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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 26 March 2012, 19:08:36
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This Wednesday many schools in London will be shut due to NUT action. Unite tanker drivers have also voted to strike on dates to be announced (could be Easter?).
My own view is that neither strike is beneficial to anyone, will not succeed, and will only serve to harden positions - whilst inconveniencing the general public. >:(
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Panic stations !!!!!! Everyone will be panic buying thats for sure :(
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This Wednesday many schools in London will be shut due to NUT action. Unite tanker drivers have also voted to strike on dates to be announced (could be Easter?).
My own view is that neither strike is beneficial to anyone, will not succeed, and will only serve to harden positions - whilst inconveniencing the general public. >:(
Withdrawl of labour (which is the prerogative of every working person) sounds less emotive.There may be good reason why the workforce feel the need to take such action.
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i beleve the tanker drivers dispute is over saftey issues lets face it who likes the idea of a tanker full of fule right up your back end with a tired driver????
not me
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This Wednesday many schools in London will be shut due to NUT action. Unite tanker drivers have also voted to strike on dates to be announced (could be Easter?).
My own view is that neither strike is beneficial to anyone, will not succeed, and will only serve to harden positions - whilst inconveniencing the general public. >:(
Withdrawl of labour (which is the prerogative of every working person) sounds less emotive.There may be good reason why the workforce feel the need to take such action.
Perhaps you should tell that to the NUT, Opti. The word "strike" is used 5 times on their home page! :P;)
http://www.teachers.org.uk/ (http://www.teachers.org.uk/)
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is this a local srike (teachers that is) heard not thing about it.. :y
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is this a local srike (teachers that is) heard not thing about it.. :y
Yes. London Boroughs only.
e.g. Here. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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i beleve the tanker drivers dispute is over saftey issues lets face it who likes the idea of a tanker full of fule right up your back end with a tired driver????
not me
The old elf & safety chestnut is again being used as a tool to put fear/sympathy into the public mind. ::) ::)
Chris Kingshott, managing director of Wincanton (a distribution company) said they had "voluntarily joined a new Unite forum last December, set up to help establish industry-wide standards on safety and training." "The meetings were "hijacked" by militant union bosses keen to attack pay and other terms at the company, he said.
The Somerset-based business, which employs 16,000 staff, pays its 450 drivers £45,000 a year before overtime, putting their wage rate in the top 25pc of haulage companies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9166214/Oil-tanker-boss-holds-firm-amid-risk-of-strike-by-drivers.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9166214/Oil-tanker-boss-holds-firm-amid-risk-of-strike-by-drivers.html)
It's politically motivated, IMHO. Nowt to do with anything else. :(
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ah i see (i am in kent which is a black hole sometimes lol)....thing is the teachers what have they got to strike over ffs circa 14 weeks holiday and staff development days and the pay once past the initial training is pretty good :y
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Sack the lot of them.Teachers - pay, conditions etc. - dont know they are born.
Tanker drivers - dead mans shoes jobs.waiting list for years to get on them. £45,000 p.a. and they are never happy.Theres millions of people out of work, including many thousands of HGV drivers - sack the tinkers.
And lock up the union leaders for subversion of democracy - life sentences please.
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Sack the lot of them.Teachers - pay, conditions etc. - dont know they are born.
Tanker drivers - dead mans shoes jobs.waiting list for years to get on them. £45,000 p.a. and they are never happy.Theres millions of people out of work, including many thousands of HGV drivers - sack the tinkers.
And lock up the union leaders for subversion of democracy - life sentences please.
Nothing radical then Albs ...... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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No,that would involve the army and live rounds. ;) ;D
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Sack the lot of them.Teachers - pay, conditions etc. - dont know they are born.
Tanker drivers - dead mans shoes jobs.waiting list for years to get on them. £45,000 p.a. and they are never happy.Theres millions of people out of work, including many thousands of HGV drivers - sack the tinkers.
And lock up the union leaders for subversion of democracy - life sentences please.
Lmao ;D ;D :y
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£45k :o :o :o I have an HGV, point me in the right direction......
Seriously though I filled up today as I do every Monday, the most I may squeeze may be 10 days or so, if the garages run dry I will not be able to get into work so will have to take either holiday or unpaid leave................and if they do this over Easter then the General Public really are going to be behind them...... >:( >:( >:(
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Got an HGV licence and an adr but still cant get in it really is dead mens shoes or you know someone that can get you in also age is a factor as well even if they say its not ::)
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Panic stations !!!!!! Everyone will be panic buying thats for sure :(
They were this morning in Sainsburys! 18 minutes it took me to get to a pump! Couldn't get out either because of an idiot in an Astra had stopped literally cm's from my bumper.
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I filled up today as ......
So did I .......... twice! ??? ??? I took her Smart out this dinner time and realised it was flashing at me for more fuel. Called in at the local Tescos & it was queueing off the forecourt! ??? ??? I knew my Astra needed diesel so took that to the same Tesco about an hour ago, it was still not much better! £100+ of fuel in one day! :'(
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Im glad I went to Norwich today and collected my "new" car. Its being run on recycled cooking oil which Im getting f.o.c. from a local cafe. :)
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Im glad I went to Norwich today and collected my "new" car. Its being run on recycled cooking oil which Im getting f.o.c. from a local cafe. :)
Is it eco friendly :-\
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Couldnt give a toss tbh.Its free. ;) ;D ;D
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Couldnt give a toss tbh.Its free. ;) ;D ;D
;D chip shop run will suit you fine 8)
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Just read this comment on the BBC news website re: tanker drivers:
"my partner is a tanker driver. They work massivley long hours, often up to 15 hours per day. They carry not only fuels but a variety of exceedingly dangerous and corrosive substances. They have to meet deadlines and contracts and UK drivers are trained to a very high standard - often undercut by firms from abroad with no training - all this and driving vehicles that only do 8 miles per gallon...."
I had no idea that tanker drivers had to pay for their own fuel! Puts their grievances in a completely different light...
;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just read this comment on the BBC news website re: tanker drivers:
"my partner is a tanker driver. They work massivley long hours, often up to 15 hours per day. They carry not only fuels but a variety of exceedingly dangerous and corrosive substances. They have to meet deadlines and contracts and UK drivers are trained to a very high standard - often undercut by firms from abroad with no training - all this and driving vehicles that only do 8 miles per gallon...."
I had no idea that tanker drivers had to pay for their own fuel! Puts their grievances in a completely different light...
;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i guess if they are self employed they would have too but i am not sure they are allowed to be any more.. :y
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Just read this comment on the BBC news website re: tanker drivers:
"my partner is a tanker driver. They work massivley long hours, often up to 15 hours per day. They carry not only fuels but a variety of exceedingly dangerous and corrosive substances. They have to meet deadlines and contracts and UK drivers are trained to a very high standard - often undercut by firms from abroad with no training - all this and driving vehicles that only do 8 miles per gallon...."
I had no idea that tanker drivers had to pay for their own fuel! Puts their grievances in a completely different light...
;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
.. and does it really make any rather difference to the driver whether it's milk or 95 RON in the back?
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Just read this comment on the BBC news website re: tanker drivers:
"my partner is a tanker driver. They work massivley long hours, often up to 15 hours per day. They carry not only fuels but a variety of exceedingly dangerous and corrosive substances. They have to meet deadlines and contracts and UK drivers are trained to a very high standard - often undercut by firms from abroad with no training - all this and driving vehicles that only do 8 miles per gallon...."
I had no idea that tanker drivers had to pay for their own fuel! Puts their grievances in a completely different light...
;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Exactly. ;D
It would make sense if the driver was paying per dram for a good 18 year old malt as fuel but, FFS, its company diesel so - who gives a whatsit??
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Eventually, they price / strike themselves out of a job. >:( >:( >:(
Think ship building, car manufacturing, ship building, newspapers, then the Marxist union morons move on to their next target.
My younger brother, used to work for a local paper who did their own printing. Militant union rep and his senior brothers caused all sorts of trivial disputes. My younger brother could see the writing on the wall, local paper sold out the national printing group, who kept local journalists and closed the printing works. >:( >:( >:(
Bob Crow is always calling underground drivers out on strike 23 in 4 years. Boris Johnston has had enough, his aim is to have the whole network automated ASAP, Northern line will be by 2014 and most other lines by 2018, so no drivers required.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/rowena-mason/9166138/Boris-Johnson-to-challenge-unions-with-driverless-trains.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/rowena-mason/9166138/Boris-Johnson-to-challenge-unions-with-driverless-trains.html)
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It always gets me when they quote 85% voted to strike, then you find out only 30% bothered to vote.
Militant minoritory wins.
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Strike action was indeed decided upon by a minority of the members concerned.
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Non voters are counted as agreeing. Rightly or wrongly this is what all governments and councils and boardrooms etc. use to get things passed. Bit unfair to to say unions are not allowed to use the same tactic as our elected officials.
I am not saying I agree with the strike, but it does seem the average working person is shouldering more of the burden of the recession than those that caused it.
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Non voters are counted as agreeing. Rightly or wrongly this is what all governments and councils and boardrooms etc. use to get things passed. Bit unfair to to say unions are not allowed to use the same tactic as our elected officials.
I am not saying I agree with the strike, but it does seem the average working person is shouldering more of the burden of the recession than those that caused it.
...and it would be even more of a burden if Labour had held power.
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Assuming that is aimed at the banks ? There was an utter bloodbath in the banking sector when the sh1t first hit the fan.Massive job losses,pay cuts etc. but no-one took any notice.It then worked its way through the rest of the private sector and is now affecting the public sector.
All very inevitable,but I dont see what it has to do with overpaid pampered tanker drivers going on strike. :-\
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Passed a few petrol stations and supermarkets earlier today and there are queues forming already. :(
Not on the scale of a few years back, but certainly enough to make sure that they run dry a lot quicker than usual.
Even if fuel deliveries stay at the normal level, there'll be shortages soon due to the sheer amount of people filling up.
Definitely using the Corsa for now (45mpg)
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Panic buying = Lemmings.
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"Strike strike strike. Why do we bother Fawlty?"
"Didn't know you did Major?"
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Dont care-getting to the point of not being able to afford £7 a gallon,so stuff the whole lot of the selfish,greedy B******S >:( >:( >:(
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I filled up at asda this morning, I had the place to myself.
There is not much chance of a strike at all, never mind at Easter.
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Assuming that is aimed at the banks ? There was an utter bloodbath in the banking sector when the sh1t first hit the fan.Massive job losses,pay cuts etc. but no-one took any notice.It then worked its way through the rest of the private sector and is now affecting the public sector.
All very inevitable,but I dont see what it has to do with overpaid pampered tanker drivers going on strike. :-\
Was not aimed at anyone sector in particular.
I remember seeing the news pictures of those bank workers leaving with cardboard boxes in hand. How many of them are out of work now ? how many f them are earning less today than they where 3 years ago ? Compare that to average Joe whose wages have stagnated or gone down, and there costs increased dramatically.
You may not believe it by I am generally right wing. I have even been accused of being a fascist. The problem nowadays is the complete lack of morals in any business, least that is how I see it. And if it can turn someone as right wing as I am then there must be something wrong.
Not looking for an argument, or trying to be sarcastic or anything like that.
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Unfortunately, the US and UK had a good bank regulatory system, which was dismantled by Clinton in the US and the Fool
McRuin Brown in the UK.
Now that doesn't excuse the bank's for behaving how some of them have, RBS, BOS (both in located in McRuin land) so had to be rescued, Northern Rock wasn't so could effectively go to the wall. But Barclays and HSBC were prudent enough not to need Government handouts.
But the banks problems are only a very small part of what is a much, much bigger problem the politicians, who have spent our money and borrowed on our behalf, our children's behalf, along with our grand children and great grand children. The longest dated Government bonds are currently for 50 years, so your grand children and great grand children will have to pay them back.
IMHO the problems with capitalism are National / Multinational cartels, again politicians have allowed this to happen, by allowing take-overs as long as a company does not have more than 25% of a market. This should have been set at 5%, so instead of a semi-monopoly 4, like Tesco / Sainsburys / Asda / Morrisons which is a good example, there would be instead 20 brands all vying for our business. Barriers of entry to starting and running a new business, through red tape, high taxation means less savings and also there is a lack of bank lending to fund a business. More successful SMEs would help to spread wealth more evenly through society.
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Unfortunately, the US and UK had a good bank regulatory system, which was dismantled by Clinton in the US and the Fool McRuin Brown in the UK.
Now that doesn't excuse the bank's for behaving how some of them have, RBS, BOS (both in located in McRuin land) so had to be rescued, Northern Rock wasn't so could effectively go to the wall. But Barclays and HSBC were prudent enough not to need Government handouts.
But the banks problems are only a very small part of what is a much, much bigger problem the politicians, who have spent our money and borrowed on our behalf, our children's behalf, along with our grand children and great grand children. The longest dated Government bonds are currently for 50 years, so your grand children and great grand children will have to pay them back.
IMHO the problems with capitalism are National / Multinational cartels, again politicians have allowed this to happen, by allowing take-overs as long as a company does not have more than 25% of a market. This should have been set at 5%, so instead of a semi-monopoly 4, like Tesco / Sainsburys / Asda / Morrisons which is a good example, there would be instead 20 brands all vying for our business. Barriers of entry to starting and running a new business, through red tape, high taxation means less savings and also there is a lack of bank lending to fund a business. More successful SMEs would help to spread wealth more evenly through society.
Good assessment, Rods! :y
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I suspect that strikes will be a regular feature of life going forward.
Austerity must be introduced(apparently). Whatever measures are introduced are not really noticed by the well off. They are however significant to the poor and lower paid who after all make up the bulk of the populace. A lot of families exist in Spain on less than 1000 (maybe £900) euros a month before tax. Take another 50 euros a week off them and it makes a huge difference to life
Spain has got a general strike on the 29th April. I haven't seen anywhere what it is actually about other than a protest about the new national(Conservative) governments already introduced measures and the ones they are going to hit us with on the 30th April.
Interestingly our olive oil co operative decided to shut on the 29th for the day which is damned inconvenient as it is the busiest time of the year!
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Your national strike was in the news today, Varche..
You meant this one (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120984/Spains-high-class-hookers-ban-sex-bankers-provide-credit-cash-strapped-economy.html), right? ;)
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That is the one!
We have been on strike for three days now and we don't think they can withstand much more,' added the woman, known as Ana MG.
She obviously hasn't had DSK as a client :o :o
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Passed a few petrol stations and supermarkets earlier today and there are queues forming already. :(
Not on the scale of a few years back, but certainly enough to make sure that they run dry a lot quicker than usual.
Even if fuel deliveries stay at the normal level, there'll be shortages soon due to the sheer amount of people filling up.
Definitely using the Corsa for now (45mpg)
If the government advise the country to fill up where poss this will happen
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I filled up at asda this morning, I had the place to myself.
There is not much chance of a strike at all, never mind at Easter.
I filled the wifes car up at asda this morning, two other cars there.
There was also a chap cleaning his ferrets in the jet wash.
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I filled up at asda this morning, I had the place to myself.
There is not much chance of a strike at all, never mind at Easter.
I filled the wifes car up at asda this morning, two other cars there.
There was also a chap cleaning his ferrets in the jet wash.
I went to asda to get a few bits tonight, garage closed, no fuel ;D
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I suspect that strikes will be a regular feature of life going forward.
Austerity must be introduced(apparently). Whatever measures are introduced are not really noticed by the well off. They are however significant to the poor and lower paid who after all make up the bulk of the populace. A lot of families exist in Spain on less than 1000 (maybe £900) euros a month before tax. Take another 50 euros a week off them and it makes a huge difference to life
Spain has got a general strike on the 29th April. I haven't seen anywhere what it is actually about other than a protest about the new national(Conservative) governments already introduced measures and the ones they are going to hit us with on the 30th April.
Interestingly our olive oil co operative decided to shut on the 29th for the day which is damned inconvenient as it is the busiest time of the year!
Was in Santander yesteday and today and they were all complaining about it.