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[Webby the Bear]

Nothing to hide,nothing to fear  - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round.

true but can you prove it's not actually for our benefit as opposed to jumping to the conclusion we're going to use the info to massacre a civilisation? 

[Omega32E]

Nothing to hide,nothing to fear  - thats what Hitler told the jews,Stalin told the Russians etc. etc.
The point is,when our government is constantly watching/ monitoring us we have lost our privacy and our freedom,and it demonstrates that they have forgotten that they are supposed to serve us.Not the other way round.

and the end result was loss of freedom and control.

[Omega32E]

In fact you only have to watch a program like Big Brother (total c**p I know) as a demonstration of people being watched, controlled and manipulation.

[Webby the Bear]

In fact you only have to watch a program like Big Brother (total c**p I know) as a demonstration of people being watched, controlled and manipulation.

very true   

but then so are the papers doing exactly that.... sensationalising everything to sell papers 

[General Melchett]

WWW.trackapartner.com

[Webby the Bear]

WWW.trackapartner.com

hang on cos once again i'm confused... sorry 

according to the site you posted, General, ANYONE can track ANYONE? And also looking at the intentions of the site it's offering the service for people who may have a partner who's lost? yet we all know what it will be used for, right?

so my question is this.... if ANYONE can track ANYONE why are we worried when a supermarket does this as per the DM story? We know anyone can do it and if the tech is there shouldn't we be considering ditching our mobile phone if we're that bothered? no of course not, cos we aint that bothered!

[General Melchett]

Try the link and put in your wife's mobile number to see how well it works 

[Kevin Wood]

.....Even then, they wouldn't be able to "track" phones as it would be impossible to identify individual phones due to the encryption.....

Not wishing to disagree with someone far more knowledgeable on such things than I - however.....

I do know from experience that cell site analysis can and does provide specific information on specific mobiles, on legitimate legal request, such that vulnerable missing persons and similar can be located to searchable/viable ground areas.

Yes, with the co-operation of the network operator you can locate mobiles, of course. Not to a particular isle in a department store, though, especially as inside a building GPS will not be available for phones so-equipped, so it'll be triangulation between cell sites kilometres apart.

There are also tracking services which will locate mobiles by the same means for the general public if the user of the phone answers an opt-in request. Again, it'll be a very coarse location, though.

My point is that it's not possible in the way described - a store autonomously tracking mobiles without the holder's consent based on detecting the signals they emit. I'd be a happy man if I'd managed to find a way to do it. I've been asked.

[Webby the Bear]

Try the link and put in your wife's mobile number to see how well it works 

i'm sure you're right mate. thats kind of my point though........... if nut cases and stalkers can track anyone they want, why are the DM focusing on supermarkets doing market research? 

i personally would love to have a hot, 20 year old stalker  more likely to end up being stalked by wayne tooney's former prostitute lover though 

[General Melchett]

* waits for the penny to drop*

[Webby the Bear]

* waits for the penny to drop*

huh? 

[Kevin Wood]

* waits for the penny to drop*

Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR.

[General Melchett]

* waits for the penny to drop*

Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR.

Oh he's useless at that medical stuff.  Did you hear he's interested in becoming a nurse?

[CaptainZok]

* waits for the penny to drop*

Don't hold your breath unless your lackie is on hand to perform CPR.

Oh he's useless at that medical stuff.  Did you hear he's interested in becoming a nurse?

It'll be the uniform he's after.

[blackviper90210]

not true there has been a lot off spying in peoples window in the past few years, and people with mental health problems makes them worse... they dont work any way most are looking at the sky or on the ground by the pole. and if somthing dose happen and you need the footage you get sorry it was looking the other way so whats the point in them.

I'll have to disagree with you there.. I worked for a local Authority for over 10 years in the CCTV division, working alongside the emergency services. We are not peeping toms etc, but hard working genuine people. I've lost count the amount of crime my colleagues & I captured and people being hurt in all types of ways.
Missing children, people getting mugged and a male charged with rape, when in fact the 2 women were consenting! Needless to say he was released without charge!

Like all walks of life, there are some that break the rules, but don't tarnish us ALL with the same brush!