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Another nail in the privacy coffin
« on: 28 November 2011, 19:18:23 »

Thanks to the widespread use of CCTV, Britain is already the most 'watched' society on Earth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2067187/Privacy-invasion-Shops-secretly-track-snooping-mobile.html
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #1 on: 28 November 2011, 19:25:43 »

why am i not surprised
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #2 on: 28 November 2011, 19:35:10 »

cannot go 20feet with out being on camara....
still not like being tracked by your phone...
or your bank on spending habits..
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #3 on: 28 November 2011, 19:35:58 »

This has been the case for the last 10 years or so.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #4 on: 28 November 2011, 19:40:41 »

Why let it bother you , if you are not breaking the Law as it only the crims that seem to  object to it
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #5 on: 28 November 2011, 19:45:07 »

not true there has been a lot off spying in peoples window in the past few years, and people with mental health problems makes them worse... they dont work any way most are looking at the sky or on the ground by the pole. and if somthing dose happen and you need the footage you get sorry it was looking the other way so whats the point in them.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #6 on: 28 November 2011, 20:13:02 »

Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.

Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.

And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #7 on: 28 November 2011, 20:45:44 »

To quote a comment at the bottom of the article.

. "Don't worry, it's for SECURITY & MARKETING" is no EXCUSE for such a massive CIVIL-LIBERTY LOSS"
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #8 on: 28 November 2011, 20:50:45 »

Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.

Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.

And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.

http://www.followus.co.uk/
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #9 on: 28 November 2011, 21:45:23 »

.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....

Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....

I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #10 on: 28 November 2011, 21:50:58 »

.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....

Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....

I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.


I think Kevin is saying that "3rd party software" cannot track individual phones in that way. The phone company software can certainly triangulate when requested by the "right" people ...  :)

There is software that allows your phone to be tracked .. but it has to be installed and operating, my son watched his stolen phone moving around Melbourne, unfortunately the thief realised and threw it in the river about 2 minutes before the Police got there :(

https://www.mylookout.com/
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #11 on: 28 November 2011, 21:54:53 »

Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.

Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.

And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.

.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!!  ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!

even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #12 on: 28 November 2011, 22:01:58 »

Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.

Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.

And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.

.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!!  ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!

even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance  ::) ::) ::)

The so what could be a stalker keeping tabs on a possible victim.
I know a man who uses the previous site link I posted to keep tabs on his wife as he is paranoid shes not throwing straight dice.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #13 on: 28 November 2011, 22:06:52 »

Nothing to hide,nothing to fear  - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.
The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round. ;)
This all happened during the Nu Liebore era (the most sinister untrustworthy govt this country has ever seen) the Tories and Limpdems condemned it and swore to dismantle the surveillance society the first chance they got. Looks like they have forgotten to do so.
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Re: Another nail in the privacy coffin
« Reply #14 on: 28 November 2011, 22:07:41 »

Sounds like daily mail "dangle berries" to me. There is no "signal" from your mobile phone unless you are in a phone call, apart from a periodic "ping" to the network probably a couple of times an hour. If there were, the battery would last about an hour.

Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.

And no, TomToms don't "track" mobile phones either. They might report your position periodically if you have the live service enabled and your phone paired to it via bluetooth but that's a very different thing.

.....plus the express as they are effectively the same shit!!!!!  ::) i sometimes think DM & TE are worse than the sun as they seem to feed the ever increasing doom merchants and hypertension sufferers!!!!!

even if it was possible that all phones and calls are traceable...... well so what? dont do owt illegal. i very much doubt that someone will be listening in to any of our phone calls anyway irrespective of our personal level of self imprtance  ::) ::) ::)

The so what could be a stalker keeping tabs on a possible victim.
I know a man who uses the previous site link I posted to keep tabs on his wife as he is paranoid shes not throwing straight dice.

hold up, i think i may have missed something  :-[ :-[ :-[ ::)

i thought we were referring to supermarkets tracking phones (presumably for market research purposes)?

this link, is it wjere ANYONE can track ANYONE'S mobile? and is it legal to do so?
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