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V6 elite wont start
« on: 17 June 2012, 20:08:14 »
Please help... Just gone out to take my missus to her dads and my 98 omega v6 has just decided to gimp out on me... It started initially but then stalled after 3 seconds and now it's just turning the starter motor... All electrics are fine and I tried the spare key as well but still getting the same result any body experienced this before or know what this could possibly be and how much it will cost to fix?
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #1 on: 17 June 2012, 20:12:16 »
Paperclip it for codes, possible crank sensor http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.0
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #2 on: 17 June 2012, 20:12:54 »
Sorry this may be a silly question but have you got fuel and is it getting as far as the injectors ?.

Simple ti check by removing 1 of the fuel feeds to the fuel rail on the drivers side
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #3 on: 17 June 2012, 20:39:24 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 17 June 2012, 20:08:14
Please help... Just gone out to take my missus to her dads and my 98 omega v6 has just decided to gimp out on me... It started initially but then stalled after 3 seconds and now it's just turning the starter motor... All electrics are fine and I tried the spare key as well but still getting the same result any body experienced this before or know what this could possibly be and how much it will cost to fix?
had a similar thing on my 2.6 turned out to be maf sensor,but as robg has already said read codes first :y
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #4 on: 17 June 2012, 21:04:26 »
I'd go with Rob on this, crank sensor. This went on my old elite, did the same thing as yours has done.   

Do the paperclip test before you do anything else though :y
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #5 on: 17 June 2012, 21:19:46 »
Quote from: blackviper90210 on 17 June 2012, 21:04:26
I'd go with Rob on this, crank sensor. This went on my old elite, did the same thing as yours has done.   

Do the paperclip test before you do anything else though :y
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #6 on: 17 June 2012, 21:31:31 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 17 June 2012, 20:08:14
... All electrics are fine...

Is the e.m.l. coming on with the ignition? Is it flashing?

Also does the engine sound like it's turning over faster than usual? Maybe worth checking timing belt integrity...
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2012, 13:08:59 »
The engine itself isn't turning over at all... The fuel pump turns on and the starter motor is turning over but nothing is happening... Fuel is definitely getting to the piston chambers and the spark plugs are all igniting.. I almost want to say its like the part of the starter that cranks the engine isnt connected to anything if that make sense ?
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2012, 13:17:07 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 18 June 2012, 13:08:59
The engine itself isn't turning over at all... The fuel pump turns on and the starter motor is turning over but nothing is happening... Fuel is definitely getting to the piston chambers and the spark plugs are all igniting.. I almost want to say its like the part of the starter that cranks the engine isnt connected to anything if that make sense ?
Check the cambelt is still in one piece
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2012, 13:36:02 »
Checked that lol  :D
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #10 on: 18 June 2012, 13:43:38 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 18 June 2012, 13:08:59
The engine itself isn't turning over at all... The fuel pump turns on and the starter motor is turning over but nothing is happening... Fuel is definitely getting to the piston chambers and the spark plugs are all igniting.. I almost want to say its like the part of the starter that cranks the engine isnt connected to anything if that make sense ?

Where are you looking to tell whether your engine is turning over. You should be looking at the large pulley wheel right the bottom of the engine ie crank shaft pulley. If that's turning but the cams aren't (gently prise the cam cover forward and look at the cam pulleys) then it's as Rob suggests ..... your cam belt has gone.
Also, it's not unheard of for the flex plate - an automatic cars version of a flywheel - to crack around the bolts that hold it to the crankshaft. ....... which relates to your comment that the starter isn't connected to the engine.  :y :y
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #11 on: 18 June 2012, 13:53:03 »
Just done the paper clip test and is flashing up as 19 which is Incorrect rpm signal (1 flash followed by 9 flashes) any more help... Sorry to be a pain guys
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #12 on: 18 June 2012, 13:54:56 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 18 June 2012, 13:53:03
Just done the paper clip test and is flashing up as 19 which is Incorrect rpm signal (1 flash followed by 9 flashes) any more help... Sorry to be a pain guys

Crank shaft sensor failure, but that assumes that the engine is actually turning over
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #13 on: 18 June 2012, 14:02:29 »
I could be massively wrong.... But to be honest it just doesn't sound the way it normally does when I turn the key.... All I can hear is a loud whirring
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Re: V6 elite wont start
« Reply #14 on: 18 June 2012, 14:10:03 »
Quote from: D3f1anCE on 18 June 2012, 14:02:29
I could be massively wrong.... But to be honest it just doesn't sound the way it normally does when I turn the key.... All I can hear is a loud whirring

What can you see moving under the bonnet when someone else turns the key?  ;) ;) You're looking for the crank pulley to spin as above.  :y :y :y
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