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Greek bailout
« on: 12 February 2012, 23:12:05 »

Couldn't help but spot this:

The violence occurred as lawmakers began a historic vote to slash minimum wages, a bill that may put one in five civil servants out of work. Greek officials say the tough measures are needed to keep the country's finances afloat and assure Greece's position in the eurozone.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120212/papademos-greece-bailout-deal-120212/#ixzz1mDCWmIYO

Maybe they should realise that being in the eurozone is costing them dearly. Actually, maybe the protestors have figured that out already...

Looking very ugly out there.  :(
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #1 on: 12 February 2012, 23:43:36 »

thought i would go and see for myself,

http://www.olympicholidays.com/default.asp

not much chance of that, didnt like the place 15 years ago.
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« Reply #2 on: 12 February 2012, 23:44:36 »

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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #3 on: 12 February 2012, 23:57:33 »

Imo it will get a lot worse before it gets better.Unfortunately these scenes of riots etc. are likely to become more commonplace,annd not just in Greece.They keep prolonging the agony of so many people by trying to flog this dead horse of a currency. What will it take for them to see the reality thats staring them in the face ?  >:(
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #4 on: 12 February 2012, 23:59:55 »

I'm sure it'll all calm down when the German tanks roll in.
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #5 on: 13 February 2012, 00:03:02 »

Imo it will get a lot worse before it gets better.Unfortunately these scenes of riots etc. are likely to become more commonplace,annd not just in Greece.They keep prolonging the agony of so many people by trying to flog this dead horse of a currency. What will it take for them to see the reality thats staring them in the face ?  >:(

Indeed, Albs. Of course, the reality is that this bailout will not reach the populous at large... The political classes just don't know when their scam has been rumbled.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100135715/the-bailout-money-wont-go-to-ordinary-greeks/

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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #6 on: 13 February 2012, 00:06:36 »

that reminds me, wheres my bucket if sand gone?
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #7 on: 13 February 2012, 00:59:43 »

Not too much into the politics of this, but how long before the Police change sides, they are suffering savage cuts to their wages and any benefits, as I guess are the Military............ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #8 on: 13 February 2012, 04:48:04 »

Where I'm an avid follower of Shaun Richard's excellent blog on Mindful Money, his brilliant, non political, analysis of current financial affairs is unique on the web. The understanding for Mr Average is much better from his free blog and this contribution to society, he is being recognized for this where he recently appeared on Geff Randells program on Sky news. I regularly link to it on this the OOF website when it is topical to do so, and I'm a regular contributor to the comments section on his blog.  :y :y

The reason this is currently the hobby I spend the most time on at the moment is the current economic situation, is a global war that affects all of us including me, it is the equivalent of WWII without bombs, shells and bullets (yet), so those that ignore it and say it is not my cup of tea, be careful as it might creap up on you and bite you hard on the butt. Remember the smart informed Jews left Germany before the holocaust.  ::) ::) ::)

Greece should have defaulted with a haircut when the economic crisis first hit her. Greece is currently in an austerity based economic death spiral. The current situation is like somebody with crippling credit card debts, they can no longer afford the mortgage, food or heating, so they agree to cut down on these to below subsistence level on the basis that they will be given a new credit card, to use to pay the interest on the debts on the credit cards they already have. We all know this is madness. So why are the Greeks doing this, they are sold the political leader propaganda (to save the politicians skins for April elections) that all of the alternatives are much worse, like we were in 1991 by the fools Major and Larmont. Once their lies were exposed by the markets, once black Wednesday hit and according to their rhetoric, we were now going to suffer from an economic black plague, guess what, the UK economy went from recession, to a golden era of tremendous growth (to be killed from 1997 onwards by the grinning hyena Blair and the fool Brown). But, the Tories will not gain absolute power for at least 20 years (a generation because of their mismanagement of the economy, and on that basis quite rightly so, unfortunately the alternatives were even worse with the fools Blair and Brown). Greece need to do the same by defaulting, there is no other sensible alternative.

Back to Greece, the sh*t Sarkozy is up for election in April / May and Merkel has backed him and is interfering in France's internal affairs (a democratic disgrace) as the alternatives, do not fit Germany's agenda, the other two major contenders are an anti-Eu Marie Le Pen or a very left wing tw*t who's name I can't remember, so part of trying to increase his chances of reelection are to kick the Greek can down the road, and avoid a potential Greek default creating devastating French bank losses and requiring a bailout. Frau Angela is up for election in November, now if Greece goes belly up, she will have to bail out several German banks, but much worse, the losses by the ECB from buying Greece bonds and the recent bank liquidity funding on which they will have accepted much junk collateral and Germany is the biggest guarantor, so Germany's tax payers will have to make good the losses, this will kill Merkel's reelections chances, so again the Greek can need to be kicked down the road past November.

So what about the Greek people's suffering, Mekel is very sympathetic in a Miss Whiplash way, with platitudes like: "tough sh*t", "you created it you solve it", "do what we tell you to or else". We all know the sh*t poodle Sarkosy will give his absolute support by having a dump on a Greek front lawn! With friends like these who needs enemies.  :o :o :o
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #9 on: 13 February 2012, 09:51:33 »

Couldn't help but spot this:

The violence occurred as lawmakers began a historic vote to slash minimum wages, a bill that may put one in five civil servants out of work. Greek officials say the tough measures are needed to keep the country's finances afloat and assure Greece's position in the eurozone.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120212/papademos-greece-bailout-deal-120212/#ixzz1mDCWmIYO

Maybe they should realise that being in the eurozone is costing them dearly. Actually, maybe the protestors have figured that out already...

Looking very ugly out there.  :(

yep..Greece has no way other than leaving EU.. because a country who cant control own money dont have chance to survive..EU help funds will be a piece in the teeth and wont help other than bringing more debt to the country..
 
looking at the picture neither Greece politicians have the courage (which time prooved) and nor The EU powers will permit (also time prooved)..  :(
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #10 on: 13 February 2012, 09:53:21 »

A few observations.

1. the minimum wage is being reduced from 751 to 500 euros a month. The poor are really going to be happy about that. One in five public jobs being cut.

2. Improved tax revenue collection (i.e. get the tax the sytemic evaders have been avoiding paying) Can't see that happening.

3. Change of government in the near or far future? Will they conveniently forget what this lot have signed up for (poverty for years). Methinks yes.

4. We have had the Arab Spring, now it is maybe just the time for the Mediterranean Summer. There isn't any cheer in Portugal or Spain. 50% unemployment for youngsters. 22% for workers in total. 5000 jobs a day lost in January and absolutely no sign of it getting better for years, maybe decades.

5. What an irony that the German economy was in this position 60 years ago and Europe wrote off or rescheduled their debts over 30 years. Where is the helping hand for the PIIGS?  This needed vision to resolve not hogtying the next generation with debt.
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #11 on: 13 February 2012, 12:24:32 »

cutting the wages and discarding people from jobs aint solve anything.. its just 'dangle berries' >:(
 
govts can never tax the rich, where all their money lie in hedge funds far from the country..
 
besides Greece is not a producing/industrial country , thats where the big gap starts.. expecting Tourism and home/land sales to feed the country is a big baloon and the external credits are over..
 
but question is, who brought the country to its kness and who is the decision maker upto now when all these happening..
 
and who give the promises and make the Greeks live in dream.. I think everyone knows the answers..
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Re: Greek bailout
« Reply #12 on: 13 February 2012, 12:35:16 »

Couldn't help but spot this:

The violence occurred as lawmakers began a historic vote to slash minimum wages, a bill that may put one in five civil servants out of work. Greek officials say the tough measures are needed to keep the country's finances afloat and assure Greece's position in the eurozone.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120212/papademos-greece-bailout-deal-120212/#ixzz1mDCWmIYO

Maybe they should realise that being in the eurozone is costing them dearly. Actually, maybe the protestors have figured that out already...

Looking very ugly out there:(



For once I agree with you, Nick. The shit will hit the fan very shortly.... :-\ :-\ :-\
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