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[jerry]

Dont know if anyone else saw Panorama the other day about America's growing poor? Our welfare state may be far from perfect (not least in the ease in which it can be abused) but surely its a way better system than that of America? Sure, some people who could have afforded medical insurance but chose not to and are now paying the price may not gain too much sympathy but what about the construction worker who has never earned enough to pay for such insurance and who is now seriously ill with nowhere to go?This feller queued for hours through the night to see a free doctor (in a scheme set up by a Brit who had set up similar in "third world" countries) only to be told that his untreated hernia would likely kill him if he did not have quite a straight forward surgical procedure but , at 20K, there was no way he could afford it. IMO decent basic healthcare via a welfare system paid for via taxation should be an essential. Should people choose to spend their money on enhanced care (or education for that matter) fine but it seems very bizzare that such a "rich" nation should come to this in this century. Guess its all about the ever growing gap between rich and poor which clearly isnt just the case in such countries as Russia/India/China etc anymore

[albitz]

I suppose the ideal system woul be somewhere between theirs and ours.Although imo ours is less preferable than theirs overall currently.

[Lazydocker]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

[Varche]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

Yes exactly. The system would only want those in good health!

[Martian]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

Yes exactly. The system would only want those in good health!

That's me f***ed then 

[Lazydocker]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

Yes exactly. The system would only want those in good health!

That's me f***ed then 

And me, and SWMBO

[STMO123]

Just watched that episode on iplayer, very shocking and sad. The world is changing rapidly and I fear for our children.

[Gaffers]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

Yes exactly. The system would only want those in good health!

That's me f***ed then 

And me, and SWMBO

Not necessarily.  If I were to go for my own health insurance I woul dbe told to prompty either cough up you rentire worth or f-off.  Your company though should be able to put you on their insurance subject to a medical and a calculation of the necessary risk.  However it is possible to be put on my wife's insurance through her employer at very little additional cost to me or the wife.  From what I have discovered in my investigations for moving over the US is that the actual situation differs somewhat from what we are led to believe by the media.  Besides, if our system was perfect we would have no homeless.......

[albitz]

I think that our system should be changed to an insurance based healthcare system.

But, I think that up to 18 Years of age and people who are genuinely on benefits should get it "Credited" to keep them insured.

If the money we pay into the NHS was rearranged into this system, there would be a much better healthcare infrastructure and (I expect) some savings to boot

Of course, the downside is that people with an existing condition like SWMBO (Severe Allergies) would struggle to get cover

Yes exactly. The system would only want those in good health!

That's me f***ed then 

And me, and SWMBO

Not necessarily.  If I were to go for my own health insurance I woul dbe told to prompty either cough up you rentire worth or f-off.  Your company though should be able to put you on their insurance subject to a medical and a calculation of the necessary risk.  However it is possible to be put on my wife's insurance through her employer at very little additional cost to me or the wife.  From what I have discovered in my investigations for moving over the US is that the actual situation differs somewhat from what we are led to believe by the media.  Besides, if our system was perfect we would have no homeless.......

I agree. Speak to most Americans and you get a bit of a different picture. Conversely,I saw a programmed Michael Moore made about our NHS (for the U.S. market) and the picture of utopia he painted was unrecogniseable as the NHS that I have had too many dealings with over the years.Its not easy to get an accurate picture of anything via the media.There is almost always an agaenda somehwere along the line.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Dont know if anyone else saw Panorama the other day about America's growing poor? Our welfare state may be far from perfect (not least in the ease in which it can be abused) but surely its a way better system than that of America? Sure, some people who could have afforded medical insurance but chose not to and are now paying the price may not gain too much sympathy but what about the construction worker who has never earned enough to pay for such insurance and who is now seriously ill with nowhere to go?This feller queued for hours through the night to see a free doctor (in a scheme set up by a Brit who had set up similar in "third world" countries) only to be told that his untreated hernia would likely kill him if he did not have quite a straight forward surgical procedure but , at 20K, there was no way he could afford it. IMO decent basic healthcare via a welfare system paid for via taxation should be an essential. Should people choose to spend their money on enhanced care (or education for that matter) fine but it seems very bizzare that such a "rich" nation should come to this in this century. Guess its all about the ever growing gap between rich and poor which clearly isnt just the case in such countries as Russia/India/China etc anymore

I agree. The current NHS was implemented by a socialist Labour government in 1948. The doctors bitterly opposed it at that time.

I don't recall the name of the Prime Minister in charge of that administration....

[Nickbat]

the actual situation differs somewhat from what we are led to believe by the media.  Besides, if our system was perfect we would have no homeless.......

Quite so, Guffers. Anyone who believes all the tripe that is put out by the BBC as supposedly independent and not agenda-driven must be hugely gullible. 

[albitz]

Dont know if anyone else saw Panorama the other day about America's growing poor? Our welfare state may be far from perfect (not least in the ease in which it can be abused) but surely its a way better system than that of America? Sure, some people who could have afforded medical insurance but chose not to and are now paying the price may not gain too much sympathy but what about the construction worker who has never earned enough to pay for such insurance and who is now seriously ill with nowhere to go?This feller queued for hours through the night to see a free doctor (in a scheme set up by a Brit who had set up similar in "third world" countries) only to be told that his untreated hernia would likely kill him if he did not have quite a straight forward surgical procedure but , at 20K, there was no way he could afford it. IMO decent basic healthcare via a welfare system paid for via taxation should be an essential. Should people choose to spend their money on enhanced care (or education for that matter) fine but it seems very bizzare that such a "rich" nation should come to this in this century. Guess its all about the ever growing gap between rich and poor which clearly isnt just the case in such countries as Russia/India/China etc anymore

I agree. The current NHS was implemented by a socialist Labour government in 1948. The doctors bitterly opposed it at that time.

I don't recall the name of the Prime Minister in charge of that administration....

And a wonderful thing i was too - at that time.It has since grown into an enormous monster,which is incredibly innefficient,and to a large extent is run for those who work in it rather than the patients.Its one of the biggest gravy trains in the world,employing many people in many roles who/which are completely unnecessary.Its also one big gravy tain for its suppliers,particularily the drug companies,who charge what they like.
Government funding keeps rising espite the economic reality in the real world,but the funding cant keep up with the inflation in the NHS. It needs to change,it cant stay as it is,but those on the gravy train are fighting for their own self interest,and resisting change every step of the way.
Andrew Lansley has spent the last seven years devoted to studying the NHS and thinking/consulting what to do about it. As soon as he announced his findings the Limpdems jumped all over it an ripped it apart.Now those on the gravy train are trying to scupper whats left of his findings. There is a class of people in this country who think the great institutions of state exist for the purpose of keeping them in a certain lifestyle.The country needs rid of them before they destroy and bankrupt it imo. Were nearly there,it wont be long, unless someone grasps some nettles.

[albitz]

the actual situation differs somewhat from what we are led to believe by the media.  Besides, if our system was perfect we would have no homeless.......

Quite so, Guffers. Anyone who believes all the tripe that is put out by the BBC as supposedly independent and not agenda-driven must be hugely gullible. 

I read somewhere the other day that the Beeb has taken legal steps to prevent a report from being published on whether or not the Beebs coverage on Israel is biased.

Edit. Here it is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/15/bbc-wins-court-battle-not_n_1278452.html

[tigers_gonads]

And here is another one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349506/Left-wing-bias-Its-written-BBCs-DNA-says-Peter-Sissons.html


And no dribbling over Helen Flanigans t*ts either 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

And here is another one
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349506/Left-wing-bias-Its-written-BBCs-DNA-says-Peter-Sissons.html


And no dribbling over Helen Flanigans t*ts either 

.......too late TG.......