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[Osprey]

It's all well and good raising the speed limit and to some extent I agree. The problem you have though, is although the cars are more capable at higher speeds and stopping quicker, you've still got the same idiots who can't drive properly as it is 

I've lost count the amount of times I've seen articulated lorries restricted to 56mph, having to overtake idiots on the motorway doing 50

I personally think these prats shouldn't be allowed out, let alone on the motorway!!

Its wrong, however, to do what the last government tried, and to legislate to the lowest common demoninator.

TB's manifesto for motorways:
Speed limit 85/65 (dry/wet) for cars, 55 for HGV
Minimum speed limit 70/50 (dry/wet) for cars, (no min for HGV) with matrix signs if weather deemed too bad
On 3 lane motorways, only cars and car derived vans in outside lane. No trailers in outside lane.
No caravans or camper vans. Ever.
Anyone caught hogging middle lane to immediately have to take another test. 2nd offence, death.

For town traffic:
A minimum journey length of 2 miles. That means you can't take little thicko Johnny to school in the car, walk him you lazy fat ugly cow.



Reckon I stand a chance of election?

You'd get my vote for these!

I'd also add a ban on wagons trying to overtake other wagons when they are both on their limiters.  We need some kind of external warning light when wagons hit their limiter anyway.

Trouble with all these rules is they just boil down to driving with your brain in gear and with awareness of others around you, and that ain't about to happen with current attitudes. 
 

[bored bigyin54]

there should be lesson on motorways before the test i done 1 lesson motorway driving in germany its compulsory that u have 1 hour motorway driving my daughter past her test here never been on a motorway and it showed i had to help her how to drive on motorway

[Varche]

It's all well and good raising the speed limit and to some extent I agree. The problem you have though, is although the cars are more capable at higher speeds and stopping quicker, you've still got the same idiots who can't drive properly as it is 

I've lost count the amount of times I've seen articulated lorries restricted to 56mph, having to overtake idiots on the motorway doing 50

I personally think these prats shouldn't be allowed out, let alone on the motorway!!

Its wrong, however, to do what the last government tried, and to legislate to the lowest common demoninator.

TB's manifesto for motorways:
Speed limit 85/65 (dry/wet) for cars, 55 for HGV
Minimum speed limit 70/50 (dry/wet) for cars, (no min for HGV) with matrix signs if weather deemed too bad
On 3 lane motorways, only cars and car derived vans in outside lane. No trailers in outside lane.
No caravans or camper vans. Ever.
Anyone caught hogging middle lane to immediately have to take another test. 2nd offence, death.

For town traffic:
A minimum journey length of 2 miles. That means you can't take little thicko Johnny to school in the car, walk him you lazy fat ugly cow.



Reckon I stand a chance of election?

You'd get my vote for these!

I'd also add a ban on wagons trying to overtake other wagons when they are both on their limiters.  We need some kind of external warning light when wagons hit their limiter anyway.

Trouble with all these rules is they just boil down to driving with your brain in gear and with awareness of others around you, and that ain't about to happen with current attitudes. 
 

Can't agree with you there. I am not an HGV driver but my manifesto would include compulsary experience of other modes of transport. push bike, motorbike, horse, lorry etc. How much time do you lose waiting for one lorry doing 56(limiter) overtaking another doing 50(limiter). 2 minutes? Soon make that up on the open road whereas the lorry driver who may be being paid per drop and not by the hour would take ages to make up not overtaking.

I agree there should be more discipline and education on lanes. The Spanish are very good at getting back in to slow lane having overtaken. Very few hog the second or third lanes unlike Britain where it is seen as a normal driving lane.

80 on motorways and reduction for wet conditions as per parts of Europe.
20 in towns unless it is a guarded arterial road in which case 40.

Offenders to be put to work on real community work not gathering rubbish off motorway embankments.

[Sir Tigger KC]

There should be a law that if a HGV overtakes another on the motorway, then the one being overtaken should slowdown a tad to let the other one past    Thus avoiding the painfully slow overtaking manouevres we see all the time on the motorways!! 

[Osprey]

Fair point Varche - must admit I was just thinking of nearly identical 56mph limiters failing to pass each other for miles on end, which can cause serious congestion with dangerous tail-backs particularly on two-lane stretches.  A bit of consideration from the truckers wouldn't go amiss here. 

I don't drive HGV either but I have spent a fair bit of time as a passenger and, as you say, it has been useful experience.  I was amazed at what a PITA it is when erratic speed from a car in front causes a truck to lose momentum which can take ages to build back up.  It has certainly helped my awareness of HGV blind spots, turning space and so on.  Getting knocked off my bike (years ago) by someone with a 360 degree blind spot was also a wake-up call. 

The mainland European habit of keeping your indicator on throughout an overtake isn't a bad idea - an acknowledgement that you are in the outside lane temporarily for the duration of the overtake rather than living there permanently just because you drive an Audi. 

Anyway - I stick to my initial point.  Starting an overtake that is unlikely to complete this century because you are both on the same limiter should be discouraged Libyan style. 

[ianu]

Controversial I know  - but hey it's what this is about right 
Excellent idea to have wet and dry limits on the motorways 
BUT drop the limit to 65 and allow any lane passing and open more hard shoulders at peak times  between key sections of major arterial motorways
M4, M6, M1, M40 for starters...
 

[Stallion]

Pikey wagons banned from motorways (and all other highways) stay in a hotel or stay at home.

   

[Bionic]

Blackviper90210 is spot on  .....raise the limit too high and the usual bunch of brainless, driving skill less and pretendy racing drivers of both genders will still abuse it. Some of them are dangerous at 30, let alone anything faster  !
When caught for the second time for excessive speeding they should have their vehicle immediately seized for automatic crushing and their licences removed for life with a long mandatory term in prison (5 years) with no leniency shown for any reason if they are caught again after being banned.
The problem is that the judges and magistrates show far too much leniency and only very, very rarely give out a deterrent sentence that will make others think twice before breaking the law. If they cannot afford to pay a heavy fine then surely it is logical to reason that they cannot afford to run a vehicle with all of its associated costs?
I am frikkin sick  of my insurance going up due to those inconsiderate minority who think the law does not apply to them or that they have an excuse to justify it. THEY DON'T, its as easy and simple as that. BRAKE is correct too.....excessive speed does kill and I support them even though I like to drive fast when the situation is safe to do so, just as any responsible driver does. 

[sticka_v8_init]

It's all well and good raising the speed limit and to some extent I agree. The problem you have though, is although the cars are more capable at higher speeds and stopping quicker, you've still got the same idiots who can't drive properly as it is 

I've lost count the amount of times I've seen articulated lorries restricted to 56mph, having to overtake idiots on the motorway doing 50

I personally think these prats shouldn't be allowed out, let alone on the motorway!!

Its wrong, however, to do what the last government tried, and to legislate to the lowest common demoninator.

TB's manifesto for motorways:
Speed limit 85/65 (dry/wet) for cars, 55 for HGV
Minimum speed limit 70/50 (dry/wet) for cars, (no min for HGV) with matrix signs if weather deemed too bad
On 3 lane motorways, only cars and car derived vans in outside lane. No trailers in outside lane.
No caravans or camper vans. Ever.
Anyone caught hogging middle lane to immediately have to take another test. 2nd offence, death.

For town traffic:
A minimum journey length of 2 miles. That means you can't take little thicko Johnny to school in the car, walk him you lazy fat ugly cow.



Reckon I stand a chance of election?

Easy on the pikey van's TB 

Its the Centre Lane Owners Club that i think causes the most grief. Pulling my Pikey Van back from Somerset today up the M5 and doing 70mph very nicely (I know 60mph is limit, but i'm safer out of the lorries). The amount of times we got dragged down to 50 odd in the middle lane was stupid. After a while I see the culprit 2 cars ahead - Honda Jazz. Sat 2 cars back for 5 mins whilst this muppett dismissed countless opportunities to pull over, whilst varying his speed between 50 & 65 mph.

As I'm banned from the outside lane i got to the  "SOD IT" stage and cruised up the inside lane. Whilst my undertake is illegal, its the muppets as per above who force others into incorrect driving styles.

3 points for hogging the middle lane imo.

[Kevin Wood]

I'd also add a ban on wagons trying to overtake other wagons when they are both on their limiters.  We need some kind of external warning light when wagons hit their limiter anyway.

Amen to that. I think limiters should detect the closing speed of other lorries and adjust the relative speeds to prevent the need for an overtake unless it can be carried out quickly.

I was on the M40 today, in no desperate rush. A lorry pulled out in front of me (middle lane) to overtake another. Didn't look like he was gaining on him that quick, if at all, so I sat behind to see what happened. He took 6 miles to complete the overtake.

So, we have 3 lanes. 2 lanes for 2 selfish lorries, 1 lane for about 150 cars that must have passed.

IMHO, it should be part of the HGV syllabus to be able to calculate exactly how little difference it makes to your journey time to be driving 0.25 nanoMPH slower than you could, as opposed to blocking 2/3rds of a motorway to all other traffic for 10 minutes.