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[TheBoy]

No in fact I will sort a demo for you on Monday

But I can't wait until Monday, so I will pirate your software....


See what I'm driving at now

[Martin_1962]

No in fact I will sort a demo for you on Monday

But I can't wait until Monday, so I will pirate your software....


See what I'm driving at now

I know what you mean - but I use it mainly as a demo facility, I will also admit to downloading software, but I don't care who reads this as some is paid for eg TMPGENC XP and Dolby Digital stuff, my video editing software, however I have quite a bit of image manipulation tools which are shareware, however they are all just for small jobs. (EXIF editor, image resizer ect).

[albitz]

when big companies charge us in rip off britain far more than they charge the rest of the world for their products,then i dont have a problem with taking a little bit back from them.i wouldnt however dream of doing the same from a one man operation,that would seem dishonest.

[Vamps]

Have I missed something? Didn’t all this argument start with cassette recorders, taping vinyl.
Things are just more sophisticated now, you can get all the information / projects etc now off the internet to get a degree, no more need to study.
Access to anything seems to be the way things are going, not sure how you protect the originators of anything, once in the public arena.
 

[Dave-C]

We have software on our works computers that scans for licences... if it's not legit, it deletes it!!!!  

Anyway, perhaps the government could raise some taxes from this little venture....  I think I'll contact Mr Brown...

DC

[Martin_1962]

We have software on our works computers that scans for licences... if it's not legit, it deletes it!!!!  

Anyway, perhaps the government could raise some taxes from this little venture....  I think I'll contact Mr Brown...

DC

I wouldn't trust anything like that - false positives are a risk

[Kevin Wood]

I can't see how this is enforceable, TBH. It's quite legitimate to transfer large amounts of non copyright data across the internet, perhaps encrypted. Are ISPs going to be storing every byte transferred to or from every subscriber, cracking the encryption and then determining if it's legitimate? That's a lot of work. What's in it for them? My quess is that they'll nail a few obvious offenders in high profile cases to show what a great job they're doing and ignore 99.9% of what goes on. Pretty much the current status quo.

P2P is used for a lot of legitimate purposes, such as distributing open source software, even commercial software and updates, so there'll be uproar if they just block it. Illegal transfers of copyright material will go encrypted so they'll never keep up with it, and it'll make it harder than it currently is to detect.

I'm not so sure the music industry are as hard done by as they make out. It's always been necessary to copy their products for personal use on other mediums, and they have chosen to turn a blind eye as the internet has crept up and allowed more widespread sharing than the borrowing and taping of CDs and LPs that used to go on.

Their reluctant response has been to allow online purchase of lame downloads with huge amounts of compression and crippled with DRM so they're less flexible than a CD or, indeed, an illegal rip of a CD at decent quality, yet the cost for such downloads is in the same order of magnitude as a CD.

Personally, I don't think music habits have changed. People listen to a small amount of "copied from my mates" albums, just like they used to in the days of cassette, and if something's decent they'll buy it on CD and use ripped copies on an MP3 player when convenient. A CD is something tangible for your money, at least. Listen to it at home with reasonable sound quality, copy it to another format for use in an MP3 player, and it's something you can be proud to collect, unlike a collection of DRM-crippled 128kbit files on your PC.

Anyone who can think even for a minute that this kind of enforcement is plausible has no understanding of the nature of the internet whatsoever, IMHO.

Kevin

[TheBoy]

We have software on our works computers that scans for licences... if it's not legit, it deletes it!!!!  

Anyway, perhaps the government could raise some taxes from this little venture....  I think I'll contact Mr Brown...

DC

I suspect yours also runs that quiet little util written by my mate that stealthily reports everything thats one there, not just software but unauthorised dial up profiles, games, unauthorised browsers (ie, not IE or Netscape!), who logs on to what and so on...

[TheBoy]

We have software on our works computers that scans for licences... if it's not legit, it deletes it!!!!  

Anyway, perhaps the government could raise some taxes from this little venture....  I think I'll contact Mr Brown...

DC

I wouldn't trust anything like that - false positives are a risk

Not in a business environment.  Its far better to control the PCs and whats on there than not to.  Too many people who think they know things (but don't) can make a mess of the network.  Same reason in most medium size companies, only a few people have workstation admin rights, and certainly users don't.

[TheBoy]

I can't see how this is enforceable, TBH. It's quite legitimate to transfer large amounts of non copyright data across the internet, perhaps encrypted. Are ISPs going to be storing every byte transferred to or from every subscriber, cracking the encryption and then determining if it's legitimate? That's a lot of work. What's in it for them? My quess is that they'll nail a few obvious offenders in high profile cases to show what a great job they're doing and ignore 99.9% of what goes on. Pretty much the current status quo.

P2P is used for a lot of legitimate purposes, such as distributing open source software, even commercial software and updates, so there'll be uproar if they just block it. Illegal transfers of copyright material will go encrypted so they'll never keep up with it, and it'll make it harder than it currently is to detect.

I'm not so sure the music industry are as hard done by as they make out. It's always been necessary to copy their products for personal use on other mediums, and they have chosen to turn a blind eye as the internet has crept up and allowed more widespread sharing than the borrowing and taping of CDs and LPs that used to go on.

Their reluctant response has been to allow online purchase of lame downloads with huge amounts of compression and crippled with DRM so they're less flexible than a CD or, indeed, an illegal rip of a CD at decent quality, yet the cost for such downloads is in the same order of magnitude as a CD.

Personally, I don't think music habits have changed. People listen to a small amount of "copied from my mates" albums, just like they used to in the days of cassette, and if something's decent they'll buy it on CD and use ripped copies on an MP3 player when convenient. A CD is something tangible for your money, at least. Listen to it at home with reasonable sound quality, copy it to another format for use in an MP3 player, and it's something you can be proud to collect, unlike a collection of DRM-crippled 128kbit files on your PC.

Anyone who can think even for a minute that this kind of enforcement is plausible has no understanding of the nature of the internet whatsoever, IMHO.

Kevin

There is some very clever stuff going on on ISP grade stuff that analyses the traffic type within torrents/nntp/etc and likelihood of it being copyright.  I think this is probably the way they will go, storing some of the 'possibly copyright' transfers, and use that as basis.

[qwerty]

Although its a similar argument that was around when AUP/FUP etc came in, ruining the network for those using their connections legally (and very few people can download 50+Gb legally for home use, let alone 100+Gb).

And why do people think they can get stuff without paying?

You're so self righteous! , Is it not wrong to rip off people day in day out with silly high prices for DVD's and Cinema, TV Licence? Why should we pay stupidly high prices for things???

I dont blame anybody downloading things for free. It seems to me the companies that have been making millions out of high priced content are just crying at the loss now. And can you tell me 100% honestly that you or anybody on here havent downloaded something without paying for it?

I will never believe it!

Do you go to church every day, donate to charities, do everything right in life? , NO OF COURSE YOU DONT!!

So stop trying to come across all perfect and judgemental!    

[TheBoy]

Although its a similar argument that was around when AUP/FUP etc came in, ruining the network for those using their connections legally (and very few people can download 50+Gb legally for home use, let alone 100+Gb).

And why do people think they can get stuff without paying?

You're so self righteous! , Is it not wrong to rip off people day in day out with silly high prices for DVD's and Cinema, TV Licence? Why should we pay stupidly high prices for things???

I dont blame anybody downloading things for free. It seems to me the companies that have been making millions out of high priced content are just crying at the loss now. And can you tell me 100% honestly that you or anybody on here havent downloaded something without paying for it?

I will never believe it!

Do you go to church every day, donate to charities, do everything right in life? , NO OF COURSE YOU DONT!!

So stop trying to come across all perfect and judgemental!    

You are certainly misjudging me if you think I think I am perfect or judgemental

Or whiter than white.  I suspect I an better than most when it comes to software licencing and my music collection

But, and this is same argument going back to the uproar around AUP/FUP of 3 or 4 years back, why do so many internet users think its their right to take stuff without paying?

The argument of 'its there own fault, its too expensive' is tosh.  Sony want too much money for their LCD panels, can I take one from the local Sony Shop - after all, Sony make too much money, and they charge UK consumers rip-off prices?

[qwerty]

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[TheBoy]

Although its a similar argument that was around when AUP/FUP etc came in, ruining the network for those using their connections legally (and very few people can download 50+Gb legally for home use, let alone 100+Gb).

And why do people think they can get stuff without paying?

You're so self righteous! , Is it not wrong to rip off people day in day out with silly high prices for DVD's and Cinema, TV Licence? Why should we pay stupidly high prices for things???

I dont blame anybody downloading things for free. It seems to me the companies that have been making millions out of high priced content are just crying at the loss now. And can you tell me 100% honestly that you or anybody on here havent downloaded something without paying for it?

I will never believe it!

Do you go to church every day, donate to charities, do everything right in life? , NO OF COURSE YOU DONT!!

So stop trying to come across all perfect and judgemental!    

You are certainly misjudging me if you think I think I am perfect or judgemental

Or whiter than white.  I suspect I an better than most when it comes to software licencing and my music collection

But, and this is same argument going back to the uproar around AUP/FUP of 3 or 4 years back, why do so many internet users think its their right to take stuff without paying?

The argument of 'its there own fault, its too expensive' is tosh.  Sony want too much money for their LCD panels, can I take one from the local Sony Shop - after all, Sony make too much money, and they charge UK consumers rip-off prices?

And this is not me being judgemental, its to stimulate debate

[TheBoy]

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Oh dear, I had been looking forward to a decent debate  

Come on, even I can think of decent(ish) reasons for downloading such things...