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[albitz]

Albs, I certainly don't read anything personal in the thread, perhaps you're being a little sensitive

As for a feedback section... I've seen it on a couple of other forums and it has become a horrendous shouting match I wouldn't want to see anything like that on here

"those who are using OOF to make a few quid see it (buying/selling) as the most important part of the site".
I dont see how Im not meant to take  that personally LD,and tbh, found it pretty offensive.I have been a member here for a long time and 99.9% of what I have posted has been nothing to do with selling. I think you and a lot of other people on here can vouch for the fact that im not a money grabber who thinks making a few quid via OOF is remotely close to the top of my priorities.

[paul.lovejoy]

Paul - you make I larf.

oiiiiii thats another £10 and you still owe me a romantic dinner for 2 darling

[twiglet]

I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread. 

Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this! 

Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum.  The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.

Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices.  Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted.  However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team. 

We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF.  If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.

I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!

Something to think about...

[Darth Loo-knee]

I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread. 

Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this! 

Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum.  The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.

Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices.  Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted.  However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team. 

We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF.  If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.

I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!

Something to think about...

I agree that selling parts will not make you a Millionaire  Also offering parts cheaper on the Forum before selling them for more money on ebay is also fair... I know myself that some not all seem to think that because your on the forum they should get the parts virtually for free 

Not sure from my point of view though what this is about .. You have put, "with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team" I don't follow that being honest...

The For Sale Section is a pain, the amount of people sending Pm's to the Admin for this not being delivered, being damaged, can't get in touch with this person etc etc is quiet suprising....
Also sellers are now trying to sell their wares in the Help Section & General Chat etc instead of the Sales Area...Personally if it causes trouble get rid....

Anyone that knows Albs, knows he is a fair & helpful guy I know that myself. Not sure however that whatever was said earlier was meant purely for him  so he could have taken it perhaps the wrong way...

[RobG]

I have to say that I am very disappointed with some of the comments in this thread. 

Firstly, as someone who actively sells parts on OOF, I would like to make it very clear that no-one will ever become a millionaire doing this! 

Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum.  The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.

Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices.  Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted.  However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team. 

We have a new format to the Forum now, and I think now is the time to get things back on track. Not just with the trading section, but right across OOF.  If it doesn't happen soon, the forum will die and it will be too late.

I know there will be many that will deny this is the case, but I also know that there will be many more that will be silently agreeing with me!

Something to think about...

I agree that selling parts will not make you a Millionaire  Also offering parts cheaper on the Forum before selling them for more money on ebay is also fair... I know myself that some not all seem to think that because your on the forum they should get the parts virtually for free 

Not sure from my point of view though what this is about .. You have put, "with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team" I don't follow that being honest...

The For Sale Section is a pain, the amount of people sending Pm's to the Admin for this not being delivered, being damaged, can't get in touch with this person etc etc is quiet suprising....
Also sellers are now trying to sell their wares in the Help Section & General Chat etc instead of the Sales Area...Personally if it causes trouble get rid....

Anyone that knows Albs, knows he is a fair & helpful guy I know that myself. Not sure however that whatever was said earlier was meant purely for him  so he could have taken it perhaps the wrong way...

It`s just as well "sellers" don`t PM the admin/s every time a purchaser reneges. 

[feeutfo]

Well, if we can't talk about the thread in question, what chance has the thread itself got?

I must say I saw the title of this and thought that's just asking for trouble, on both counts, and so it's proved. Easy being wise after and all that but there you go.

Surely those involved can see that admin can't have individuals "using" the forum for personal gain. Now steady, I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it's point to recognize and be wary off, no?

For info I've had great service from all involved, re parts for sale. It's a part of OOF we need IMO.

Now, where did I put those wing mirrors?   

[Kevin Wood]

Secondly, I genuinely believe that having a good supply of good quality, cheap parts is all part of a car forum.  The excellent advice given on OOF is great, but sometimes parts simply have to be replaced.

Agreed.

Personally, I only ever advertise parts on OOF first to give fellow members first dibs, after which I sell them on Ebay at higher prices.  Up until recently, I thought this was what everyone in OOF wanted.  However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to feel that a divide is forming within the forum, with certain members being actively segregated and pushed out by certain members of the admin team. 

I see it the other way round, with items being pushed for sale in all parts of the forum now, often in help threads where the OP is looking for (and has not yet received) help diagnosing a problem, instead of the parts for sale/wanted area where they belong.

Asking for help and being immediately offered umpteen second hand parts before you have diagnosed the problem is no use to anyone.

[albitz]

I can see your point in that regard Kevin ( I had a VERY bad day yesterday) but I still think a can of worms has been opened, because the next time a member who is known to charge for mechanical work posts in a help thread "run it over to me" or" I can sort that for you" etc. someone is going to press the alert moderator button,and it would be hypocritical imo not to enforce it.

[Kevin Wood]

I can see your point in that regard Kevin ( I had a VERY bad day yesterday) but I still think a can of worms has been opened, because the next time a member who is known to charge for mechanical work posts in a help thread "run it over to me" or" I can sort that for you" etc. someone is going to press the alert moderator button,and it would be hypocritical imo not to enforce it.

Agreed. It's an area that needs watching. We wouldn't want the quality of advice on here (which is second to none) being diluted, and I feel it has of late.

I hope today turns out to be a better one.

[TheBoy]

imho, buyjng/selling should be a small part of the site. Obviously, those who are trying to use OOF to make a few quid probably see it as the most important part.

That isnt true, and tbh I find it deeply insulting. 

Don't be so rather sensitive.

For some sellers, it probably is the most important area.

It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I guess anyone who thinks that was an insult, assuming they didn't misread my post, count themselves in that category.

[TheBoy]

Albs, I certainly don't read anything personal in the thread, perhaps you're being a little sensitive

As for a feedback section... I've seen it on a couple of other forums and it has become a horrendous shouting match I wouldn't want to see anything like that on here

"those who are using OOF to make a few quid see it (buying/selling) as the most important part of the site".
I dont see how Im not meant to take  that personally LD,and tbh, found it pretty offensive.I have been a member here for a long time and 99.9% of what I have posted has been nothing to do with selling. I think you and a lot of other people on here can vouch for the fact that im not a money grabber who thinks making a few quid via OOF is remotely close to the top of my priorities.

Albs, if you are going to quote me, at least quote what I say, not make up what I actually posted.

[TheBoy]

but i would rather buy a car or part or get some work done from an OOF member, i think there are more people buying than selling and those sections should not be looked down upon

Hmmm, I'm not sure TheDaddy would agree, having bought a car from a member, take had recently had HG done by another member, only no way were those HG new

[TheBoy]

FFS, I give up. Maybe I see things too black and White.

The trading sections are important and useful. No doubt. Worth the headaches? I say no, Admin Team consensus is yes.

But trading must be kept to trading sections, allowing it into help sections is open to abuse and dealer-style diagnosis.

I count sellers, repairers, tech2 owners all the same, and should he treated the same


Right, I'm off to get some string to restrain toys, as they are on the way out

[feeutfo]

ALBS! Now look what you've done! I'll have to cheer him up with a curry now!


 

[Kevin Wood]

Did somebody mention Curry?

I owe you a curry, actually, Chrisgixer, and a new screwdriver and 3 leg puller. Don't let me forget.