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[Vamps]

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about  

[Bacon Butty Man]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

[TheBoy]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

I'm interested in your findings regarding speed.  The Gecko engine its based on is not considered to be the fastest by a long shot.  IE slows down with all the add-ons that people don't need/want but never disable, but in my experience, still ends up being quicker to retrieve and render a page, moreso with slower links.

The security bit made me chuckle. Firefox has not a good reputation in this area.

[waspy]

I've installed Firefox Beta 3 as a trial.
It's faster than IE 7, so i'll see how i get on with it  :-/

[tunnie]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

I'm interested in your findings regarding speed.  The Gecko engine its based on is not considered to be the fastest by a long shot.  IE slows down with all the add-ons that people don't need/want but never disable, but in my experience, still ends up being quicker to retrieve and render a page, moreso with slower links.

The security bit made me chuckle. Firefox has not a good reputation in this area.

IE is faster in my experiance, but then again i do have a shed ton of extensions installed on firefox.

I find firefox much more customisable, and despite what the boy says, a lot more stable!

It runs like a dog sometimes, but thats usually cause i have 48 tabs open  

I will admit that IE is more secure.... but better? no  

[humbucker]

Firefox is way more standards compliant than IE. IE6 is just about the worst, and many users still use it. IE7 made headway in trying to adhere to the same standards other browsers use but still fell short of the mark. With the release of IE8 there is to be more of a standards compliant framework for code and class interpretation.

Firefox is also the better browser for developers;  the range of open source add-ons for programmers / designers / developers is fantastic and really helps with debugging and building of websites.

IE, however, is in my opinion more user-intuitive. And that's why it's still so popular. And let's not forget it's bundled with every copy of Windows.

The reality of the situation is that all the main browsers (IE, Firefox, Safari) interpret things slightly differently and so developers and designers have to test websites in each browser and code accordingly. It's a bitch but stems back to the lack of any adhering to web standards when the IE / Netscape browser wars started. Companies like Netscape and Microsoft were focussed on developing new features so that their browser didn't look like it was 'falling behind'. The downside to this was that less time was spent on fixing bugs.

Microsoft and Netscape were also very keen to introduce their own proprietary code (such as the awful 'font' / 'marquee' tags etc) without seeking approval from W3C or any other committe, and so didn't concern themselves with alignment with any web standards specifications. In most cases this proved harmful as far as general web standards are concerned and so you now find the web littered with websites that do not validate properly and appear differently in different browsers, and often in the case of IE6 and IE7 different versions of the same browser!!

The sad truth is that we're still a way off all browsers behaving the same way. I'm not talking about 'features' but I mean the core interpretation of code and presentation style. As Microsoft release new versions of their IE browser websites that have displayed properly for a long time suddenly appear broken. It's no fault of the designers, its just the browser companies changing the way their product interprets the data it's fed.

And then you have to ensure it looks the same on all the Mac browsers...

 

[humbucker]

More on the browser wars here for anyone that's interested in the history of this stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_wars

[TheBoy]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

I'm interested in your findings regarding speed.  The Gecko engine its based on is not considered to be the fastest by a long shot.  IE slows down with all the add-ons that people don't need/want but never disable, but in my experience, still ends up being quicker to retrieve and render a page, moreso with slower links.

The security bit made me chuckle. Firefox has not a good reputation in this area.

IE is faster in my experiance, but then again i do have a shed ton of extensions installed on firefox.

I find firefox much more customisable, and despite what the boy says, a lot more stable!

It runs like a dog sometimes, but thats usually cause i have 48 tabs open  

I will admit that IE is more secure.... but better? no  

Only crashes I've had in IE in recent times is with the Flash ActiveX.  Bloody annoying as it closes all 20 open windows (work - have to use IE6) or 20,000,000 tabs in IE7 if I'm at home.

The variety of browsers is an advantage of Windows - pick one that you like.  Most browsers will render reasonably well most pages.  Just don't get sucked in to the 'Firefox is more secure than IE' (or Linux is more secure than Windows) type hype, coz it aint.

[TheBoy]

Firefox is way more standards compliant than IE. IE6 is just about the worst, and many users still use it. IE7 made headway in trying to adhere to the same standards other browsers use but still fell short of the mark. With the release of IE8 there is to be more of a standards compliant framework for code and class interpretation.

Firefox is also the better browser for developers;  the range of open source add-ons for programmers / designers / developers is fantastic and really helps with debugging and building of websites.

IE, however, is in my opinion more user-intuitive. And that's why it's still so popular. And let's not forget it's bundled with every copy of Windows.

The reality of the situation is that all the main browsers (IE, Firefox, Safari) interpret things slightly differently and so developers and designers have to test websites in each browser and code accordingly. It's a bitch but stems back to the lack of any adhering to web standards when the IE / Netscape browser wars started. Companies like Netscape and Microsoft were focussed on developing new features so that their browser didn't look like it was 'falling behind'. The downside to this was that less time was spent on fixing bugs.

Microsoft and Netscape were also very keen to introduce their own proprietary code (such as the awful 'font' / 'marquee' tags etc) without seeking approval from W3C or any other committe, and so didn't concern themselves with alignment with any web standards specifications. In most cases this proved harmful as far as general web standards are concerned and so you now find the web littered with websites that do not validate properly and appear differently in different browsers, and often in the case of IE6 and IE7 different versions of the same browser!!

The sad truth is that we're still a way off all browsers behaving the same way. I'm not talking about 'features' but I mean the core interpretation of code and presentation style. As Microsoft release new versions of their IE browser websites that have displayed properly for a long time suddenly appear broken. It's no fault of the designers, its just the browser companies changing the way their product interprets the data it's fed.

And then you have to ensure it looks the same on all the Mac browsers...

 

I don't blame Netscape or Microsoft - these self appointed beaurocrats were stiffling any developments.  Its not just W3C, but many of the early 'overseers' such as ICANN.

However 'standard' IE8 will be, developers will still have to develop for all browsers.  Every browser will render slightly differently, so tweaking still required. Hopefully will do away with the big bodges though.

But seeing as most sites now are created with CMS, its not a big issue if there are differences.

[cem_devecioglu]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

I'm interested in your findings regarding speed.  The Gecko engine its based on is not considered to be the fastest by a long shot.  IE slows down with all the add-ons that people don't need/want but never disable, but in my experience, still ends up being quicker to retrieve and render a page, moreso with slower links.

The security bit made me chuckle. Firefox has not a good reputation in this area.

IE is faster in my experiance, but then again i do have a shed ton of extensions installed on firefox.

I find firefox much more customisable, and despite what the boy says, a lot more stable!

It runs like a dog sometimes, but thats usually cause i have 48 tabs open  

I will admit that IE is more secure.... but better? no  

Only crashes I've had in IE in recent times is with the Flash ActiveX.  Bloody annoying as it closes all 20 open windows (work - have to use IE6) or 20,000,000 tabs in IE7 if I'm at home.

The variety of browsers is an advantage of Windows - pick one that you like.  Most browsers will render reasonably well most pages.  Just don't get sucked in to the 'Firefox is more secure than IE' (or Linux is more secure than Windows) type hype, coz it aint.

  this the reason why I left IE7 behind !!

[TheBoy]

firefox is faster, more secure, better, faster, securererer, nicer to use quicker, foxier nicer, oh and its faster
i like firefox, mr gates . please please please dont buy mozilla.

I'm interested in your findings regarding speed.  The Gecko engine its based on is not considered to be the fastest by a long shot.  IE slows down with all the add-ons that people don't need/want but never disable, but in my experience, still ends up being quicker to retrieve and render a page, moreso with slower links.

The security bit made me chuckle. Firefox has not a good reputation in this area.

IE is faster in my experiance, but then again i do have a shed ton of extensions installed on firefox.

I find firefox much more customisable, and despite what the boy says, a lot more stable!

It runs like a dog sometimes, but thats usually cause i have 48 tabs open  

I will admit that IE is more secure.... but better? no  

Only crashes I've had in IE in recent times is with the Flash ActiveX.  Bloody annoying as it closes all 20 open windows (work - have to use IE6) or 20,000,000 tabs in IE7 if I'm at home.

The variety of browsers is an advantage of Windows - pick one that you like.  Most browsers will render reasonably well most pages.  Just don't get sucked in to the 'Firefox is more secure than IE' (or Linux is more secure than Windows) type hype, coz it aint.

  this the reason why I left IE7 behind !!

Yup, it annoys me. Can hardly blame IE for a poorly written 3rd party add-in though  

[cem_devecioglu]

problem is HTML,DHTML and all these stuff in coding sucks, they are standards of ancient times with very slow internet connections..

I hope all browser firms agree with a new fast , ready built in object

model interfaces like windows.. Otherwise programmers will continue

to suffer  

[TheBoy]

problem is HTML,DHTML and all these stuff in coding sucks, they are standards of ancient times with very slow internet connections..

I hope all browser firms agree with a new fast , ready built in object

model interfaces like windows.. Otherwise programmers will continue

to suffer  

.NET and AJAX is the way forward.  Of course, that ties you to MS servers, and often, MS servers don't scale as well as unix style ones.

[brett1408]

looks like i've come in quite late on this one but yes fire fox is much better ! used it for ages now and on vista it seems even bettger still !

[humbucker]

Only crashes I've had in IE in recent times is with the Flash ActiveX.  

Do you mean the 'click to activate' nonsense since MS got sued? If so, then there are a couple of javascript workarounds available that work perfectly for any Active X content you want to put into your site.

And you mention a lot of sites being built using a CMS, which is true as more clients become technically-savvy, but you're still faced with the same problems when building a CMS and the corresponding website to house it in the first place.