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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: twiglet on 11 February 2013, 09:41:54
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Right, so following popular demand, I have decided to start a build thread detailling the construction of a new garage / workshop.
This will hopefully be a long running thread, and I will update with info and pictures as the build progresses.
Ok, so we bought and moved into our current home in June of 2012. The house was built in 1950, and had only 1 owner until he passed away a couple of years back. The house is in fantastic structural condition, but as is the way with these things, needs alot of updating on the inside. This suits me though, as it gives me a blank canvas to work with. :)
It's a similar story on the outside. The previous owner was a very keen gardener, and after his death his daughter continued to work the garden. So when I moved in I was greetted with a large vegetable patch, an huge greenhouse, a potting shed, and absolutely nowhere to work on my cars! ::)
Even before I had moved in, I had drawn up some sketches for the garage I planned to build, and in late June I had an architect mate do some proper drawings and submit them for planning consent. While this was rolling on (not a quick process as I'm sure you're all aware), I set to work clearing the garden ready for work to commence. I sold the greenhouse, which was dismantled and collected by the buyer (handy ;) ), I dismantled the shed, and relocated it to a temporary location, with the intention of using it as a site office! ;D
So, in November of 2012, this is what my garden looked like...
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More to come... :y
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Looking forward to this :y
Also be interested in rough costs too of how much a garage costs to build :) :y
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Looking forward to this :y
Also be interested in rough costs too of how much a garage costs to build :) :y
I'll include some costings along the way Mark. Needless to say, I'm already over budget! ::)
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To my surprise, my planning permission was granted without the need to go to committee, so on the 25th November, the toys arrived... ;D
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More to come... :y
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Looking forward to this :y
Also be interested in rough costs too of how much a garage costs to build :) :y
I'll include some costings along the way Mark. Needless to say, I'm already over budget! ::)
Thanks :y
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The first of many deliveries from Travis Perkins...
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Prior to starting work, I visited my local Travis Perkins branch and had a chat with the manager. I explained what I was doing, and he agreed to give me a very good discount on all materials. I also setup a 30 day payment account. This is really handy, because I can phone at any time to order materials, which are invariably delivered the next day, without having to pay every time. I receive invoices for each order through the post, and then once a month I receive a total bill for the previous months invoices. I can pay this either online or by cheque. This helps me keep track of finances. :y
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Are you doing work yourself or getting a builder?
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Are you doing work yourself or getting a builder?
I'm project managing the work myself, and doing as much of the work as possible myself. Although I am enlisting the help of my mates along the way. 1 of whom is a groundworker, and another is a bricklayer. :y
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Are you doing work yourself or getting a builder?
I'm project managing the work myself, and doing as much of the work as possible myself. Although I am enlisting the help of my mates along the way. 1 of whom is a groundworker, and another is a bricklayer. :y
Going to save money there, if I had one built I'd rely 100% on a builder :(
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This is interesting stuff twig ... takes me back nearly 15 years to when we built ours.
Same as yourself, we enlisted the services of friends in the trade ... who ... err ... liked the idea of 'hard cash' payments. Undoubtedly the best money that we've spent property-wise, and the whole job was completed over a couple of weeks.
Got mains electricity/water and a phone line/TV/music centre installed too! :y
Keep us posted mate! ;)
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Hope we dont see this on cowboy builders twiglet. Good luck with it let me know if you need any advice.
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I remember clearing my parents garden with one of those mini diggers, what fun I had!
I had just done my tank course too so I was nicknamed Rommel for a while ::)
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First job was to dig a 'borrow pit'. The intention was to lose the spoil being dug from the foundations in the pit, and then use the top soil to level the garden. However, as will become apparent, we somewhat underestimated to amount of topsoil that would need to be dug out to get down to material good enough to build on... ::)
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More to come... :y
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So we then started pulling back the topsoil to create the new driveway extension to the garage, and also the garage foundations...
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In places, we had gone down over 400mm, and were still finding nothing except topsoil!!! :o It was at this point that one of my elderly neighbours popped round for a nose. She informed me that the previous owner had spent a fortune over the years having more and more topsoil brought in to imprive his soil condition. Great for carrots, shite for building!!! >:(
In this next picture, you'll get a feeling for how undersized the 'borrow pit' was...
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More to come... :y
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How big is it going to end up? Go on, make me jealous.. ;D
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How big is it going to end up? Go on, make me jealous.. ;D
It's gonna be 8m x 6m with a 5m ridge. ;D
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Bejezus that's huge.. ;D How I'd love one that size! I stuck to the size required to keep it under building regs requirements and somewhat regret it now - the Omega doesn't fit length ways! ;D :'(
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How big is it going to end up? Go on, make me jealous.. ;D
It's gonna be 8m x 6m with a 5m ridge. ;D
That's not a garage, it's another house! :o :o ;D ;D
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The next picture shows a fair amount of progress. The first of MANY loads of hardcore was layed on Tarram, and wackered down. This will create a 'haul road' to the garage, as well as provide a base for the eventual driveway...
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And now we hit anothing major problem! Whilst digging out the foundation trenches, we discovered an old 2" clay land drain, running right across the middle of the garage floor. Consider it had been in the ground for at least 60 years, we were amazed to find it was still very free flowing. We had a submersible pump running flat out in the trench, and it couldn't keep up with the amount of water coming out of the land drain!! :o
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You can see we have used 4" soil pipe to replace the clay pipes of the land drain. We also put another perforated pipe around the foundation walls to take any surplus water away to a soakaway.
Unfortunately this, and the high water table, scuppered my plans to install an inspection pit in the garage. :( However, I was never completely sold on the idea of having a pit, so this has probably done me a favour in making my mind up for me. I've come up with another solution for doing underbody work, which I'll revisit later...
More excavation for 'additional storing buildings' behind garage...
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Oh look, more hardcore!!!
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More to come... :y
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Bejezus that's huge.. ;D How I'd love one that size! I stuck to the size required to keep it under building regs requirements and somewhat regret it now - the Omega doesn't fit length ways! ;D :'(
I had this problem with the double garage at my last house. Once the Omega was in, I couldn't even squeeze between the front bumper and the back wall. I decided I wasn't having that problem again, so hence this one being 'slighty' oversized! ;D
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Skip forward slightly, and we have the foundation walls up. Due to the depth (and the fact that I over-engineer everything), these were construction using 7nm blocks turned on their side, to create a 9" thick retaining wall...
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And yet MORE hardcore waiting to backfill with...
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You can see that things are starting to get a little congested now...
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...so my next door neighbour very kindly offered to give my twin Omega's a temporary home... ::)
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More to come... :y
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Nice one James. :y
I see your neighbour has a Barn in his garden. :o :o :y
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Looks good to me :y
I miss my garage :( Oh well, maybe one day in the future.
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Nice one James. :y
I see your neighbour has a Barn in his garden. :o :o :y
Cheers Alan. Yeah, it's a nice bit of kit. Arrived on 1 pallet from Luthuania! ;)
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Looks good to me :y
I miss my garage :( Oh well, maybe one day in the future.
Cheers Andy. I know how you feel mate. I can't wait to get this one finished. :y
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Looking good , have you left room for the snooker table and bar :y
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Right, next problem... ::)
The driveway at the front of the house was just shingle, and I didn't expect it to have much in the way of a sub-base due to the ruts in it from the cars being parked on it. I had planned to to pull it up once the garage was finished, and put a complete new drive in, but I had hoped that it would stand up to a few lorries running on it. As you can see, it didn't!!
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And I also have the 'little' problem of approx. 120 tonne of topsoil to shift... :o
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More to come... :y
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And I also have the 'little' problem of approx. 120 tonne of topsoil to shift...
Christ!!! He must have loved his Carrots :o ;D
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And I also have the 'little' problem of approx. 120 tonne of topsoil to shift...
Christ!!! He must have loved his Carrots :o ;D
Don't I know it!! ::) ;D
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At this point, we couldn't even get any of the cars on the driveway, without fear of getting stuck! So I decided to move all the spare top soil into a heap in the front garden, ready to be collected at a later date. Then we dug out the old driveway and laid and compacted yet more hardcore over Tarram. This has given use a good temporary driveway, and will again serve welll as a sub-base for the final driveway eventually...
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I ran all of the service ducts in and out of the garage, and backfiled the base with hardcore and compacted it...
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The base was then loaded out with the steel mesh and Celotex insulation for the floor, and the all important bricks...
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So I guess you could say we are FINALLY out of the ground!! ;D 8)
More to come... :y
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At this point, I'll briefly revisit the 'additional area' directly behind the garage. I felt this would become dead space as far as usable garden is concerned. I have cleared an area 9.5 m x 7m, and this will eventually provide a continuation for the path down the side of the garage, a carport area to park 1 car undercover, and space for a 6m x 5m hand made shed. The intention for the shed is to provide good racked storage and a work area, thus keeping all house/garden/diy/etc. out of the garage. ;D
First a base of 6" of YET MORE hardcore was laid and wackered over Tarram. Then I used 6" x 2" timber for shuttering, dividing the space into 3 bays to make concreting easier. It will then have 6" of concrete with 10mm steel mesh, so it shouldn't go anywhere! ;D See what I mean about over engineering everything! ::)
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More to come... :y
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I'm sure you're all fed up of looking at pictures of groundworks by now, so the next bit should be a bit more interesting. With 2 weeks to go before Christmas 2012, and a decent break in the weather, the bricklayers were finally able to get some bricks laid. Unfortunately, they went at such as pace that I wasn't able to capture as many pictures as I would have liked. Nevertheless, there are a few below...
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You will note in the last picture that the inside face of the brickwork has a brushed mortar finish, rather than being pointed up. This was a conscious decision by me to reduce time and costs. The garage will be internally insulated and timber lined, so none of this will be seen. For the same reason I decided to use the damaged/chipped bricks on the internal piers.
You will also note that sections of horizontal mortar joints have been left out. Again, I decided to do this so that I could use Putlock scaffold. This is something to bare in mind, because this is roughly half the price of a fully independent scaffold. ;)
More to come... :y
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Once the brickies had got the structure up the required height, I had the scaffold errected. The brickies then continued to bring the brickwork up to wallplate height. This included installing the opening lintels, and completing the soldier course and corbel details...
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At this point the bricklayers pulled off site, and will return to complete the gable sections once the roof trusses have been installed.
More to come... :y
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So are you having a Garage Warming Party when its done? What sort of kit are you looking to install inside this Temple to the Omega?
Andy
Oh you going to the Angle tomorrow night?
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So are you having a Garage Warming Party when its done? What sort of kit are you looking to install inside this Temple to the Omega?
Andy
Oh you going to the Angle tomorrow night?
I'm definitely planning on having a 'Grand Opening' party Andy, and you'll be getting an invite! ;)
I'll be looking to have a set of restoration ramps, a welder and a compressor installed, but it's a moving target at the moment. ::)
Yeah I'll be there mate, what time will you be getting there? :y
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I imagine you've already planned this but, have a commando socket installed somewhere so you can run a >13A welder :y
A set of resto ramps makes a great alternative (actually better in a number of ways) to a pit IMHO - and that's from someone with a pit :)
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Brilliant thread. :y :y :y
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I imagine you've already planned this but, have a commando socket installed somewhere so you can run a >13A welder :y
A set of resto ramps makes a great alternative (actually better in a number of ways) to a pit IMHO - and that's from someone with a pit :)
Do you mean something like this...
http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929)
Cheers for the comments about the ramps. I've thought long and hard about it, and I really do think they will be the best option for me. :y
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Brilliant thread. :y :y :y
Cheers Cam. :y
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What are resto ramps ? :-\
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What are resto ramps ? :-\
Something like these... :y
http://www.restorationramps.co.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/ramps?opendocument&part=2 (http://www.restorationramps.co.uk/phdi/p1.nsf/supppages/ramps?opendocument&part=2)
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
You joke, but I have seriously considered it! The problem with a fixed ramp is it's in the way when you're not using it. And I want to be able to have a nice clear space for when I'm detailling. :y
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James this an amazing thread!! I am so jealous!!
Loving all the pictures and detailed descriptions, looking forward to the grand opening! ;)
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Do you mean something like this...
http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929)
Yup that's the badger :y I had one put in (16A, I think, I'd have to go and check the breaker, but the wiring etc is sized for more) for future expansion, so to speak.. the spark thought I'd gone mad - then again all three that quoted looked at me like I'd gone nuts when I said 11 double sockets at 16mm SWA feed! (Settled on 10mm in the end as 16mm wouldn't go through the conduit ;D )
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Bloody hell, 63 amp supply? What were you going to run in there? good thread twiglet. If only I was in a position to have one as well.
Keith B
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
You joke, but I have seriously considered it! The problem with a fixed ramp is it's in the way when you're not using it. And I want to be able to have a nice clear space for when I'm detailling. :y
How's about a single phase two poster,doesn't take up so much space and not much different in price to those resto ramps ???
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
You joke, but I have seriously considered it! The problem with a fixed ramp is it's in the way when you're not using it. And I want to be able to have a nice clear space for when I'm detailling. :y
How's about a single phase two poster,doesn't take up so much space and not much different in price to those resto ramps ???
Funny you should say that mate. That's exactly what I've been looking at this evening. About £1200 for a brand new, single phase 2 poster, with 3.5T capacity. It still leaves me with the problem of it being in the way when not in use though. :-\
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
You joke, but I have seriously considered it! The problem with a fixed ramp is it's in the way when you're not using it. And I want to be able to have a nice clear space for when I'm detailling. :y
How's about a single phase two poster,doesn't take up so much space and not much different in price to those resto ramps ???
Funny you should say that mate. That's exactly what I've been looking at this evening. About £1200 for a brand new, single phase 2 poster, with 3.5T capacity. It still leaves me with the problem of it being in the way when not in use though. :-\
Scissor lift set into the floor,but you need more wonga :D :D
summit like this :y http://www.valuegarageequipment.com/index.php/products/scissor-lifts/3-tonne-full-rise-scissor-lift
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Excellent stuff James great to see it all under way etc but wow all that spoil/top soil never imagined that .Is the front garden now 6ft higher
be interesting to see what the costs are, cant find the pm now, anyway all looking good mate looking forward to more pics etc :y :y
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Do you mean something like this...
http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929 (http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-commando-interlocked-angled-socket-32a-200-250v-ip44/45929)
Yup that's the badger :y I had one put in (16A, I think, I'd have to go and check the breaker, but the wiring etc is sized for more) for future expansion, so to speak.. the spark thought I'd gone mad - then again all three that quoted looked at me like I'd gone nuts when I said 11 double sockets at 16mm SWA feed! (Settled on 10mm in the end as 16mm wouldn't go through the conduit ;D )
To be honest, there are not many occasions when you need greater than a 135amp welder and they will run of 13A and on the very rare occasion you do, therfe are techniques to weld the thicker stuff. To put it into perseptive, I often weld BIg stuff (much larger than vehicle metalwork) and have never wished I had a bigger welder (although I do have access to larger if needed). :y
As for the mm feed, the length from the supply is critical as to how much current draw you can support.
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As for the mm feed, the length from the supply is critical as to how much current draw you can support.
That's why I was planning on 16mm2 :y Naturally I ditched the first spark who quoted who suggested 1.5mm2 SWA.. ;D
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I must admit this is a brilliant thread :y :y Jealous as hell, add a sink, bog and shower and SWMBO could live in it ;);D ;D
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I must admit this is a brilliant thread :y :y Jealous as hell, add a sink, bog and shower and SWMBO could live in it ;);D ;D
I thought it was going to be a oof hotel ;D
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Great thread, I was just wondering about the bloke who buys your house in 60 years time and decides to clear the back garden to grow some carrotts, man will he be cursing you for "over engineering" ;D
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Just get a proper 4 post lift and be done with.Its not like you to go for 2nd best option. ;) :D
Besides.I dont want a half equipped workshop when I bring my car up to work on it. :P ;D ;D
You joke, but I have seriously considered it! The problem with a fixed ramp is it's in the way when you're not using it. And I want to be able to have a nice clear space for when I'm detailling. :y
How's about a single phase two poster,doesn't take up so much space and not much different in price to those resto ramps ???
Funny you should say that mate. That's exactly what I've been looking at this evening. About £1200 for a brand new, single phase 2 poster, with 3.5T capacity. It still leaves me with the problem of it being in the way when not in use though. :-\
Scissor lift set into the floor,but you need more wonga :D :D
summit like this :y http://www.valuegarageequipment.com/index.php/products/scissor-lifts/3-tonne-full-rise-scissor-lift
Considered these too, but I think they limit what you can do under the car. Things like exhaust and gearbox work would be impossible. :-\
I would if it would be possible to mount a 2 post lift on heavy duty castors, so that it could be pushed out of the way when not in use. That would be the ultimate solution for me. :y
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Excellent stuff James great to see it all under way etc but wow all that spoil/top soil never imagined that .Is the front garden now 6ft higher
be interesting to see what the costs are, cant find the pm now, anyway all looking good mate looking forward to more pics etc :y :y
More like 10ft! ::) I'll take some pictures of the 'mountain' at the weekend. :y
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What about Portable Single Post Lift?
Like this: http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/power-tec-mobi-lift-mobile-vehicle-lift?da=1&TC=GS-020112340
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If you're going to do summat ::)
Though at two grand each, and you'll need four of them... if it were me I think I would live with a post possibly being in the way some of the time :-\
Coming along nicely though :y
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So next job was to fit the roof trusses, and get everything braced. I decided to tackle this job myself, with the help of a couple of mates. Surprising, it only took 1 day to get all 14 trusses in position, and all the bracing cut and fixed. I was really chuffed with the result, and even more so when the Building Control inspector signed off the roof, complimenting me on the thoroughness of the work. :y
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More to come... :y
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if you want rid of the topsoil, ask the builders merchants, they will have it,
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if you want rid of the topsoil, ask the builders merchants, they will have it,
Cheers mate. I've found a few people that say they will have it, but I've got to get it to them, and the haulage costs are very expensive. :(
However, I've done a deal with a local farmer. He's going to lay on a Fasttrak and trailer for the day, and I'll hire and drive the 360 to load it. Seems to be by far the cheapest and easiest way to get rid of it. :y
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The brickies came back to complete the gables, and a fantastic job the did too. I'm really chuffed with the quality and finish of the brickwork, with cut gables to tie in with the detail on the house. The rear gable is a single skin with a centra pier, and the front is double skinned with lightweight blockwork for the internal skin...
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More to come... :y
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Then it was back to me to get the roof felted and batterned. I've used Tyvex breathable roofing felt, and 2" x 1" batterns for this job...
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There's quite a bit of thought needed to get all detailling right here. I've used 6" UPVC fascias and soffits, that sit perfectly with the corbels, and will allow the gutting to fit nicely. I've used 4" cement boards for the verges, giving a 2" overhang. I've also used plastic soffit trays and bird combs, as shown in the next picture, as I want this roof to last for many years without having to revisit it...
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And here are a couple of roof and ridge tiles trial laid, just so I could check that I got all my spacing worked out correctly...
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As a side note, my next door neighbour is about to start some building work himself, so the Omegas are back from their temporary home. It's actually nice to have my girls back! ;D
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And this brings us up to date. I will add further updates as things progress. :y
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looking very good James some nice brickwork there nice clean lines excellent job.I did not really expect anything else, its all in the detailing :y :y
sometimes skip companies take away top soil foc they just drop off the skips you fill them mind you sound like you have a few skips worth :o :o
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Its a bit small tbh.I think you should have made it bigger. :y
:D ;D
Looking good matey :y
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Bloody hell. That was quick. Lovely job. :y
Any plans to pave the drive...? :)
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Bloody hell. That was quick. Lovely job. :y
Any plans to pave the drive...? :)
Yes Chris, it will eventually be block paved... all 200 square metres of it!! :o
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Bloody hell. That was quick. Lovely job. :y
Any plans to pave the drive...? :)
Yes Chris, it will eventually be block paved... all 200 square metres of it!! :o
Blocked or clay.....
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Bloody hell. That was quick. Lovely job. :y
Any plans to pave the drive...? :)
Yes Chris, it will eventually be block paved... all 200 square metres of it!! :o
:o Lordy. That's alot of blocks. Will look good finished though. :y
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if you want rid of the topsoil, ask the builders merchants, they will have it,
Cheers mate. I've found a few people that say they will have it, but I've got to get it to them, and the haulage costs are very expensive. :(
However, I've done a deal with a local farmer. He's going to lay on a Fasttrak and trailer for the day, and I'll hire and drive the 360 to load it. Seems to be by far the cheapest and easiest way to get rid of it. :y
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If he lets you down twiglet, just dig a hole and bury the bloody stuff! ;) ;D
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Topsoil - advertise it on your local freegle / freecycle :y
always in demand ime.
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I'm green with envy :-[
There's a lot of wasted space in that loft. I'm thinking snooker table, Sky TV, small bar ect ::)
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I'm green with envy :-[
There's a lot of wasted space in that loft. I'm thinking snooker table, Sky TV, small bar ect ::)
Why only a small one? ;D :-X :y
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I'm green with envy :-[
There's a lot of wasted space in that loft. I'm thinking snooker table, Sky TV, small bar ect ::)
Why only a small one? ;D :-X :y
More room for a pole and some dancers :y ;D
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
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Looking good.
Only key thoughts:
Truss roof - Stick built would have given much more flexability 'use' of the roof space.
I ahve to say, for me, I dont liek the verge tiles but do make sure they used a good sharp/building sand mix for bedding the tiles and ridge.
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
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Woo, cloaked verge tiles. Didn't know about them.
Seems a good idea on the face of it, as every tiled edge on almost every house round here has had to be re done. The muc doesn't bind to the boards, so over time, big lumps of cement just fall out. Rubbish :(
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Looking good.
Only key thoughts:
Truss roof - Stick built would have given much more flexability 'use' of the roof space.
I ahve to say, for me, I dont liek the verge tiles but do make sure they used a good sharp/building sand mix for bedding the tiles and ridge.
I considered a hand cut roof, and also attic trusses, but the costs were prohibitive. Due to the design of the roof on the house, it's not practical to use the loft space for storage, so I intend to you the garage roof space for storage. This truss design works quite well for that, because you can store stuff between the trusses, keeping the central walkway clear.
Take your point about the bedding mix Mark. :y
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I know you'll have a good reason, but why no windows of roof windows for natural light?
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I know you'll have a good reason, but why no windows of roof windows for natural light?
Security mainly, costs secondly. :y
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Which garage door you going for T? :)
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
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Which garage door you going for T? :)
I've got an insulated, electric roller door being installed on the 26th. I've used the company before and they are very good. It comes with sensors to stop it coming down if something is in the way, an internal manual override in the even of a power failiure, a control panel to operate in from inside the garage, a courtesy light, and 4 remote keyfobs! Plus a 5 year comprehensive warranty. :y
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
:D :D nah he fed them custard :y :y
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
:D :D nah he fed them custard :y :y
;D ;D ;D
Very nice shed twiglet and room to extend for a few more cars :y
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
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Doubt it.Its Norfolk - the woman in charge of planning is his uncle. ;)
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Always put a big RSJ across mine to fix my hoist to ;)
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
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Doubt it.Its Norfolk - the woman in charge of planning is his uncle. ;)
Ha ha ha!! Spat my tea oooot!
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
Rules quite relaxed these days, you can get extensions done without any need for permission if under certain % of land used
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Aye, but twiglet would have needed planning for this due to the 5m ridge height alone (max height without planning is 4m to the ridge if it's more than 2m from the boundary, 2.5m total height if within 2m of a boundary) ;)
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His neighbour has a luvverly plywood shed ;D
So the fact that this has bricks and everything, and has obviously had alot of thought applied to the details and the entire project, planning should have been a mere formality :y
The fact that Twiglets uncle is the woman in charge of planning can only help matters ::) Although that said Albs, her twin runs immigration, so be careful if you find yourself heading north on the A140 ;D
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Thought you might have used cloaked verge tiles James :-\
I take your point Rob, but I'm using standard tiles on the verges to match the detail on the house. :y
spotted that :y :y proper job so it matches the house mind you its nearly bigger than the house ??? ???
There's no 'nearly' about it! ;D
Did you have any problems with planning permission?
No problems at all. It got passed without even going to committee. Both adjacent neighbours supported the application, and the were no objections, not even from the parish council. :y
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Always put a big RSJ across mine to fix my hoist to ;)
Considered this, and even got a good price through a firm I use at work. But by the time I'd paid for the RSJ, and then bought the slider and hoist, I decided it would be much cheaper to by an engine crane. This will be more practical for me, because I can move it around the garage or even stick it in the back of the car if needed. :y
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Aye, but twiglet would have needed planning for this due to the 5m ridge height alone (max height without planning is 4m to the ridge if it's more than 2m from the boundary, 2.5m total height if within 2m of a boundary) ;)
Yep, maximum ridge height of 4m, and total maximum floor area of 30m2. I just didn't feel this would be big enough, so I went for planning. :y
However, the shed I'll be building behind the garage will fit within these limits. ;)
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Aye, but twiglet would have needed planning for this due to the 5m ridge height alone (max height without planning is 4m to the ridge if it's more than 2m from the boundary, 2.5m total height if within 2m of a boundary) ;)
Yep, maximum ridge height of 4m, and total maximum floor area of 30m2. I just didn't feel this would be big enough, so I went for planning. :y
However, the shed I'll be building behind the garage will fit within these limits. ;)
I kept mine under the limits - I didn't think there was any way Bracknell council would agree with an application, especially as half the garden was sold off in 2005 with a huuuge house built on it and the fella at No. 8 is an odd one who hates everyone.. ;D
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Aye, but twiglet would have needed planning for this due to the 5m ridge height alone (max height without planning is 4m to the ridge if it's more than 2m from the boundary, 2.5m total height if within 2m of a boundary) ;)
Yep, maximum ridge height of 4m, and total maximum floor area of 30m2. I just didn't feel this would be big enough, so I went for planning. :y
However, the shed I'll be building behind the garage will fit within these limits. ;)
no one will ever see the shed any way theres a bloody great house garage in front of it ;D ;D
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For those of you having trouble with the muck falling out on your verges. The father in law has just had something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Dry-Verge-Kit-Brown-Grey-Includes-16-Left-and-Right-Verges-/281059997883?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41707b38bb installed.
I will keep an eye on it for a couple of years and will then probably follow suit.
Nice garage by the way :y
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Looking good wish i had the space for a garage that size.
Unless i buy next doors off them now there is an idea ;D ;D
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UPDATE:
We finally got a long awaited break in the weather last Friday! So on Friday we got the verge tiles bedded on and the verge details done....
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Then over the weekend I laid the majority of the tiles, leaving a 'T' to allow access for laying the ridge tiles...
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Even managed to rope my dad into doing some labouring for me! ;D
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This is what it looked like on Monday morning...
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More to come... :y
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On Monday, we got all the ridge tiles bedded, and laid the last of the tiles, filling in the 'T' as we came down. We also built up the brickwork at the front of the garage. This will only remain in place until the concrete floor is laid, and will then be broken away, so that the driveway will run up to the floor between the piers of the door opening.
On Wednesday, the scaffold was struck, and for the first time I can now see it properly! ;D
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Next step will be getting the doors installed, and the the concrete floor! :y
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Looking fantastic :y
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Looking fantastic :y
+1 very nice indeed :y :y
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Indeed very good. From your picture I see brickwork across the front where the garage door would close on to. Is that what I see or are my eyes failing again ?
I ask as that is not how it would be built round here. Round here it would just be shuttered across the front and then the garage floor would be poured and the concrete would form that front edge.
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It does say that it's temporary ;)
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Ah thank you, dodgy eyes missing a post somewhere :(
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Wow!! That is coming along very nicely 8) 8) 8) :y :y :y :y
Love it! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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looking very nice James very nice indeed, whens the sign board going up over the entrance :y :y
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I don't know whether I'm more jealous of the size, now, or your sheer motivation and fitness (the amount you get done in a weekend)!
There's a similar thread on another forum I frequent where a fella is building a 6m x 15m garage with 'relieved' roof trusses to allow a two post lift.. suddenly I feel very garage-inadequate!
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A really brilliant piece of work, your enthusiasm is to be commended :y :y :y
Soon be time to get the carrots in :D ;D ;D
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I don't know whether I'm more jealous of the size, now, or your sheer motivation and fitness (the amount you get done in a weekend)!
There's a similar thread on another forum I frequent where a fella is building a 6m x 15m garage with 'relieved' roof trusses to allow a two post lift.. suddenly I feel very garage-inadequate!
got a letter yesterday the garage i rent is being sold in april :'( :'( finding another is going to be a bloddy nightmare.
garageless in ramsgate
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Indeed very good. From your picture I see brickwork across the front where the garage door would close on to. Is that what I see or are my eyes failing again ?
I ask as that is not how it would be built round here. Round here it would just be shuttered across the front and then the garage floor would be poured and the concrete would form that front edge.
It's a valid question, and I'll try and explain, although it will become more clear in pictures when I get to that part.
The bricks are forming a temporary shutter for the concrete floor, and the top 2 courses are set back into the garage by 2 inches. After the floor is poured, these 2 courses will be removed. The lower courses will remain to provide a good foundation for the driveway where it meets the garage floor. The driveway will be 1 inch lower than the grage floor, which means the garage door will effectively be closing into a rebate, thus preventing any driving rain from entering the garage under the door.
Well that's the plan anyway. It's my design, so it could all go horribly wrong yet! ;D :y
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I don't know whether I'm more jealous of the size, now, or your sheer motivation and fitness (the amount you get done in a weekend)!
There's a similar thread on another forum I frequent where a fella is building a 6m x 15m garage with 'relieved' roof trusses to allow a two post lift.. suddenly I feel very garage-inadequate!
6m x 15m :o Christ, you're not the only one!! :(
Although, I had built my garage that big, I would be skint and divorced by now!! ;D
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Indeed very good. From your picture I see brickwork across the front where the garage door would close on to. Is that what I see or are my eyes failing again ?
I ask as that is not how it would be built round here. Round here it would just be shuttered across the front and then the garage floor would be poured and the concrete would form that front edge.
It's a valid question, and I'll try and explain, although it will become more clear in pictures when I get to that part.
The bricks are forming a temporary shutter for the concrete floor, and the top 2 courses are set back into the garage by 2 inches. After the floor is poured, these 2 courses will be removed. The lower courses will remain to provide a good foundation for the driveway where it meets the garage floor. The driveway will be 1 inch lower than the grage floor, which means the garage door will effectively be closing into a rebate, thus preventing any driving rain from entering the garage under the door.
Well that's the plan anyway. It's my design, so it could all go horribly wrong yet! ;D :y
That actually sounds like a good idea. I cannot for the life of me think why this is not done on all new garages. Well done :y
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did you nail the tiles down?
before it sets too hard give the course of bricks (where the scaffold boards have allowed a build up of mortar) a good rub with a wire brush.
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looks great...looks ginourmous :y
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did you nail the tiles down?
Yep! :y
before it sets too hard give the course of bricks (where the scaffold boards have allowed a build up of mortar) a good rub with a wire brush.
There's no mortar build up mate, as the brickies were spotlessly clean. The areas just above the scaffold boards have now been attacked with a stiff broom, and they are fine. :y
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Looks Fantastic :y
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I don't know whether I'm more jealous of the size, now, or your sheer motivation and fitness (the amount you get done in a weekend)!
There's a similar thread on another forum I frequent where a fella is building a 6m x 15m garage with 'relieved' roof trusses to allow a two post lift.. suddenly I feel very garage-inadequate!
6m x 15m :o Christ, you're not the only one!! :(
Although, I had built my garage that big, I would be skint and divorced by now!! ;D
;D
I think it's fair to say some of them play in a different universe from you and I.. One just bought an aluminium bodied Kirkham replica advertised at £90k despite already owning £40k's worth of Crendon replica :o
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Brilliant Build, and very quick. :y :y :y
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Another quick update:
The following pics show 100mm of Celotex insulation being laid...
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After that, I laid plastic sheeting to act as a damp membrane, and then began to lay the steel mesh that will reinforce the concrete floor...
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More to come... :y
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Looking good, can't wait for the next episode :y
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Lovely neat brickwork, looking really good. :y :y :y :y :y :y
Where you are insulation the floor are you going to do the same with the walls with stud work and plasterboard?
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Getting there lad,getting there. :y
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Didnt think about underfloor heating to keep it cosy when laying underneath one?
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Lovely neat brickwork, looking really good. :y :y :y :y :y :y
Where you are insulation the floor are you going to do the same with the walls with stud work and plasterboard?
Yes mate, I'll be putting in 4" x 2" studwork between the internal brick piers. Then 3" of Celotex between the studs. Then I'll be lining the walls and ceiling with sheets of MDF.
The reason for choosing MDF is it provides and stronger fixing (for shelves, etc) than plasterboard, but is cheaper and gives a better finish than ply. The walls and ceiling will then be painted in a nice, light-reflecting white.
I'll also be fitting Celotex between the roof trusses and on the gables, so it'll be fully insulated. :y
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Getting there lad,getting there. :y
Slowly but surely matey... :y
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That garage is better built than my house......... :D :D :D
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Didnt think about underfloor heating to keep it cosy when laying underneath one?
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You'll laugh mate, but I did consider it. ::)
I'm not going to have any form of boiler in the garage, so that discounts the wet systems. And although I did think about putting the electric version, I thought I wouldn't just be able to turn it on, and for the concrete to be warm, so it would either have to be turned all the time, or I'd have to remember to turn it on in advance. Neither of these options appealed to me tbh. Besides, if I'm on my back under a car, I'll invariably be on my creeper board anyway. :y
I do have another cunning plan for keeping the garage toasty though... ;)
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That garage is better built than my house......... :D :D :D
;D ;D Cheers mate :y
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I wish my drive was insulated ::)
That garage is better built than my house......... :D :D :D
+1 ;D
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i think its going to double up as a nuclear shelter. Great to see a real quality job :y :y
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Very nice :y
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Didnt think about underfloor heating to keep it cosy when laying underneath one?
keith b
You'll laugh mate, but I did consider it. ::)
I'm not going to have any form of boiler in the garage, so that discounts the wet systems. And although I did think about putting the electric version, I thought I wouldn't just be able to turn it on, and for the concrete to be warm, so it would either have to be turned all the time, or I'd have to remember to turn it on in advance. Neither of these options appealed to me tbh. Besides, if I'm on my back under a car, I'll invariably be on my creeper board anyway. :y
I do have another cunning plan for keeping the garage toasty though... ;)
Waste oil heater by chance ? ???
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I'm just waiting for twiglet to finish his, then I'm going to ask him to come and build me one.. or a house, like you folks say - his garage is better built & insulated than my house ;D
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Didnt think about underfloor heating to keep it cosy when laying underneath one?
keith b
You'll laugh mate, but I did consider it. ::)
I'm not going to have any form of boiler in the garage, so that discounts the wet systems. And although I did think about putting the electric version, I thought I wouldn't just be able to turn it on, and for the concrete to be warm, so it would either have to be turned all the time, or I'd have to remember to turn it on in advance. Neither of these options appealed to me tbh. Besides, if I'm on my back under a car, I'll invariably be on my creeper board anyway. :y
I do have another cunning plan for keeping the garage toasty though... ;)
Waste oil heater by chance ? ???
I was surprised how much heat those thing generate :o
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I can remember when I was a teenager nonchalantly leaning against one with my hand,christ that hurt for weeks. ;D
If it is a waste oil heater I will let Twigs have all my old oil at very competitive rates. :y ;D
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Didnt think about underfloor heating to keep it cosy when laying underneath one?
keith b
You'll laugh mate, but I did consider it. ::)
I'm not going to have any form of boiler in the garage, so that discounts the wet systems. And although I did think about putting the electric version, I thought I wouldn't just be able to turn it on, and for the concrete to be warm, so it would either have to be turned all the time, or I'd have to remember to turn it on in advance. Neither of these options appealed to me tbh. Besides, if I'm on my back under a car, I'll invariably be on my creeper board anyway. :y
I do have another cunning plan for keeping the garage toasty though... ;)
Waste oil heater by chance ? ???
I was surprised how much heat those thing generate :o
Mine heats a double length nissen hut easily,if on the high setting it can be a bit much but low is fine,downside is five gallons a day required to feed it.
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Small update:
I've now had the roller door installed! ;D I used a local company that I have used in the past, and have always been very happy with. It's an electric roller shutter door, and the slats are over an inch thick and filled with dense Celotex type insulation, so the thermal properties are pretty good. I spec'd mine with 4 remote controls (1 each for the 3 cars and 1 for in the house),a control box inside the garage, so I can open/close the door without having to find a remote, a courtesy light that comes on when the door is opened/closed and stays on for 3 minutes, sensors that stop the door closing if something is in the way, and also a internal manual override in case of a power failure.
Here are a couple of pics. I will get some more detailled ones later...
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More to come... :y
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Secureglide?
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Very nice , i can see you locked in there for long nights tinkering and who wouldnt ;)
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those omega's are spopilt rottern :D ;)
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Recon me dad could build that in 2 days "bricks only" ;D Being an ex brickie him and his mate use to build a 3 bed house in 3 days . No wonder he's knackered now ;D
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Remember a gang of brickies building a complete detached garage from groundworks up in less than 8 hours - it was a load of crap though. It was on a new estate I had a house built on in the early 70s - the guy whose garage it was paid £2.5K for it in those days - my new house (4 bed detached with double garage) cost less than £14K then.
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Luxury they had it easy when i was a lad the brickies used to get up an hour beore they went to bed, They worked a 25 hour day lay 3000 bricks all for 2 bob and had to pay a shillling to the tax man :) :)
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James the 'OmeGarage' is looking absolutly AWESOME mate, huge congratulations for all the hard work put in!!! 8) 8) 8)
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Kevin from Grand Designs is popping along next week to see if you've moved in.
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Cheers for the comments guys! :y
I don't think I would have been too impressed if my brickies had thrown this up in 2 days! :o It took more like 9 days in total with 2 of them, but there worked to a pre-agreed price that I was happy with. ;)
So on with the update...
On Saturday it was time to finally pour the concrete floor of 'OmeGarage' (thanks Paul! ;D ). It was always going to be a manic day, so I apologise for not getting as many pictures as I would have liked. I gave the job of official photographer to SWMBO, but apparently she was too busy making coffee and bacon sandwitches! ::)
As well as pouring the floor, I also wanted to pour 2 of the 3 three bays behind the garage. This totalled 16m3 of concrete, which works out at about 38 tonne, or 380 wheelbarrow loads! :o Needless to say, I called on the services of many very generous friends to help on the day. I shall be repaying these favours for some considerable time I suspect! ::)
Everyone arrived between 7 and 8am, and we completed laying the steel mesh on chairs, and tying everything together. At 9am, I had to squeeze this down my drive! The first of 2...
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This truck holds 8m3 of concrete, so the plan was to get that all in the garage, then for it to reload and return with another 8m3 to finish the garage and then do the 2 bays.
So where are a couple of pics showing the the concrete going down in the garage...
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Man I got sick of the sight of this... ::)
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Coming along nicely... :y
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So then it was time to crack on with the bays...
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For those of you who don't know, this is me...
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These last shots show the powerfloating of the floor going on, which went on way into the night. We finished at about midnight, so a very long day!!
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Hope you like... :y
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Looking brilliant :y
Are you going to paint and seal the floor or leave it as concrete only?
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i want one!!! and i have the room at the bottom of the garden but how much would one cost :-\ :-\
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i want one!!! and i have the room at the bottom of the garden but how much would one cost :-\ :-\
I know how much I was quoted for a much smaller (6x6m) garage .. let's just say I needed to be sitting down when they told me the figure! ;D
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Looking brilliant :y
Are you going to paint and seal the floor or leave it as concrete only?
I intend to paint the floor with a grey epoxy floor paint. :y
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i want one!!! and i have the room at the bottom of the garden but how much would one cost :-\ :-\
It very much depends on the design, materials, and how much you're prepared to do yourself. I've got a spreadsheet that shows me exactly what I've spent so far, but that includes the driveway and rear concrete bases. I'll try and pull off what just the garage has cost to get to this stage. :y
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Great job of holding that fence up twigs. ;) ;D
Looking good though. :y
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Looking good now, when does Eddie Stobart start using this depot?
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Great job of holding that fence up twigs. ;) ;D
Looking good though. :y
It's a heavy fence! It took 3 of us! ;D
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Looking good now, when does Eddie Stobart start using this depot?
Oh the neighbours would love that Andy! ;D
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Someone wasn't looking (or able to) when that was backed up the drive, looks quite close to the garage :o
Take it the machine in the last pics effectively smooths and levels the concrete like a sort of floor polisher :-\
I reckon you'll be in by Easter 8)
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Someone wasn't looking (or able to) when that was backed up the drive, looks quite close to the garage :o
Take it the machine in the last pics effectively smooths and levels the concrete like a sort of floor polisher :-\
I reckon you'll be in by Easter 8)
I backed him up the drive myself Al. He's about 6 inches from the garage, which is where I wanted him. The further I could get the shute into garage, the less barrow work I needed. :y
The machine is a powerfloater. You use it whan the concrete is almost set and like you say, it takes out any surface imperfections left by the tamper. It leaves a very smooth surface, and also eliminates the usual dust that you get everytime you sweep a normal concrete floor. :y
Easter would be nice, but I've still got alot of work to do inside. ::)
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Good work Twiggers!!! Hope we don't see you on Cowboy builders soon :P :P I've just laid rubber matting in my Man Cave. Oh it's lush after concrete floor.
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Good work JT! I look forward to parking my car in there when i visit lol :D
That name is subject to copyright/trademark 8)
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Looking brilliant :y
Are you going to paint and seal the floor or leave it as concrete only?
I intend to paint the floor with a grey epoxy floor paint. :y
if you use epoxy , please check its specs.. some epoxies need very long time to dry if applied 10 celcius or below..
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Good work Twiggers!!! Hope we don't see you on Cowboy builders soon :P :P I've just laid rubber matting in my Man Cave. Oh it's lush after concrete floor.
I'd be very surprised if I ever appeared on that programme, although that bird from Emmerdale is fit! ;D
Will probably have rubber matting in front of the bench, but I want to be able to fly around on my crawler board, so the majority will be left as painted concrete. :y
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Good work JT! I look forward to parking my car in there when i visit lol :D
That name is subject to copyright/trademark 8)
I'll make sure I leave you a space mate. :y
Too late, I've already nicked it!! ;D
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Looking brilliant :y
Are you going to paint and seal the floor or leave it as concrete only?
I intend to paint the floor with a grey epoxy floor paint. :y
if you use epoxy , please check its specs.. some epoxies need very long time to dry if applied 10 celcius or below..
Cheers Cem, but by the time I come to paint the floor, the garage will be a nice, constant 16 degress. ;)
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Any updates James? :o
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My mate's double garage has a tiled floor and hot & cold running water!! :o Now that's posh!! 8)
Looking good Twiglet!! :y
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Sorry guys, work has been continuing on 'Omegarage' but I just haven't had chance to update this thread. I'll make a determined effort to bring it up to date over the next couple of days. :y
Ok, the next thing I really wanted to get done, was to get the soakaway installed, and all of the surface water drainage connections done, as well as run the service ducts back up to the house. Here is the soakaway going in...
(http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx344/qjz10nyu/Garage/Photo0558_zps21181346.jpg)
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And being back-filled...
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And here is the drainage pipework going in...
Note the Y fitting halfway along the pipe that runs along the front of the garage. This will eventually be connected to a run-off drain in the middle of the driveway, to aid with taking water away when I'm washing the cars.
(http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx344/qjz10nyu/Garage/Photo0570_zpse4910022.jpg)
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More to come... :y
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you did well to get a spot 5m from any buildings for the soakway
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you did well to get a spot 5m from any buildings for the soakway
Not a big problem to be honest, my garden is pretty big. It's about 15 metres wide, so even with the garage taking up about half the width it was easy to site it on the other side of the garden and maintain the 5 metre restriction. Building control were very happy. :y
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Also fitted the UPVC personnel door to the side. Just needs a bit of trim to finish it off now...
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Here's a nice delivery...
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3" Celotex for the walls, 2" Celotex for the roof space, 22mm T&G flooring for the loft, 12mm MDF for the walls and 6mm MDF for the ceiling! ;D
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More pictures of the materials...
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Bought myself one of these from Machine Mart for £150...
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It does compound mitres, has a laser guide, and will cut wood, plastic and metal with the same disc. I've used it quite a bit already and I'm very impressed. :y
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This is what the garage is replacing...
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It was originally sited at the bottom of the garden. I relocated it here and have used it as a site office. It has now served it's usefull purpose, so I was going to break it down for firewood. However someone offered me £50 for it, so I dismanted it and they collected it. Bonus!! ;D
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We saw it on ebay the other day.... ;D
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A small update...
I've managed to get all the guttering and downpipes installed...
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And I've had a major clear up of the surplus materials and general rubbish. Looking much more like a garden now...
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The caption for the following picture is...
Omega says "Oi! How did that bloody bike manage to get in there before me???" ;D ;D
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Looking really good :y
Can I ask what kind of ball park figure this cost? Guess I would need to add around 30% as I won't be able to do any of the work myself or know contacts in trade :(
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Coming along a treat 8)
Saw the bike and thought you might have been sidetracked :o until I realised that the bike is blue ;D
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Looking really good :y
Can I ask what kind of ball park figure this cost? Guess I would need to add around 3100% as I won't be able to do any of the work myself or know contacts in trade :(
Fixed that for you! Well, that's been my experience so far, anyway, comparing materials costs alone vs. what I'm quoted for work.. (e.g. £600 for a 16x10' concrete base vs. ~£300 in materials - actually that one isn't a bad deal, really)
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looks like next doors shed has been at the grow bags again ;D ;D :)
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Looking really good :y
Can I ask what kind of ball park figure this cost? Guess I would need to add around 30% as I won't be able to do any of the work myself or know contacts in trade :(
It's a bit difficult to put an exact figure on the cost of the garage, as alot of the groundworks costs are for the garage, as well as the large concrete base beyond and the driveway.
However, by the time I have finished, I expect to have spent £25,000 on the garage, and a further £15,000 on the shed, carport and driveway.
Ouch!! ::)
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Mine can stay on the drive ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is there still interest in this thread? I have some more pics and am happy to do some updates, but shan't bother if no-one is arsed. :y
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Title ain't so accurate no more :(
Still interesting though :y
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Is there still interest in this thread? I have some more pics and am happy to do some updates, but shan't bother if no-one is arsed. :y
Keep em coming twigs,might only be for a Vectra ::) but still keen to see the final result :y
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Very well done mate, looks very smart.
Keep the updates coming :y
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I want to see how my holiday let in the sexless county is coming along, getting fed up with Burnham Market ::) ;D ;D ;D
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I'd love to see some more details about this - I'm just starting my own project so anything extra to see/read is useful.
Thanks
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Yes please Twiggy :y
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Just finished reading from start to "near completion" :y well impressed :y and a very,very interesting read :y
Keep it coming and looking forward to seeing the finished piece :y
And as you are in Norwich, I now know where to bring Goldie for her fixing, service and wash and valet ("drainage for washing cars") :y :y
Nice one and good thread ;) :y
Paul
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Twigs, always interest. I know its not a car project, but such projects, watching them develop and grow, I think are very interesting.
Keep 'em coming I say :y
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Twigs, always interest. I know its not a car project, but such projects, watching them develop and grow, I think are very interesting.
Keep 'em coming I say :y
Are you taking notes for your garage replacement? :y :y :y
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Twigs, always interest. I know its not a car project, but such projects, watching them develop and grow, I think are very interesting.
Keep 'em coming I say :y
Are you taking notes for your garage replacement? :y :y :y
I'll only have a little one :P
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I'll only have a little one :P
As you get older, you only need a little one ::)
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I'll only have a little one :P
As you get older, you only need a little one ::)
As you get older you dont need one at all :(
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I'll only have a little one :P
As you get older, you only need a little one ::)
As you get older you dont need one at all :(
Can't remember when I last saw it ;D ;D
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Mine shrivelled up and dropped off a few years back. Took me a few months to notice it was missing.
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Twigs, always interest. I know its not a car project, but such projects, watching them develop and grow, I think are very interesting.
Keep 'em coming I say :y
Are you taking notes for your garage replacement? :y :y :y
I'll only have a little one :P
Boasting again TB? :-X
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Yep Twigs - keep them coming. :y
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It has been good to see progress and I'm definitely interested in seeing more photographs from where you stopping posting on the thread through to completion. :) :y :y :y
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It has been good to see progress and I'm definitely interested in seeing more photographs from where you stopping posting on the thread through to completion. :) :y :y :y
Ditto :y :y :y :)
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Ok guys. Give me a few days to collate my pictures onto PB, and I'll do some more updates! :y
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Given the size of your garage and garden mate, we could have an oof meet at your place, i will bring the bacon if needed, :D :y
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Fantastic build any updates ?