licenced, tested or even taught how to be a parent - anyone can do it.

In times past "young parents" learned the rules from their parents/grandparents etc etc, nowadays so many people either live alone, don't communicate, or think they know better.. that the basics just aren't done.

Just think what  things will be like in 10 years time when the present bunch become parents ??  All they know is computers/facebook/bebo ...they won't have a clue how to be a parent.

its happening now to some degree kids bringing up kids

That's so true and its a shame that there parents say its OK to be one at the age of 12 or 13 and that is so wrong they don't have a bloody glue how to look after a child at that age let alone there self but most 12 yrs old are growing up to fast i think these days, I wouldn't want any of my girls being a mum at the age of 12 or 13   but my older one is 18 now even though i wouldn't want her too be a mum and ruin her life

[zippo]

The trouble is .. no one is licenced, tested or even taught how to be a parent - anyone can do it.

In times past "young parents" learned the rules from their parents/grandparents etc etc, nowadays so many people either live alone, don't communicate, or think they know better.. that the basics just aren't done.

Just think what  things will be like in 10 years time when the present bunch become parents ??  All they know is computers/facebook/bebo ...they won't have a clue how to be a parent.

its happening now to some degree kids bringing up kids

That's so true and its a shame that there parents say its OK to be one at the age of 12 or 13 and that is so wrong they don't have a bloody glue how to look after a child at that age let alone there self but most 12 yrs old are growing up to fast i think these days, I wouldn't want any of my girls being a mum at the age of 12 or 13   but my older one is 18 now even though i wouldn't want her too be a mum and ruin her life

a friend of mine had a baby at 18 in retrospect she thinks that they both grew up together so that made their bond stronger but she admits that she missed out on a lot

[Vamps]

A tragic and worrying situation for the parents, regardless of level of supervision, there will be time for that later.

This is not the same as the McCann’s I know of people charged with neglect for less, they got away because of their so called ‘position’ in society.

“the actual coach that returned her and her classmates after their swimming lesson last Tuesday”. This may be a school bus dropping kids off, I don’t know, so we have to be careful not to judge without all the facts.

And kids having kids having kids, now 3rd generation, don’t even go there.

[Golfbuddy]

Ok, some statistics to balance the perception with the facts. It remains a fact that children are very unlikely to be the subject of an abduction. Millions of children are out, unaccompanied, every day and come to no harm whatsoever.

"Stranger successful child abductions In 2002/03 there were 59 cases involving a stranger successfully abducting a child or children, resulting in 68 victims/offences (9% of all child abductions recorded).
• The average age of these victims was ten years, the same as the victims of stranger attempted abductions.
• 54% of the victims were female.
• 74% of victims (n=39) were white, 17% (n=9) were black, 8% (n=4) were Asian, and one victim’s ethnic appearance was coded as ‘other’.
None of these offences involved the victim being taken overseas. In all offences where information was available (63% of the stranger successful offences) the abducted child was recovered within 24 hours of being taken. There was no information as to when the remaining 25 victims were recovered. In most offences, insufficient details were available to code the motive for the offence reliably.
However, in 12 offences (19%) it was clear the motive was sexual. Two victims were subjected to a serious sexual assault; in the remaining ten offences it was not clear (from the information collected) how serious the sexual component of the offence had been."

Source: Home Office. Findings. Child abduction: understanding police recorded crime statistics.

[Vamps]

Not appropriate given the seriousness of this thread. imho

[Golfbuddy]

Not appropriate given the seriousness of this thread. imho

How can it not be appropriate to provide some statistics in an effort to balance the arguement?

PM sent.

[smoothomega]

Not appropriate given the seriousness of this thread. imho

How can it not be appropriate to provide some statistics in an effort to balance the arguement?

PM sent.

I really don't see what the problem is here  :-/

[JamesV6CDX]

Not appropriate given the seriousness of this thread. imho

How can it not be appropriate to provide some statistics in an effort to balance the arguement?

PM sent.

I must say, unless I'm missing something, I didn't see anything inappropriate with GB's post...

Media debates like this are bound to attract varied opinions... but can be a good debate when discussed in a constructive way

[DaveyDavey]

Comparing the recent dissapearance of Shannon Matthews to the case of the McCanns - I think is going a bit far.

The McCanns knowingly left their 3 year old daughter and twin two year olds alone in a room whilst they had dinner some distance away - they had done this previously as well. That is negligence of the highest order in my opinion and I think they deserve to suffer for the rest of their lives for it. My sympathy lies only with Madeline (as harsh as that sounds).

Shannon is a 9 year old girl who was catching the bus to and from school and swimming on a regular basis, with no issues in the past. At the age of 9 I was walking to and from school on my own. Lets not be too hasty in judging the parents in this situation and making comparisons to the McCanns.

[JamesV6CDX]

I don't think anyone is making a comparison between the two - the McCanns is just one in many examples of negligent parents.

The purpose of my thread was not really to single out one instance, but to comment on the generalised growing trend that parenting values don't seem to be anywhere near what they were..

[Golfbuddy]

Not appropriate given the seriousness of this thread. imho

How can it not be appropriate to provide some statistics in an effort to balance the arguement?

PM sent.

Sorry, should have added a couple of smillies. I don't want Mike to think I was making light of this matter. PM was merely to explain my point in more detail than was reasonable on open forum.  

[106rallye]

The trouble is .. no one is licenced, tested or even taught how to be a parent - anyone can do it.

In times past "young parents" learned the rules from their parents/grandparents etc etc, nowadays so many people either live alone, don't communicate, or think they know better.. that the basics just aren't done.

Just think what  things will be like in 10 years time when the present bunch become parents ??  All they know is computers/facebook/bebo ...they won't have a clue how to be a parent.

I agree with that one. i think it is the parents of today who have made society what it is (not a very nice place), people are forgetting about natural human instincs when it comes to bringing up childen. Most parents of today seem to want to the thier kids friend rather than a parent. I think the next generation of parents will be much more better as they have seen the mistakes their parents have made.

For example the "its better to drink alcohol in the house than on a street corner" attitude that a lot of parents up here have for 16/17 year old is the biggest load of bull i have ever heard, and this is from experiance!

Give a kid an inch with anything they will take a mile, it a natural instinct that EVERY child has, not something they choose to do. If parents started to look at why kids do things / want to do things rather than what they are doing / want to do the parenting would greatly improve!

The McCanns knowingly left their 3 year old daughter and twin two year olds alone in a room whilst they had dinner some distance away - they had done this previously as well. That is negligence of the highest order in my opinion and I think they deserve to suffer for the rest of their lives for it. My sympathy lies only with Madeline (as harsh as that sounds).

Come on mate did you actually see the distance from when they were eating and where the apartment was? it was the equlivant of sitting in the garden with the kids in the house.