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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: mega3.0v6 on 12 March 2012, 18:23:54
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Could somebody help me please....
I getting to point of insanity, I have changed wishbones twice now put polybushes in the front bush of the wishbone.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l26/Reno1916v/IMG_0208.jpg)
Had 4 wheel alignment (spelling)
And today i find this:
O/S
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N/S
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Now the problem i have been having is when braking it was pulling to the left since fitting polys it is i'd say 95% better on braking, What could be causeing this with the nearside wheel a little bit further back than the offside.
Thanks in advance.
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Yep, your castor angle is out, where did you have the alignment done?
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Ats with some new 4 wheel alignment kit.
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I would go back & ask if they checked your camber or castor.
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I would go back & ask if they checked your camber or castor.
I would go back and ask for your money back, then book it into WIM at Chesham .. seem to be the only folk who know what they are doing !!
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thats a big difference.. and I dont think it a simple misalignment problem :-\
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thats a big difference.. and I dont think it a simple misalignment problem :-\
Are you thinking the subframe could have moved? :-\
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thats a big difference.. and I dont think it a simple misalignment problem :-\
Are you thinking the subframe could have moved? :-\
WIM move the subframe to adjust castor ... so if it's "moveable" it might have "moved" on it s own .. or someone has been messing ......
Needs a "proper" setting up by someone who knows what they are doing IMHO
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As said subframe position needs correcting. Might also be caused by accident damage.
However, I've seen worse on my own cars with no pulling on the brakes.
So it's important to correct that issue first obviously.
Question no. 1. How tight are the wishbone bolts? I'm looking for a torque wrench setting figure. :)
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thats a big difference.. and I dont think it a simple misalignment problem :-\
have seen lots of cars worse than that.. generally big potholes or accidents can cause that..
my clit had that when I bought it.. and it required to visit to a chasis correction shop.. :-\
ps: never seen it on a miggy but before moving subframe, some distances must be measured ..
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Ats with some new 4 wheel alignment kit.
4 wheel alignment is as much use as a used johnny, smear in dogshit. Utterly pointless. At best, if the retards know how to use it, it only ensures that the rear wheels follow the front, irrespective of where the front my point.
Given your location, try WIM in Chesham. Mention OOF when booking for discount.
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If i remember i did torque bolts upto 210nm.
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120nm plus angle tighten 30 degrees then a further 15 degrees
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Plus you must do them up with the full weight of the car on them....
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Not with polly. Doesnt matter.
Oe bushes yes, wheels must be loaded with suspension arm sitting at correct ride hight.
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Not with polly. Doesnt matter.
Oe bushes yes, wheels must be loaded with suspension arm sitting at correct ride hight.
Cool just thought i'd mention it....
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If i remember i did torque bolts upto 210nm.
When did the pulling start? Before the wishbone change or after?
Why did you change wishbones?
Have brakes been inspected?
When you brake does the car drift left(?) on a level ish stearing wheel
Or does the the car go left(?) while the steering wheel turns the opposite way?
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Sorry torque was 120nm got the numbers wrong way round. I change the wishbones as the front bushes were gone and the ball joint rubber has fractured and my mot is at the end of the month so i changed both. Anyways the pulling started after the 1st set i put on. And on this set the rear bush basically went after 10 mile i'd say (ebay ones £69.99 with drop links.) Then i went and bought some from euro car parts. And i just put polys in. I have had my brakes checked and they balance up even on the rolling road to which the mot place i use have just had there rollers re-gripped. The car drives in a perfect straight line even when i take my hands off the wheel there is no pull until i brake to a stand still whilst braking there is no pull just as you are coming to a stop, which is weird cause if there was a problem with brakes or wishbone it would do it as soon as i press on the brakes. The only thing i can think of now is maybe one of the drop links is shagged not strong enough or suspension leg has a slight bend in it pulling the wheel back a bit..
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Does the pull start as you release brake pressure as the car comes to a halt?
I shall refrain from my usual "Lemforder only" post.
If you get stuck your welcome to bring it round here for a look see.
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No its only doing it as you are braking.
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So it was fine before the work...And it gave the exact same symptoms over two different sets of wishbones?
I'd be pulling the wheels off and check everything is tight including the wishbone ball joint clamp clamp on the stub axle (100nm) and that the rearward bush hasn't failed already.
I can't see drop links causing this, they work to control body roll.
...."sounds" like a less serious case of lower control arms (wishbones) failing to control the position of the front wheels, due to failed rear bush or loose bolts. But this is usually accompanied by the steering wheel pushing the opposite way to the pull.
If the steering wheel is following the pull normally, it may just be set up. But we can't tell how severe it is through a keyboard.
Any more than that is difficult to say. As TB says given your just up the road from wheels in motion in Chesham it might be worth a chat with Tony Bones and get them to look into it after you've double checked everything, but before setup (includes castor, camber and toe on the front, and camber/toe on the rear)
I'm not sure how Wim would charge if they found a fault needing repair first. So worth a phone call. mention oof and it's £60+vat iirc. Trouble is, spending that sort of money you need to be confident that's going to fix it.
It would be most annoying for the fault to remain.
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It's also worth checking the brakes. Could be a seized caliper on one side causing uneven braking.
Having said that, the wheel does look visibly out of alignment. Did you get a printout of before and after alignment? Can you scan it in and post it up if so?
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I was out today and remembered when i was changing the wishbones i had the o/s track rod undone from the hub and i asked my wife to turn the steering abit when i was on the nearside and she said the steering is stuck. Looking on the o/s i see the steering arm had fell and got wedged on the ground maybe this had bent a tad or moved something on the steering idler. Just a thought and will be going out later to look at everything there.
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Ok i have been out this evening and had a look at my front wishbones rear ward bush and had my boy bang on each lock left and right to see if any play, Now there is play there from what you would expect from rubber as a movement but when i put torch light in there i could see that the bush has failed in the way that where the metal tube is the rubber has lifted folded itself hard to explain, this is on the o/s of this is the case would my car pull to the left underbraking.The parts have only been on the car since january 12 and i have since changed the front bush with polys. But i think i have been given cheap ones and not the ones i paid for but there is no stamp on there to say who they were made by or date they were manufactured. And since put in the polys i have basically voided the warranty on them (i know Dumbass) Now i am going to have to purchase another set of wishbones which i cant afford now as i have been of work for 7 weeks with back problems and need car for my 15 mile journey to work. When fitted they were torqued correctly and fitted as per instructions, shows that cheap are shite. I might just bin the car and get myself a fiesta simple and better to run.
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I have just found these:
http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/VAUXHALL_OMEGA_DRIVERS_SIDE_FRONT_SUSPENSION_ARM_-_90576789T.html
It says "THIS IS A NEW VAUXHALL PART" is that a new part for a vauxhall or a genuine part i would not think they could sell that for £26.95 being a genuine part.
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I have just read the home page and they sell genuine vauxhall parts.
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No not genuine it has an N after the part number.........I would go for Lemforder..
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Any guesses from the populous what my next post will be...? (sigh...)
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I have just read the home page and they sell genuine vauxhall parts.
and if you truly believe you can get a "Genuine Vauxhall Part" at well less than a quarter of the normal retail price ...........
....... I've got some Government Bonds here I'll sell you ..they are worth £10,000 but you can have them for £100
:)
If you want a proper Lemforder part .. www.allgermanparts.co.uk
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/prod_906178-Control-arm-lower-NS-Omega-B-Lemforder-27734-02-90-576-788.html
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Cool i'll have em just uploading pic to show condition of bush.
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Just to add....my driveway is a half mile off road track with super big holes, cobbles, puddles etc etc....lemforder last twice or three times longer than other lower arms i've bought....
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Ok seriously please lol. I knew that but surely that must be against trade description.
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Ok seriously please lol. I knew that but surely that must be against trade description.
Nope ... he sells Vauxhall Parts .... parts for Vauxhalls ..
not
Vauxhall Parts'... parts made by Vauxhall
quite legal .... :(
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Missed that bit :(
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Seen worse tbh. But that has failed.
I will never personally recommend anything other than Lemforder for wishbones.
Get them from allgermanparts.com not a factors. £130 to the door last I looked. Latest ones are date stamped.
You will need a nut for the sensor bolt if you have hids though.
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Can you not just fit genuine VX bushes to your arms???
As for VAUXHALL CAR PARTS, his home page states "We are a specialist in and have massive stocks of NEW GENUINE VAUXHALL CAR SPARE PARTS"
This does imply they are GENUINE VAUXHALL CAR SPARE PARTS no???
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Would that be the reason for the pulling to the left.
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Would that be the reason for the pulling to the left.
I also have a ford that pulled and that was a failed bush..... Can't for the Omega though.....
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Would that be the reason for the pulling to the left.
Difficult to say, but there is no point getting the car set up with those rearward bushes in that state. Rectify the fault, be sure to re torque the bolts correctly ( no need for wheels to be loaded if pollyed) to 120nm plus 30 plus 15 degrees. Then get Wim to check the car over before set up.
However if you can get the car over here, happy to go over it with you.
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I will rectify somehow what would be best new wishbones or change that bush.
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I will rectify somehow what would be best new wishbones or change that bush.
Cheapest would be to press a new bush in. IF you have the resources to do it yourself. Paying a professional to do it isn't viable as it takes too long. May as well fit new wb complete.
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It takes about 1 ton of pressure to press the rear bush. Logistics is the thing with pressing. DIY the whole job or , remove wb's DIY then find a garage with a press and ask them to press bushes in... ?
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Well i think im sorted bit frightened to brake hard to find out. :D Fitted my poly's to wishbones and popped over to WIM today and WOW what a difference to the drive. The journey to Chesham from Hemel on the A41 bypass was all over the place i a way got the car on the ramp have a few problems with castor and camber general wheel alignment. Guy at wim explain what needed doing and done top place thanks wim..
Will post figures later.