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Author Topic: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control  (Read 2338 times)

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I was driving down from Scotland tonight heading for Gloucester(340 Miles) and after 280 miles no problems, I had the cruise set at 70mph on the speedo (about 67mph on the sat nav) sitting at 2500rpm and the car started to judder and the rev counter shot up and continued to judder after a few seconds the rev's dropped to 3500rpm and was still juddering, I switched off the cruise control and reduced the speed and the juddering stopped. I then increased the speed slowly and it was OK, after a few miles the car would give a little judder and then carry on as normal.
The car has done this a few times now, I changed the fuel filter after the first time it did it, but no change!!

Any ideas???

Also when the car is sitting idling the revs seem to flicker
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #1 on: 09 January 2012, 05:17:56 »

Any dash lights come on? Pedal tricked for fault codes as the guide?

Weird one. :-\
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #2 on: 09 January 2012, 08:07:33 »

Could be anything
If the eml comes on you can check for codes
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #3 on: 09 January 2012, 09:37:21 »

I'II check the codes later today and post them up here.
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #4 on: 09 January 2012, 09:41:09 »

Given that the rev counter was doing odd things, I wonder if the crank sensor is on its' way out?
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #5 on: 09 January 2012, 15:51:05 »

As header,
I was driving down from Scotland tonight heading for Gloucester(340 Miles) and after 280 miles no problems, I had the cruise set at 70mph on the speedo (about 67mph on the sat nav) sitting at 2500rpm and the car started to judder and the rev counter shot up and continued to judder after a few seconds the rev's dropped to 3500rpm and was still juddering, I switched off the cruise control and reduced the speed and the juddering stopped. I then increased the speed slowly and it was OK, after a few miles the car would give a little judder and then carry on as normal.
The car has done this a few times now, I changed the fuel filter after the first time it did it, but no change!!

Any ideas???

Also when the car is sitting idling the revs seem to flicker

Misfre? - check plugs, leads and maybe DISS pack ;)
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #6 on: 09 January 2012, 16:27:53 »

As header,
I was driving down from Scotland tonight heading for Gloucester(340 Miles) and after 280 miles no problems, I had the cruise set at 70mph on the speedo (about 67mph on the sat nav) sitting at 2500rpm and the car started to judder and the rev counter shot up and continued to judder after a few seconds the rev's dropped to 3500rpm and was still juddering, I switched off the cruise control and reduced the speed and the juddering stopped. I then increased the speed slowly and it was OK, after a few miles the car would give a little judder and then carry on as normal.
The car has done this a few times now, I changed the fuel filter after the first time it did it, but no change!!

Any ideas???

Also when the car is sitting idling the revs seem to flicker

Misfre? - check plugs, leads and maybe DISS pack ;)

Coil packs on a 3.2  :y  I'd expect them to throw up a code if they were failing.

Just wondering if it could be gearbox related, since you say the revs shot up at the same time.  Maybe getting stuck between gears?  :-\
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #7 on: 09 January 2012, 17:13:02 »

Are the engine revs changing or just the rev counter?

Agreed, gearbox if the revs change. Could be low fluid or a poor connection between box and ECU. Would expect a gearbox warning in that instance, though. :-\

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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #8 on: 09 January 2012, 17:17:20 »

Cruise set at 70 - not much gearchanging taking place. My moneys on crank sensor.
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #9 on: 09 January 2012, 18:51:43 »

Are the engine revs changing or just the rev counter?

Both, the engine revs shoot up

Agreed, gearbox if the revs change. Could be low fluid or a poor connection between box and ECU. Would expect a gearbox warning in that instance, though. :-\

No warning lights and nothing on the digital screen
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #10 on: 09 January 2012, 19:03:39 »

I have had this and it was a misfire  :y

Someone will diagnose correctly though I'm sure  :y
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #11 on: 09 January 2012, 21:29:30 »

Are the engine revs changing or just the rev counter?

Both, the engine revs shoot up

Agreed, gearbox if the revs change. Could be low fluid or a poor connection between box and ECU. Would expect a gearbox warning in that instance, though. :-\

No warning lights and nothing on the digital screen
Any codes though? Whats crank sensor in obd2 0335 or sumat like?
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #12 on: 09 January 2012, 21:54:57 »

Are the engine revs changing or just the rev counter?

Both, the engine revs shoot up

Agreed, gearbox if the revs change. Could be low fluid or a poor connection between box and ECU. Would expect a gearbox warning in that instance, though. :-\

No warning lights and nothing on the digital screen
Any codes though? Whats crank sensor in obd2 0335 or sumat like?
Not yet, I've been at work all day, hopefully get them tomorrow.
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #13 on: 09 January 2012, 21:59:51 »

Are the engine revs changing or just the rev counter?

Both, the engine revs shoot up

Agreed, gearbox if the revs change. Could be low fluid or a poor connection between box and ECU. Would expect a gearbox warning in that instance, though. :-\

No warning lights and nothing on the digital screen
Any codes though? Whats crank sensor in obd2 0335 or sumat like?
Yup it's 0335!
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Re: 02 3.2 Elite, Juddering when Driving at 65-70MPH on Cruise Control
« Reply #14 on: 09 January 2012, 23:21:49 »

Does it feel like the autobox is changing down deliberately or losing drive? Could be fluid level causing the TC to slip or the box to drop out of gear.

Alternatively the engine could be losing power to a misfire, fuel starvaton, etc, and it is changing down to try to maintain the set speed. Really need to try to reproduce it during manual driving to get a feel for if it's losing power.
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