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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Bionic on 07 October 2012, 07:09:17
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This will no doubt be a controversial subject but my question is based on many many years of following his career and many involvements in his charity work. I am angry that they have had the gall to attempt to destroy the memory of a selfless man.
My question is simply this:
Why are these allegations being made after his death without any substantiating evidence other than a word of mouth by persons who remain to be, and more than likely were at the time of the alleged offences, not what you call pretty by any meaning of the word?
I have personally witnessed many times the young, slim very pretty things that attached themselves to his arm and no doubt had some form of relationship with him with their full permission and consent. For someone who was constantly under the public eye it baffles me how this could happen without being reported before. Strangely no reports were ever seen about anything untoward then. It is only now when he is deceased that the (stay away from a mirror) lip flappers who no doubt seek publicity crawl out of the woodwork to attack his reputation and memory.
One thing I did notice during their pathetic TV inteviews was that they committed the act of repeatedly looking down and to their left while making their statements to the interviewer. That act in body language indicates an extremely high probablitity of the person not telling the truth! They look directly at the camera until they make their allegation and immediately look down to the left before raising their eyes again at the end of the allegation.
One look at those who have generated this outcry gives me the belief that they are all seeking their five minutes fame, their ill deserved monetary payments by the low qaulity and repuitation press who only seek to improve their readership numbers and having their unpleasant faces and figures seen by all. All I have is pity for those who are so sad that they feel the need to stoop to the level of insulting the dead who cannot defend themselves and the memories that their still grieving families hold of them.
I have stopped short of the more accurate facial and bodily description of those who have made the allegations in case I were banned for making my point.
Waiting now for the outcry...........but my viewpoint will not change without absolute concrete irrefutable proof of some form of DNA evidence!
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I did not watch the program. I felt it was so distasteful to assasinate the credibility of a person who was not able to defend himself. Another case of the gutter press trying to wave their tacky flag.
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I did not watch the program. I felt it was so distasteful to assasinate the credibility of a person who was not able to defend himself. Another case of the gutter press trying to wave their tacky flag.
i agree with you . why didn't they come out with it when he was alive :y :y
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Wrong choice of words.
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I agree that the allegations warrant investigation by the police, but not to the media circus.
A story of great "public interest" with the victim / accused no longer able to defend himself (or sue) is manna from heaven to the gutter press, of course. :(
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I didn't see the program either, but as I understand it, some of the alleged incidents were reported to the police five years ago :-\
Why nothing was said or done then is a matter for speculation. Either there was a lack of evidence or the incidents were swept under the carpet... the net result was the same :-\
The current circus is nothing compared to what might have happened had these allegations been made public whilst he was still alive. Now he's no longer with us he cannot defend himself, but if the allegations bare any truth to the then what he did was indefensible anyway :-\, equally these allegations should not detract in anyway from his unfaltering devotion to the numerous charities that he worked tirelessly for.
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My question is simply this:
Why are these allegations being made after his death without any substantiating evidence other than a word of mouth by persons who remain to be, and more than likely were at the time of the alleged offences, not what you call pretty by any meaning of the word?
It is only now when he is deceased that the (stay away from a mirror) lip flappers who no doubt seek publicity crawl out of the woodwork to attack his reputation and memory..........
One look at those who have generated this outcry gives me the belief that they are all seeking their five minutes fame, their ill deserved monetary payments by the low qaulity and repuitation press who only seek to improve their readership numbers and having their unpleasant faces and figures seen by all.........
I have stopped short of the more accurate facial and bodily description of those who have made the allegations in case I were banned for making my point.
I didn't watch this program but I'm starting to get the impression from the OP that all of the accusers are facially challenged. ;)
Not that I'm suggesting that ugly people don't get a fair hearing you understand. ;) ;) :y :y
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Pointless charade in my opinion. What are the powers that be going to do if the allegations hold water?
How exactly will they punish "Old Jim?"
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By tarnishing his reputation, which by virtue of allegation, has already happened :'(
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I have perceived this as the media sensationalising someone high profile to boost viewing/reader numbers. Then others jumping on the bandwagon to promote their own exposure or fame
To look at it from one perspective.
Throughout time the has been exploitation in varying degree's, slavery, serfdom, child labour, etc, etc. As this has been recognised as unacceptable, society has sought to correct this. At some point in time our society set an age limit on sexual consent and implemented laws to protect from exploitation. The problem is that this is not consistent across all societies and there has been a culture of overlooking infringement, in certain instances. >:(
In this instance it is young girls caught up in the celebrity lime light and their vulnerability exploited. What happend back in the sixties and seventies you could say was overlooked and deemed as normal and acceptable. The eighties and nineties did see a change in opinion and was more rigorously pursued and exposed. So did this individual carry on with his "exploits" throughout this later period. This would appear , so far, not to be the case.
In very recent times OUR respective protective agencies have "overlooked" the exploitation of vulnerable, under aged, individuals here in Rochdale and in South Yorkshire. These oversight's being carried out for more insidious reasons than a celebrities position or fund raising. (and there is more of this yet to come out). In this instance should those agencies, and the individuals involved, be vilified and considered for prosecution as are the controllers of the media at the time.
OR as is usual would a review and change in procedures with better training be implemented :o :o :o ???
Is it right that we are informed and allowed form our own opinions?, YES, and should never be stopped
Is it right for the law to be ignored for certain individuals or creeds? NO, NO, NO and one more time NO
As a footnote these would be UK law's brought about with the consensus of UK society and not one's imposed on us by other societies ::) :-X
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I dont think nay objective person could now claim he didnt do what the press are saying he did.Fellow DJ,s from the time have said they witnessed him doing things with young girls,they have also said it was an open secret within the BBC what he was and what he did,and his own nephew has now revealed that uncle Jim used to take him to paedo orgies in London where the very young kids were supplied to the rich & powereful by a priest.
The nephew says he was never abused himself,but was used as a playmate,companion for the youngs kids who were.
Its a shame hes not still alive imo,as if he was we could gas him like a sick mixy rabbit.
The story has moved on however from just being about Saville. Its now starting too look like there was a culture of it at the BBC at the time,and the management chose to turn a blind eye to the whole thing.That could turn out to be the really explosive part of the story,depending on just how much is unearthed the further they dig.
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I so wish this had come to light while he was alive. Then the sick bastard would have got his just desserts and the fawning, affected bunch of sycophants that hung on his coat tails would have had to crawl back under their stones.
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Yep. :y
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By tarnishing his reputation, which by virtue of allegation, has already happened :'(
But will he care?
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I think the BBC will live to regret the day they ruled out a full internal or even better external inquiry. Much more long term damage was done to the Catholic church through their complicity when they knew what was going on and their continued evasion and obstruction of justice, till very often the priest who was at the centre of these allegations died.
I think the covering up and / or the brushing over of such allegations means that the the individuals involved be it the BBC, the state and their officials or anyone else are then complicit to these awful crimes. The slime who commit these crimes should never be allowed to get away with this disgusting and repulsive behaviour by hiding behind fame, religion, position or anything else.
The fact we can't and won't protect young children is a damning inditement of what I consider a very sick UK society, which is tarnishing further the UK's very low international reputation.
Belgium still carries that burden of guilt around its neck for the big known about pedophile rings that for 20 years were ignored. Belgium is still famous for that and also its chocolate.
Personally, I don't care about Jimmy Savile or his reputation, if the allegations are true, and to me I think they are with the amount of evidence coming to light, including his own autobiography or that of any other person that carries out such repulsive disgusting crimes.
The only people I care about are the victims and the devastating impact it has on their lives for ALL of their life. I think you will find many of the victims felt they would never be believed as it seems to be par for the course that these revolting abusers will make that quite clear as part of the abuse process that by telling anybody their lives will get much, much worse. Remember, anybody who has been a victim of abuse has to carry the memories and guilt and problems this causes around with them for ALL of their lives. Many abuse victims have drug and alcohol abuse problems and have difficulty in trusting anybody and forming normal relationships with very often long term depression and mental illnesses as a result. :'( :'( :'(
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I had this link past to me friday night.
I do not vouch for its accuracy in any way but if you have a open mind and bearing in mind what has been proved to have happened in Belgium and with the Cathloic church, I suggest folks take the time to read it.
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/bbcs-jimmy-savile-and-child-abuse-cover.html
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There was always a bit of 'smoke' following jimmy saville and these accusations.Its now turning into a forest fire.
Jimmy saville lying about his presence (or absence of it) at the Jersey childrens home Haut de la Garenne didnt help his credibility.Neither did it help to support the actions of gary glitter a convicted peadophile.
Maybe the 'witness's' were too scared to come forward at the time.
Being dead now does not mean he is immune to justice nor those who may have protected him,allegedly.
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It would seem that there's a whole lot more to Saville than his charity work :-\ the real tragedy of his death is that he will not have to answer these allegations, nor face justice should they be proven.
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It would seem that there's a whole lot more to Saville than his charity work :-\ the real tragedy of his death is that he will not have to answer these allegations, nor face justice should they be proven.
Sadly, it sounds like too many establishment figures were part of his ring, for there to ever be any sort of justice for any of the victims.
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The Louis Thoroux interview pretty much nailed savilles mindset.Anyone who thinks its ok to have indecent pictures of kids on your computer is a wrongun,the alarm bells couldnt ring any louder.
Talking of the 'establishment' when a leader of one of the main Political parties 'endorses' smacking little boys bare bottoms then you have to wonder.
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Wrong choice of words.
Hardly the wrong choice of words for such an emotive subject but they could have and should have been a lot stronger!
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End of the day whatever the truth may be it cannot overide what the Catholic Church sanctified when it was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that their own priests were as guilty as hell of the same type of activity. It took massive worldwide publicity before the pontif even acknowledged that it could have happened....let alone did......Eventually the truth did emerge though so time will tell as always..... until then and undeniable concrete proof is shown all there are are allegations which for one reason or another are now being made. Strange though that no Police person past or present has come out about it for a bit of the press monetary incentives.......WHY? After all they would have inside information to give as being part of the system it was reported to....if it ever was....where is the proof of the fact that it was? I still believe that it is an attempt for some to push their mugs into the limelight because they are otherwise inconspicuous!
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Pointless charade in my opinion. What are the powers that be going to do if the allegations hold water?
How exactly will they punish "Old Jim?"
Previous post was a bit sick ::) Luckily had time to 'modify' and tender apologies! :-[
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Seems there's a bit of a pattern developing with these 'amnesiacs' who hide behind their lawyers and injunctions until their memories are suitably jogged.
Freddie Stars now had to make a U turn,good old ITV and their archives.
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I think these stories and denials have much further to run.
After Freddy Star saying he had only met Jimmy Savile twice and had never been on one of his shows and had got an injunction to stop his accuser from making any further comment of her so called false accusations.
A picture is found of him with his accuser on Jimmy Savile's Clunk Click program.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9595319/Freddie-Starr-did-appear-on-Jimmy-Savile-show-with-accuser.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9595319/Freddie-Starr-did-appear-on-Jimmy-Savile-show-with-accuser.html)
I think this illustrates very well why Jimmy Savile got away with it and what would of happened to any accuser or journalist if he was still alive.
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I did see the programme, and the witnesses all came across as being completely honest and in no way looking for their "5 mins of fame"
There were credible people who worked at the bbc also saying that his fondness for young girls was no secret ( although why nothing was done about it beggars belief)
There was one person on the show who had absolutely no doubt that after watching the interviews by the people claiming Saville molested them, they were telling the truth and that Saville was guilty, she said it with tears in her eyes.... That person was Esther Rantzen, if anyone knows the truth when she hears it its her when it comes to child abuse.
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What a can of worms this is turning out to be!!! :o
I bet there are many people who worked at the BBC during the 1970's and 80's who are having sleepless nights right now!! ::)
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The sad thing about all this is that we only ever see the very tip of the iceberg in child abuse.
It is rife in society. The "trusted baby sitter", the church, boys clubs, fathers, brothers etc etc Always has been. The perpetrators are very very cunning and put the guilt on the little ones ensuring they don't speak out.
personal family experiences multiplied by society equals a lot. It is happening in your street.
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What a can of worms this is turning out to be!!! :o
I bet there are many people who worked at the BBC during the 1970's and 80's who are having sleepless nights right now!! ::)
Of that I am sure...... :-X :-X
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The sad thing about all this is that we only ever see the very tip of the iceberg in child abuse.
It is rife in society. The "trusted baby sitter", the church, boys clubs, fathers, brothers etc etc Always has been. The perpetrators are very very cunning and put the guilt on the little ones ensuring they don't speak out.
personal family experiences multiplied by society equals a lot. It is happening in your street.
agree whole heartedly ........
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Met police now say saville was a predatory sex offender spanning 40 years (only 40 surely that will be revised in due course).Hopefully this will be the start of the process to strip him of his 'honours' and get some form of justice for his victims and expose all the others complicit in this cover up and responsible for forcing themselves on vulnerable children.Be interesting to see just how long the Vatican will remain silent and if they are honest enough to strip him of his Papal knighthood ?
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The sad thing about all this is that we only ever see the very tip of the iceberg in child abuse.
It is rife in society. The "trusted baby sitter", the church, boys clubs, fathers, brothers etc etc Always has been. The perpetrators are very very cunning and put the guilt on the little ones ensuring they don't speak out.
personal family experiences multiplied by society equals a lot. It is happening in your street.
agree whole heartedly ........
Whilst some of this may be true.....there are milions and millions of us out there who are not child molesters, etc etc. I love my grandchildren to bits and would not harm or touch them in any way. Its this poncy world full of do gooders that try to make people like me 'sinners' because the grandchildren want 'to have a bath with Grampy' etc. When they asked the question, I said to swmbo 'what do you reckon'...she said 'keep your pants on'. When my daughter in law was told, she could not stop laughing.....but the do gooders would have us up in court >:(
If Jimmy Saville or any other, dead or alive, is proven do have done these things, then they should suffer whatever consequenses follow.
The church (which I have no time for) as the so called 'Leaders of Humanity' are disgraceful when it comes to harbouring their own.
Why is it, that when people become rich and famous, they think they have the right to do whatever they want...child molesting, drugs, behaving like animals...its a sick, sick sick world
post cutting short before I really go off on one......sorry
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Nice one terbert..
Only one problem I have......It would not be the first time that the so called infallible MET have been wrong would it? And why WHY has it taken 40 years to bring it to the light because there surely must have been many reports if Jimmy was the monster he is now portrayed to have been? If it is true then it shows that the MET are incompetent or were covering up the crime. Which will it be because it is either one or the other! Sorry, but I would need to be able to see photographic evidence (private parts hidden) at the very least because I do not believe for one instant that all of the allegations are true and very doubtful with the others. Who in hell would want to molest an ugly.............and from the pictures seen that is proof enough for me at thgis time. A few moments of fame in the public eye and no doubt a book to follow to raise a bit of extra cash.
As for the church of whatever calling I fully agree. In my view simply because there has never, ever been any proof that was scientifically founded it is mere support network for the weak willed and of low self esteem. The criminals of the matter are those who lead the churches/religions and derive a high standard of living from it! Those who contribute to it are mere fools. I wont go on about those who have been 'through the white light tunnel and returned' because that has now been proven to be a chemical reaction in the brain as it prepares to shut down. It is only the advancement of being able to rescusitate that has made it so common!
Oh yeah, and when I die, which has been proven by science time and time again, the only thing I expect is that my life energy will transform into another form of energy/matter because energy (even if its only compost) can only be transformed - it cannot be destroyed or ended.
Let the religous believers believe and find out at their demise that they were so wrong.................too late then to change their minds ;D
but if it is true then I will still get into heaven because all sins are forgiven...........stopping now cos my jaw aches with laughing at the stupidity of it :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I still have my doubts about the validity of the claims, although the tide of opinion is falling in favour of him being guilty. If this is proved to be the case then he must be castigated, and have his honours removed. He can no longer be brought to justice but those involved with these shameful acts must be brought to book, including those responsible for any cover up. :(
Why have the victims never come forward before, when he was alive ( after money)? Previous investigations proved false or lacking in evidence. Nobody is naming others they claim were involved or knew of the abuse ( with the exception of Paul Gadd a convicted paedophile, and Freddie Starr another odd ball). Why were so called vulnerable children allowed out of a remand home at that age. A few photographs from broadcast programmes only prove the people were there. Far too many questions which need answering and it is going to take at least a year before we known the truth. :(
As an aside I reckon the family have not removed his headstones so as not to cause offence but more likely to stop them being vandalised.
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30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.
If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.
If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.
I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.
The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.
The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more ;)
I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
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I still have my doubts about the validity of the claims, although the tide of opinion is falling in favour of him being guilty. If this is proved to be the case then he must be castigated, and have his honours removed. He can no longer be brought to justice but those involved with these shameful acts must be brought to book, including those responsible for any cover up. :(
Why have the victims never come forward before, when he was alive ( after money)? Previous investigations proved false or lacking in evidence. Nobody is naming others they claim were involved or knew of the abuse ( with the exception of Paul Gadd a convicted paedophile, and Freddie Starr another odd ball). Why were so called vulnerable children allowed out of a remand home at that age. A few photographs from broadcast programmes only prove the people were there. Far too many questions which need answering and it is going to take at least a year before we known the truth. :(
As an aside I reckon the family have not removed his headstones so as not to cause offence but more likely to stop them being vandalised.
I think I would agree with that :y
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30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.
If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.
If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.
I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.
The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.
The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more ;)
I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
Couldn't agree more.Why did these kids not come forward before ? That is definitely no defence. Why do they come forward now ? Well at the last count there are apparently 120 and i am sure it will be many hundreds if not thousands if they all came forward.You have to remember these were young kids being groomed and no doubt as they grew up felt the shame of it all and kept quiet to protect their new lives and relationships.His own family must have been aware of some of this and have lndeed alluded to this in the past.There are almost certain to be others involved who are still alive.
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30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.
If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.
If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.
I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.
The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.
The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more ;)
I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
Couldn't agree more.Why did these kids not come forward before ? That is definitely no defence. Why do they come forward now ? Well at the last count there are apparently 120 and i am sure it will be many hundreds if not thousands if they all came forward.You have to remember these were young kids being groomed and no doubt as they grew up felt the shame of it all and kept quiet to protect their new lives and relationships.His own family must have been aware of some of this and have lndeed alluded to this in the past.There are almost certain to be others involved who are still alive.
Scotland Yard is pursuing 120 lines of inquiry and there could be 30 victims.
30 too many in my book :(
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30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.
If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.
If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.
I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.
The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.
The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more ;)
I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
so are you saying you didnt like poor old jimmy ;D ;D ;D ;D
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30 years ago or more, the world was a totally different place.
If a child walked into a police station and told the officer behind the desk that her father had touched her up, she would probably have not been believed.
If a bloke gave a woman a slap, many would say that she had probably done something to piss the bloke off and she deserved it.
If a bloke wanted a shag and his wife was not in the mood so he forced himself on her and she cried rape, she would not be believed.
I have been told (as I said earlier) about savilles conections to some seriously nasty barstewards in the Leeds area.
The way the Met has discribed him imho is 100% right.
The man was a preditory bully, sexual devient and very probably a nonce who used his charm, fame, wealth, influence and the "look the other way / old boys network / funny handshake brigade" to satisfy his lust for power over not just women but also those who he worked and lived with.
The people who are now coming out of the woodwork are doing so because someone is now willing to listen to them, nothing more ;)
I'm glad the c**t is dead, the world is a better place without people like him.
so are you saying you didnt like poor old jimmy ;D ;D ;D ;D
When I was a kid like most folks of my age (40's), I lost count of how many times I wrote into Jim Will Fix It. I wanted to fly in the Red Arrows :D :D But never got a reply :(
He was one of my childhood hero's :(
Over the last 30 years or so, i've been in a relationship with a lass for a few months who did everything she could to force me away. In the end, she did and we both moved on.
A couple of years later, I bumped into her and in my true diplomatic style I asked her what the fook was her problem with men. We went for a few drinks and it just came out ............... her uncle used to abuse her when she was 13 years old. She told her dad who didn't believe her.
Her dad now lives in spain with her uncle. Because of this, she hasn't seen her dad for years >:( >:( >:(
A very good mate of mine has not seen his daughter for 5 years because he took a few photographs with his digital camara of her playing in the bath (with her mother present). Sent them via email too the kids grandad who later turned out to be one of the most influencial nonces in the country. He is also a ex chief inspector of humberside police. He was nicked for abuseing his eldest daughter and I believe his youngest daughter but she is so screwed up and frightened of him, she won't talk to the police about it. Because of her fears, she has turned her daughter against the kids father to the point that she won't see him. :( Feel free to google Alex Alexander >:( >:( >:(
Swmbo was also bullied and controled by her 1st husband and a ex boyfriend used her as some sort of sex toy. She has issues with trust as im sure you could imagine :( :( :(
Believe me, I would put everyone of these fookers down in a instant and tbh I couldn't give a toss what anybody thinks ;)
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The thing is, at the moment it's all allegations and speculation, although popular opinion seems to be that he was guilty as sin! ::) For sure Jimmy Saville was an oddball, but that in it self dosn't make him a pedophile... :-\ As he's dead and buried in Scarborough cemetery how are they going to prove the allegations? :-\ Out of all these women coming forward, I bet there's some gold-diggers amongst them after compo from the BBC or his estate... :-\
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he is a bit weird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnvEdh3vAq8
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My final word! I have soul searched a lot and with the consent of my wife post this as a lesson to those who castigate without proof.
Its a shocking tale but is the truth and can be proven because I have the final case closed paperwork to show from the Police.
By the following disclosure I believe that I am in a far better position to comment where many others who have made comments have not had anywhere near the same experience, if any at all.
We were lucky that all of our friends and employers at the time believed in us and supported us all the way. Real friends........
A few years ago I was accused by a single mother of the same type of heinous crime because her daughter who we were proxy grandparents to had told her in a fit of temper because there was no food in the house that she would like to stay with us and leave home. At her home this little girl had nothing, was not treated with respect, was not allowed any choices, was not taken on holiday, was not given a cuddle or shown any love, was not shown how to wash, clean herself or toilet and so the list could go on. She was even born on the toilet floor of her previous home because her mother was not responsible enough to keep her hospital appointments. The delightful Social Services Children’s Department were fully aware of the pigsty she had to live in but due to their guidelines could not do anything! Her mother asked the Children’s Department to allow us to have her every weekend and to take her on holidays with us at our expense. She never gave her one single penny to spend or provided any holiday clothes for her either. We were investigated by the Children’s Department more than once and found to be satisfactory. We were even the best way through the Fostering procedures too so there were no reasons for the unsubstantiated allegations she made against me. The police were involved and all of my pc's and paperwork was removed from our home. After twelve months of intensive forensic investigations during which our lives were laid bare NOTHING was found. Her mother had even put a 7 year old through a series of medical examinations and the usual 'play acting' by the detectives of the Child Abuse unit and again NOTHING was found! I was innocent all the way but had 12 months of hell with my car being destroyed more than once and the house windows put out on the word of a single mother who had had 5 kids all by different fathers and who loved to party at night clubs with lads about half her age! We had the little one (I will not disclose her name) with us from age 4 and a half until she was 7 and when she came to us she was in nappies, wet the bed every night, did not know how to use a knife and fork, did not know how to wipe her bum, did not know how to wash or brush her hair! What type of mother would treat a child like that? Within months she was sitting at the table, toileting herself properly, washing herself properly, was not wetting the bed. It took only a very small effort and a little patience and instruction to get to that stage and she went on to improve further until she was acting just as any little girl would act. We then asked what she wanted and she said that she would love her own bedroom to stay in when she came instead of it just being the spare room. We decorated her 'new' bedroom as she wanted (High School Musical) and put in what children of her age had including a lot of clothes from which she could pick and dress in. A choice she had never had. We never spoiled her and she received spoken discipline when necessary which was very, very rare.
Fortunately for me from the time of my arrest the male detective in charge was open minded and fair. His female counterpart would have hung me at day one. Did she apologise. NO, not a word but hung her head when I was finally informed that I had no case to answer and all of my property was returned to me for the PC's to be rebuilt at my expense. The single mother was simply warned of future conduct and that she would face prison, kids or not, if she persisted in wasting police time.
As a result of the way in which we were treated we then opted not to foster in case it could happen again and so there are probably quite a number of kids that have been denied a decent home, albeit a temporary one, who still waiting for a decent home.
That is just how wrong the present system is where allegations without proof are made and WORSE acted on by the gullible public......
NO action should be taken or decisions made until CONCRETE proof has been shown to exist. Anyone can lie and make allegations against anyone for anything for a monetary gain and lives are destroyed by it. The press are the worst offenders and should be held liable for the damage they cause. If it is proven that the allegations against Jimmy are false then anyone who has made a false allegation should be ostracised and imprisoned for very long time then have to pay his family compensation for pain and suffering....but if was guilty of some then he should rightly be punished.
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WELL, My heart goes out to you Bionic what a dreadful experience, and bravely told :'( :y
I certainly agree with the last paragraph :y :y
It is a shame of way of things today, things that are perfectly innocent are interpreted in the worst possible way, one has to be so careful because one false allegation ruins lives forever.
A few years ago I was in an aweful dilema walking past the local junior school mid morning, the same school all four of my boys had attended. Nobody was about and at the school gates was a young girl with a violin case crying her eyes out. What do I do??? approach her and enquire as to the problem, give her comfort, take her back into school, whatever I did I was aware that it could be misconstrued with the worst possible outcome for me. I decided rightly or wrongly to carry on walking slowly past the school keeping an eye on the girl who was in danger. A woman drives up and the little girl was obviously relieved to see her, she got in the car and drove away. I went to see the headmistress giving her the cars registration number.
What had happened was that the girl took private music lessons and was transported from the school by her mother who had been delayed. I went ape, tearing the teacher off a strip for allowing the child out of school unaccompanied needless to say it never happened again.
It was a good outcome but could so easily have gone wrong :(
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Pity there are so many who all to ofeten and readily 'jump on the bandwagon' without engaging their brain or giving the benefit of any doubt!
How would they like it to happen to them? To be accused, castigated, their lives destroyed and eventually to be found as I was totally innocent without any apologies or compensation? All I can say is that I only wish it would and maybe, just maybe then they would butt out of something they do not know as being certain or fail to understand the implications it could cause to innocents.
Strange system that if it had gone to court and I was then proven innocent I could and definitely would have claimed compensation.
I can post a copy of the Police notice of No Case to Answer too if I must.
>:( Blood boiling again.............
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I am reminded of that poor man a retired universitity professor who was arrested over the girls murder in the flats he owned. How the press castigate the poor fellow, turned his life apart with accusations, innuendo and downright lies about his past all because he looked wierd. When it turns out to be some physco dutch student the professors life is ruined, and no amount of compensation or public apology can ever restore his reputation. Mud sticks and the press are responsible for throwing alot of it, stiring up those who believe the every word of crap they print. >:( >:(
Innocent until proven guilty seems to be a forgotten ethic for some >:(, best it's never forgotten. :y
Getting back to Jimmy Saville, although there is still no real proof the tide of accusations against him is turning in the direction strongly of his guilt. We must wait until the investigations are completed, and if his complicity and guilt in these disgusting crimes is proven then he and his fellow beasts, along with those responsible for covering up or keeping quiet about his behaviour must be exposed brought to book :(
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Now I have read your story I can understand where you are coming from as i'm sure if you take a step back and be honest, you can see other people's point of view too.
What that kids mother did to you and your lass is sick but sadly it it the way of the world with some people nowdays. She was the fooked up nutter, not you and your missus. The only thing you two did was to give a screwed up inocent kid a stable home and I take my hat off to you sir :y
As for saville, we are talking about a totally different era and totally different thing here.
You had one screwed up bitch with 5 kids from 5 different fathers making up these sick fooked up story's, we are now talking about 120 aligations from god knows how how many people over a lot of years.
Re read my post from yesterday morning for the reasons I believe people never came forward then.
Ref your fostering .................... I think it would be great if you and your lass could bring yourselfs to help these poor kids again :) Society is totally screwed up and there are a hell of alot of young kids out there who could do with 2 parents who care :)
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I fully understand the concerns....as I said earlier, its a sick world. :(
I think I may have posted this in another thread a while ago. Years ago I was a football referee, I then got roped into doing a few kids games. When my son took up football, I gave more and more of my time to kids football, eventually becoming Referee Secretary to one of the biggest leagues in the south at the time.
However, I decided to pack it up in the end, part of the decision was because of the large feeling at the time, that anyone who 'worked' with kids was 'queer'
I hasten to add, I never had any problems at all, but I suppose I was guilty of giving in to media frenzy. People often said they missed me doing the games and I was a good referee, but kids football is a stomping ground for 'depraved parents' and I decided to get out before some idiot decided to take revenge because his 'little Jimmy's team lost'.
The police (and BBC) will how hold investigations....we can only hope they will be thorough. Anyone 'jumping on the bandwagon' if found out , should receive just punishment. If Saville is proven guilty, then, however the law interprets, punishment must be followed. If proven innocent, then appologies must follow, with, again, some sort of compensation to his family.
As a footnote...I would just add, that before all this, and during his work etc at Stoke Mandeville and other places, I have never liked the bloke from first go back in the sixties. I won't print exactly what I thought of him, I expect you can guess !!! BUT....I will not let these feelings cloud my judgement on the man until proven one way or the other :y
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The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming,it is not just one isolated case.These people coming forward have nothing to gain now but justice,none as far as i have seen have asked for money for their 'stories'.The dam has well and truly burst.
If one person had come forward a few years ago when he was alive they wouldnt have stood a chance against his lawyers.
If there is ever any doubt the child always comes first.
saville was one sick barst*d who is now accused of abusing a brain damaged child iin her hospital bed.I will wager there is even worse to come ,if that is possible,he needs to rot in hell.
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The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming....
That's for a court of law to decide, though, IMHO, not the gutter press. ;)
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The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming....
That's for a court of law to decide, though, IMHO, not the gutter press. ;)
Indeed it is but it will be difficult now getting saville into court,and to be fair its a little more than the gutter press as both the BBC and ITV are regularly running these new accusations as well as pretty much any radio station you wish to tune into.
Innocent till proven guilty is going to be difficult to apply here,though that can be done in 'abstentia'.Witness statements are often used to prove guilt and we are getting those by the bucket load now.
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The weight of evidence against saville is now overwhelming,it is not just one isolated case.These people coming forward have nothing to gain now but justice,none as far as i have seen have asked for money for their 'stories'.The dam has well and truly burst.
If one person had come forward a few years ago when he was alive they wouldnt have stood a chance against his lawyers.
If there is ever any doubt the child always comes first.
saville was one sick barst*d who is now accused of abusing a brain damaged child iin her hospital bed.I will wager there is even worse to come ,if that is possible,he needs to rot in hell.
What weight of evidence? There is none to date, nothing but words from the living and if there were so many some would definitely have spoken before and a full investigation held. Remember that it not only the London MET but Poloice forces throughout Britian and so that alone gives credence to my belief that the probablitiy is that it never happened. Too many times have celebrities been accused and then found innocent. Only a few were found to have actually committed a crime and were justly punished.Why wait until Jimmy was dead and could not defend himself or be made to pay compensation? Is it that they knew he could not defend himself? Do not sensationalise mere allegations when the facts are far from being proven. Apart from that the press and TV will always pay for a good story whether it be fact or the fiction of some sick mind because it raises their readers and viewers numbers. They can, and many times before have always made some weak apology afterwards! Nothing should be written or accepted until the full judgement of a court has been seen. Until then in British law he is innocent until PROVEN guilty....
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He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.
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He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.
You sicko ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Brilliant :y
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He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.
Ha! Nice one STMO! This pretty much what I was going to say earlier in the thread but decided it was a bit sick!! ;D
However as more information emerges its not that bad really, what I was going to say is this:-
If he is proven guilty then he should be dug up and hung outside Broadcasting House in a gibbet!!! >:(
I still don't know how they will prove anything though... :-\
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I've been following this thread, and the whole Saville thing with interest recently. It now seems that there are over 100 incidents which have been reported to numerous Police forces. That's over 100 people who are prepared to swear on oath that the statement they have given is true.
Short of any film/recording of JS himself admitting that he is culpable, what it would take the OP to change his position on this?
It seems that the BBC and NHS are preparing themselves to be "liable" for any potential damages if an offence is proven to have occured whilst he was working for them. As I understand it, any personal liability that JS would have been under for his actions passed to his employer on his death.
If a court considers this to be the case then would the OP change his mind? If not, then what would?
I've always regarded JS as an unusual fellow who didn't appeal to me at all. I watched the Louis Theroux programme recently and had that feeling re-inforced. The one thing that did stick in my mind from that though was JS stating "keep me away from girl's schools".
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I've been following this thread, and the whole Saville thing with interest recently. It now seems that there are over 100 incidents which have been reported to numerous Police forces. That's over 100 people who are prepared to swear on oath that the statement they have given is true.
Short of any film/recording of JS himself admitting that he is culpable, what it would take the OP to change his position on this?
It seems that the BBC and NHS are preparing themselves to be "liable" for any potential damages if an offence is proven to have occured whilst he was working for them. As I understand it, any personal liability that JS would have been under for his actions passed to his employer on his death.
If a court considers this to be the case then would the OP change his mind? If not, then what would?
I've always regarded JS as an unusual fellow who didn't appeal to me at all. I watched the Louis Theroux programme recently and had that feeling re-inforced. The one thing that did stick in my mind from that though was JS stating "keep me away from girl's schools".
Could the numbers coming out of the woodwork have anything to do with this?
Just an observation...
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i'm reckon i need a t shirt printed with the words "i haven't been touched up by j.savile(whats wrong with me?),because it seems to me that everbody else was,just like al quaeda is responsible for ALL the terrorism in the last ten years.get a grip people,yes he was a person (allegedly)but he's dead what can you do.i watched question time a week ago where janet street porter slagged of the bbc for not doing anything and then admitted under questioning that she knew, but did nothing because no one would believe her,total hypocrite.
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He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.
They're gonna dig him up and burn him. Almost as good :y
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They should have done it on bonfire night!! Penny for the Guy?? :)
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He was a sick bastard who preyed on the vulnerable and that's it. He should be dug up and hung.
Well they did it to Oliver Cromwell........... :)
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Believe me, I would put everyone of these scrotebags down in a instant and tbh I couldn't give a toss what anybody thinks ;)
I think you should put yourself up for election :y
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Much as his behaviour is disgusting, it cannot be denied that he did fantastic charity work. The family are being very good and understanding of the public feeling (perhaps they knew what was going on :-\) and exhuming him and cremating him seems to be the most dignified approach. After all, death is the leveller of all things and he can no longer commit his disgusting crimes.
But, unfortunately, I'm sure that the people making a claim on his estate will be healed from the horrors they have endured with a cash payout! ::)
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I notice no one is referring to him as 'Sir' anymore. Do you reckon they'll strip him of his title then?
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I notice no one is referring to him as 'Sir' anymore. Do you reckon they'll strip him of his title then?
I believe that is already being dealt with from what I have read.
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Much as his behaviour is disgusting, it cannot be denied that he did fantastic charity work. The family are being very good and understanding of the public feeling (perhaps they knew what was going on :-\) and exhuming him and cremating him seems to be the most dignified approach. After all, death is the leveller of all things and he can no longer commit his disgusting crimes.
But, unfortunately, I'm sure that the people making a claim on his estate will be healed from the horrors they have endured with a cash payout! ::)
You would if you knew how much he charged these charity's for the honor of him turning up ;)
In alot of cases, these charity's never made a penny for the good causes that they were hopeing to raise money for and in some cases, they was even out of pocket :(
And believe me, it NEVER stopped saville collecting on the dept either >:( >:(
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Cremation is a good idea. It would have been a much better idea if they had done it 50 years earlier. :)
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Much as his behaviour is disgusting, it cannot be denied that he did fantastic charity work. The family are being very good and understanding of the public feeling (perhaps they knew what was going on :-\) and exhuming him and cremating him seems to be the most dignified approach. After all, death is the leveller of all things and he can no longer commit his disgusting crimes.
But, unfortunately, I'm sure that the people making a claim on his estate will be healed from the horrors they have endured with a cash payout! ::)
You would if you knew how much he charged these charity's for the honor of him turning up ;)
In alot of cases, these charity's never made a penny for the good causes that they were hopeing to raise money for and in some cases, they was even out of pocket :(
And believe me, it NEVER stopped saville collecting on the dept either >:( >:(
But, as always, it's nowhere near as many occurrences as those he raised millions for ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending his actions... They make me physically sick >:( But he is estimated to have raised in excess of £40 Million for charity over his time ;)
I still stand by the fact that it's unfortunate that people are now trying to make money out of the allegations. Money will not heal them or erase the memories from their minds ;) It would be better for that money to go to charities that deal with child abuse etc
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No amount of money can make up for the damage that he has done to his victims heads.
Any monies recieved by his victims will mean nothing more too them then a few quid in there pocket and give them a chance to stick two fingers up at the memory of saville and now he has been "outed" gain some closure.
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Seems to be a few who are very quick to judge on what still remain to be allegations without proof. Perhaps they should hold their comments until it is proven which would be a far better attitude to adopt considering that this country was bulit on 'Not guilty until proven otherwise in a court of law'. It is all too easy to slander or libel those who are dead because they cannot defend themselves, perhaps those who do should try to wear the same shoes............would they like it if it were aimed at them? No, they would scream like 'ell!!!!!!!!!!
If he is ever proven to have committed the offences then he should, or more rightly, have been through the justice system prior to his death. Why was he not? There is apparently according to those 'in the know' ample proof so why has it not been brought to light before? All police forces cannot have been so corrupt they all hid the alleged crimes so that only leaves the thought that many of the allegations will be proven to be unfounded and only brought for a minutes fame and /or monetary gain from the gutter press. Time will tell and until then I will not judge.
All celebrities charge for the events they appear at so why bring that up? At the end of the day he raised more than any of them and that is a fact which cannot be denied.
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Come on, chaps. For the sake of the forum, just cool it!
We all have passionate views about current events, but let's not get into slanging matches! :y :y
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I notice no one is referring to him as 'Sir' anymore. Do you reckon they'll strip him of his title then?
I believe that is already being dealt with from what I have read.
All these reports in the papers have left me confused as to the correct term for men who like having sex with kids.
Can anybody tell me whether it's Sir, Lord, or Reverend?
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Everyone, please cool it.