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[Terbs]

Hi...
I have just received a parking charge for 'overstaying my welcome' at the Turbary Retail Park near Bournemouth/Poole.
This is a large car park (free) that covers a large amount of shops including Matalan, The Range, TX Max, Denholm Mill, Wickes, Brantano, etc etc.
The 'invoice' has a pic of my car entering and leaving the car park. Total duration 3 hrs 39 mins. I do not intend to pay I intend to totally ignore all correspondence.
What I would ask....can anyone in that area take a couple of pics for me of the entrance (notices of parking restrictions), also any notices and and how many in the car park.
Anyone of you that goes shopping with the swmbo AND a daughter at shops mentioned will know that 3 hrs 39mins is a let-off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus the fact that two of these shops have cafe/restaurants inside which we used (still have receipts). I don't know what the parking duration is for this retail park is, but it seems ridiculus to be short term. We spent a lot of money there that day, so if anyone in the area can help it would be appreciated as help with my evidence if it goes to court.
Its the principal of being ripped off

TIA

Tony

[Martian]

I doubt for one minute it will go to court Tony, the leeching single cell life forms that issue those type of demands do not have the law behind them in the same way a copper or council employed warden has as they are private companies employed by the owners of the car park (think wheel clampers).
If they are going to take you to court then it would be a private prosecution, and one they would lose dismally by the sound of it (keep those receipts though bud).

[Terbs]

Thanks for that, Martian....

To someone like me, who always pays car park fees, etc,  and been law abiding to the best of my ability, its a bit of a shock to the system to receive one of these demands, with pics of my car entering and leaving.
I think I am going to write to Matalan and a couple of the others to see if they will cancel the charge. If not......we will see what happens

Tony

[Martian]

I don't think you'll get very far writing to individual stores as they won't own the car park in it's own right, there is probably a PO Box address (or similar) on the demand you received if you wish to enter in to correspondence with them.
As they have no power in law whatsoever, my attitude would be to simply file any further letters from them under B (Bin fodder) and not give it any further thought.

I'm off to go & do battle with Rushmoor Council now.

After paying the ticket the missus got last month for parking illegally (which we accepted because she did it), we got another one through the post on Friday claiming she had stopped outside a school. On this occasion however the warden claims he or she didn't have time to get the ticket on the screen and take a pic (which they have to do), so there is no evidence whatsoever.

Aside from the fact I know the car wasn't where the warden claimed it was, the missus has her own parking space at that school because she works there....so she would have no reason to park outside of the school gates anyway.
I am secretly hoping that this one does go to court, because I will take great delight in proving the warden is lying through his or her teeth and is simply trying it on in the hope we are the sort who get scared when words like "court", etc are mentioned.

[Terbs]

I don't think you'll get very far writing to individual stores as they won't own the car park in it's own right, there is probably a PO Box address (or similar) on the demand you received if you wish to enter in to correspondence with them.
As they have no power in law whatsoever, my attitude would be to simply file any further letters from them under B (Bin fodder) and not give it any further thought.

I'm off to go & do battle with Rushmoor Council now.

After paying the ticket the missus got last month for parking illegally (which we accepted because she did it), we got another one through the post on Friday claiming she had stopped outside a school. On this occasion however the warden claims he or she didn't have time to get the ticket on the screen and take a pic (which they have to do), so there is no evidence whatsoever.

Aside from the fact I know the car wasn't where the warden claimed it was, the missus has her own parking space at that school because she works there....so she would have no reason to park outside of the school gates anyway.
I am secretly hoping that this one does go to court, because I will take great delight in proving the warden is lying through his or her teeth and is simply trying it on in the hope we are the sort who get scared when words like "court", etc are mentioned.

You have hit the nail on the head there, mate......
I think I will do as you say and do nothing....
Incidently, my bit of research into my situation shows that the 'offence' is between the driver and NOT the vehicle owner, not that it helps in my case, unless the blown up pics don't show drivers definition. And, by law, you are not entitled to tell them the driver !!!!

[omegod]

Had one of these in November and the letters are getting more official looking and more threatening the latest saying my credit scoring may be affected erm ..how?

The Mrs is cacking herself and is typically wanting to pay it, over my dead body!

[Martian]

You have hit the nail on the head there, mate......
I think I will do as you say and do nothing....
Incidently, my bit of research into my situation shows that the 'offence' is between the driver and NOT the vehicle owner, not that it helps in my case, unless the blown up pics don't show drivers definition. And, by law, you are not entitled to tell them the driver !!!!

Any photo or video evidence presented to a court has to be in it's original form, they aren't allowed to blow them up or manipulate them in any way as they would no longer be the original document

[deviator]

You have hit the nail on the head there, mate......
I think I will do as you say and do nothing....
Incidently, my bit of research into my situation shows that the 'offence' is between the driver and NOT the vehicle owner, not that it helps in my case, unless the blown up pics don't show drivers definition. And, by law, you are not entitled to tell them the driver !!!!

Any photo or video evidence presented to a court has to be in it's original form, they aren't allowed to blow them up or manipulate them in any way as they would no longer be the original document

Not stictly true, were possible the original should be retained to preserve 'best evidence'. However it is acceptable for the format to change and to even enhance the image, as long as there is a copy of a original and all the work is repeatable by a defence expert.

Just to nail it on, I'll cite computer based cases, if a computer has been used for a fraud, do they turn up to court with the suspects computer and turn it on in court to show what they have found? No, as not only is that against guidelines (although not impossible) it's not practical. Or another example, road accident on the motorway, someone is injured badly. Police are looking into it. Are they going to bring 2 wrecked cars and a section of Arnco to court? It's not happening is it?

[russ0205]

Yep had one of these last year for overstaying my welcome in the local morrisons store,
The only advise i will give is ignore it unless it has been issued by the police or local authority it wont go to
court they cant take a car to court only the driver,The letters will get a bit harder but just put them in the bin

 

[Terbs]

Thanks all for the reassurances....
It really gets my hackles up to think that the car park is for shoppers use to shop at all the shops there. I was unaware you had to go to JB Sports to get roller skates before you could shop
And its a FREE carpark, so what is the £70 charge supposed to represent
Won't bother you with all tech stuff...but googling has given me a multitude of info on the legalities 

Tony

[Dishevelled Den]

Thanks all for the reassurances....
It really gets my hackles up to think that the car park is for shoppers use to shop at all the shops there. I was unaware you had to go to JB Sports to get roller skates before you could shop
And its a FREE carpark, so what is the £70 charge supposed to represent
Won't bother you with all tech stuff...but googling has given me a multitude of info on the legalities 

Tony

Yes, well done Terb - a bit of research goes a long way.

The only reason these shits have been able to get away with it for so long is that most people can't be bothered. 

In today's enlightened society however the tools to combat this banditry are much more readily to hand than at anytime in the past and people must use them to show these wide-boys just who really is in charge.

[paul.lovejoy]

Thanks all for the reassurances....
It really gets my hackles up to think that the car park is for shoppers use to shop at all the shops there. I was unaware you had to go to JB Sports to get roller skates before you could shop
And its a FREE carpark, so what is the £70 charge supposed to represent
Won't bother you with all tech stuff...but googling has given me a multitude of info on the legalities 

Tony

Yes, well done Terb - a bit of research goes a long way.

The only reason these shits have been able to get away with it for so long is that most people can't be bothered. 

In today's enlightened society however the tools to combat this banditry are much more readily to hand than at anytime in the past and people must use them to show these wide-boys just who really is in charge.

erm is that like baseball bats and guns and things Den or have i got it wrong again

[Dishevelled Den]

Thanks all for the reassurances....
It really gets my hackles up to think that the car park is for shoppers use to shop at all the shops there. I was unaware you had to go to JB Sports to get roller skates before you could shop
And its a FREE carpark, so what is the £70 charge supposed to represent
Won't bother you with all tech stuff...but googling has given me a multitude of info on the legalities 

Tony

Yes, well done Terb - a bit of research goes a long way.

The only reason these shits have been able to get away with it for so long is that most people can't be bothered. 

In today's enlightened society however the tools to combat this banditry are much more readily to hand than at anytime in the past and people must use them to show these wide-boys just who really is in charge.

erm is that like baseball bats and guns and things Den or have i got it wrong again

Not at all P, such tools are easily found in the 'positive reinforcement' category which, in turn, is part of plan 'B' - should such shits choose to ignore good sense and try to carry on regardless.

[paul.lovejoy]

Den you have such a way with words mate

[Missue]

Hello, i have received the same charge notice as yourself for parking for too long at Turbury Retail Park on 30th December,it came this morning. What a joke.!! Yes i was there 5 hrs and spent money,it was the sales after all. Did not see any signs saying it was limited parking but i shall be driving over there tomorrow for another look. I will let you know my findings.