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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rog on 13 February 2013, 14:45:33
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A bit in the news these days, since a baby got bitten. And Boris is calling for a cull.
Loads of 'em where I live, often at the bottom of my garden, but I certainly don't feed or encourage them.
There are many different opinions, Kill and cull 'em, Cuddle 'em (not really), leave 'em alone, hunt 'em etc etc. I don't really care what people think as everyone will have a view. But this one was different, and a bit amusing . . .
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/they-bite-babies-kill-chickens-and-have-noisy-sex-why-on-earth-would-we-want-a-cull-of-urban-foxes-8492316.html?google_editors_picks=true
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Quite frankly I don't know why people are so suprised. Even when fox hunting was legal their population was growing in urban areas. After the ban their population has exploded as they have no natural predator anymore (we killed them all donkeys years ago)
If the public does not want to allow hunting with dogs then another equally (or more) effective method of population control must be implemented, or these types of incidents will only increase.
My personal feeling - licensed hunting, with a suitable high powered rifle outside of breeding season with careful control of the numbers culled. They must not be eradicated, simply controlled through extensive consensus of the local natural population. Frankly, the townies need to leave the countryside folk who know what they are doing alone to do what they do best.
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If people do not want so many foxes in urban areas, then they should stop being right pigs and stop chucking food waste everywhere.
Like seagulls, and all predators, along with foxes, they only come into our living areas because we feed them so well. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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A while ago in suburban London, the Press was full of reports about being overrun by rats, you know,"never more than 10 feet " or whatever.
There were certainly rats where I live, no not some shitehole, a leafy tree lined street. Now no rats whatsoever, but we have got foxes . . . conclusions ?
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
Ah Pete, the fox as you know is a cunning animal who quickly overcomes such difficulties..........................................like diving through open windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Mc donalds!!! like yobs foxes and seagulls congregate around them we have one alas in our local sainsburys car park :o
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Mc donalds!!! like yobs foxes and seagulls congregate around them we have one alas in our local sainsburys car park :o
Indeed, they are one of the major problems, or rather some who use them are chucking their rubbish everywhere! >:(
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
Ah Pete, the fox as you know is a cunning animal who quickly overcomes such difficulties..........................................like diving through open windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thats what I can't understand, if a fox can get in surely a thief can
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
Ah Pete, the fox as you know is a cunning animal who quickly overcomes such difficulties..........................................like diving through open windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thats what I can't understand, if a fox can get in surely a thief can
The problem is so many people believe it - burglaries / robberies - will never happen to them, leaving windows and doors open, with car keys on tables next to those openings. It is a good job foxes cannot drive as they would soon be off with the family car as well!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
Ah Pete, the fox as you know is a cunning animal who quickly overcomes such difficulties..........................................like diving through open windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=99227.0 >:(
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I want to now who is supplying all these foxes with keys ::)
Ah Pete, the fox as you know is a cunning animal who quickly overcomes such difficulties..........................................like diving through open windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=99227.0 >:(
You see Zirk, you are the one encouraging foxes to feast on your Kebab! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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and if they stated drink driving they would be infoxecated.It would never happen they would not get insurance would they.....we tried to get doggy insured for the miggy and they refused :D :D :D
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I'm just the stupid kid, but I recall a discussion with some silly bint from the council when we went to fortnightly collections, and she denied it would cause a rise in fox numbers coming into town. Silly cow, typical council manager, thick as 2 short planks.
The hunts dont kill as many as they did, due to the do-gooders. And they never killed enough anyway.
As to the little brat who got attacked, I'm not sure we've heard the truth yet ;)
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i will shoot a fox on site i seen the damage they can do iv seen them desimate my brothers chicken flock over 1000 birds in i month it nearly made him bust they are vermin so they need shooting i dont beleve in hunting by dogs thats cruel it humane to shoot with the right 12 bore shells we shot 14 in 1.5 hours last year and that was in onr field i have no sympathy for them at all
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Whilst I have no issues, for or against, fox hunting, I would like to shoot all spectactors, who think its OK to block the roads because they are too lazy to park safely and walk.
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and if they stated drink driving they would be infoxecated.It would never happen they would not get insurance would they.....we tried to get doggy insured for the miggy and they refused :D :D :D
I think Churchill is most happy to take dogs on for driving insurance ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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oooohhhhh yersssssssss :y forgot about them very good :y ;D ;D
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Vermin, cull them to keep their population down.
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Vermin, cull them to keep their population down.
so thats the chavs sorted, can we sort the fox problem now?
if the daft sods stopped feeding them they would not be so unafraid of man,
foxes in the wild keep well away.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9862006/Fox-attack-wildlife-programmes-encourage-ridiculous-attempts-at-taming.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9862006/Fox-attack-wildlife-programmes-encourage-ridiculous-attempts-at-taming.html)
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Quite frankly I don't know why people are so suprised. Even when fox hunting was legal their population was growing in urban areas. After the ban their population has exploded as they have no natural predator anymore (we killed them all donkeys years ago)
If the public does not want to allow hunting with dogs then another equally (or more) effective method of population control must be implemented, or these types of incidents will only increase.
My personal feeling - licensed hunting, with a suitable high powered rifle outside of breeding season with careful control of the numbers culled. They must not be eradicated, simply controlled through extensive consensus of the local natural population. Frankly, the townies need to leave the countryside folk who know what they are doing alone to do what they do best.
You can hunt with a rifle and the relevant permit/permission and on private property ;)
The problem is the abundance of "Easy" food in towns ::)
I'm just the stupid kid, but I recall a discussion with some silly bint from the council when we went to fortnightly collections, and she denied it would cause a rise in fox numbers coming into town. Silly cow, typical council manager, thick as 2 short planks.
The hunts dont kill as many as they did, due to the do-gooders. And they never killed enough anyway.
As to the little brat who got attacked, I'm not sure we've heard the truth yet ;)
My thoughts exactly ;)
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Bizzarre to se a baby a few weeks old described as a brat ! ???
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We have problems where I live. Only yesturday My neighbours dog had a stand off with a fox for the dogs dinner bowl. Trouble was the bowl was on the kitchen floor and the fox jumped over the bottom half of the slpit back door. One less fox to worry about though dog killed it.
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Bizzarre to se a baby a few weeks old described as a brat ! ???
Hmm... Must read more thoroughly :-[ But the thought is the same, there's more to this story than meets the eye ::)
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Quite possibly. :y
Imo though,a cull is needed for the urban ones.They are a real problem.Dont mind rural foxes (as long as numbers are controlled).I spend many hours at work watching one on the cameras.Its usually mre interesting than watching whatever crap is on TV.
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All the usual paranoia....people talking a load of shite as usual ::)countries going down the shitter and all people can do is whine about another rare incident which is caused by the nasty habits of humans anyway.FFS get a check up from the neck up!! ::)
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I went Fox-hunting in Australia once and what a laugh that was!!! :y
4 blokes, a Toyota pickup, 2 rifles, a powerful spot lamp, and an 'Esky' full of coldies!! We didn't shoot any foxes, but I nearly bagged a sheep! ::) Luckily I missed but I was still demoted to the spot lamp by my farmer friends!! ;D
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I think instead we should have a cull of humans. Foxes have every right to life, just as we do. They're doing what comes naturally, looking for food. As stated, one factor is the usual selfish slobbish and lazy actions of humans and their habits which increases the likelihood of fox/human interaction. Just because humans are (in some cases) more intelligent than animals, and some have better and more sophisticated (allegedly) methods of communication than animals doesn't mean humans have the right to kill animals who are an inconvenience or seen as 'vermin'. Humans don't have the ability to live in harmony with their surroundings, ever expanding and resource consuming. This is the problem.
We don't know the full facts, only what we hear on the 'news' and in the 'media', which is all designed to help control us anyway, but on the face of it, why the hell was a young baby left unsupervised with an open door/window in the house.
It's not too long ago there was a thread about the potential killing of sharks that had attacked swimmers and surfers, and IIRC the general jist of that thread was that the surfers etc had entered the sharks environment and a two foot wife razor sharp mouth biting them in half was to be expected. Rightly so. What's the difference with foxes? The habitat they once had and shared with all has been turned into a concrete jungle, so what are the foxes to do, migrate?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9862006/Fox-attack-wildlife-programmes-encourage-ridiculous-attempts-at-taming.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9862006/Fox-attack-wildlife-programmes-encourage-ridiculous-attempts-at-taming.html)
>:( >:( not that tw*t again >:(
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The foxes have migrated... From the country to the towns and city centres ;)
Go out in the country and you will see very few but they're all over the town centres ::)
I agree that there are plenty of humans that could do with culling too ::) But the fact is, foxes are vermin... Pure and simple
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The problem is the abundance of "Easy" food in towns ::)
Exactly. We are talking about a very territorial animal. Give it less rich pickings and it will take more territory to keep itself fed, and defend it, so reducing the numbers in urban areas.. Leave a load of food lying around, or even allow daft townies to feed them because they're cuddly, and the opposite happens.
Kinda difficult to feel sorry for the same townies who voted to ban hunting, though (other than the poor baby, of course). As we sow, so shall we reap.
All of a sudden, though, there might be a headline in it for the political classes, thanks to someone's misfortune, so expect some daft, unworkable knee jerk legislation to be cobbled together any day soon. ::)
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The foxes have migrated... From the country to the towns and city centres ;)
Go out in the country and you will see very few but they're all over the town centres ::)
I agree that there are plenty of humans that could do with culling too ::) But the fact is, foxes are vermin... Pure and simple
You've obviously missed the point entirely :)
The foxes haven't migrated. :)
They're still living in the same places, but the difference is humans have selfishly turned a habitat that was once good for many species, into something that is only favourable to themselves, and now they have conflict, which due to the arrogance of the human species is blamed on the fox. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I can do a smiley face too! :)
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The foxes have migrated... From the country to the towns and city centres ;)
Go out in the country and you will see very few but they're all over the town centres ::)
I agree that there are plenty of humans that could do with culling too ::) But the fact is, foxes are vermin... Pure and simple
You've obviously missed the point entirely :)
The foxes haven't migrated. :)
They're still living in the same places, but the difference is humans have selfishly turned a habitat that was once good for many species, into something that is only favourable to themselves, and now they have conflict, which due to the arrogance of the human species is blamed on the fox. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I can do a smiley face too! :)
But they have also, as said, removed all the Fox's natural predators (ok, and added the car, which might cause a little attrition), and made food much more readily available, so it's not all bad for poor Reynard. ;)
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We couldn't agree last time this subject came up and I doubt we will this time.
If foxes are still living where they always have then why has the rural population reduced over the same period that urban population has increased ???
Foxes are and always have been vermin. Just like rats, mice, starlings, pigeons and seagulls (to name but a few). They kill for the sake of killing (like some humans I suppose ::)) and are becoming more and more bold/brave around humans because of so many people feeding them. The fact remains, you'll rarely see a fox bold enough to be around humans in rural areas but in the urban environment the lentil munchers have given them free reign!
Anyway... As said before, I'll bet my £1 that there is more to the story than meets the eye ;) Possibly they (or someone very nearby) have been feeding them. Or possibly something else... I doubt we'll ever know!
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I live on the edge of woodand & watched a badger give a fox a right mauling, it all happened in my garden too. we had put leftovers out for the badger but the big dog fox was persistant & kept trying to worry the badger off. Didn`t work the cos the badger locked onto the foxes neck & the screaming yelps were bloody awful. The experts will say don`t put any food out, but to get close to a badger is great.
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Other countries have their own problems with urban animals. Parts of Canada and the US have bears going through their bins and many African towns and cities have urban leopards!! :o Here Kitty Kitty!! ;D
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Berlin have a wild urban boar problem, some of those tinkers get to 2m high!
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We couldn't agree last time this subject came up and I doubt we will this time.
If foxes are still living where they always have then why has the rural population reduced over the same period that urban population has increased ???
Foxes are and always have been vermin. Just like rats, mice, starlings, pigeons and seagulls (to name but a few). They kill for the sake of killing (like some humans I suppose ::)) and are becoming more and more bold/brave around humans because of so many people feeding them. The fact remains, you'll rarely see a fox bold enough to be around humans in rural areas but in the urban environment the lentil munchers have given them free reign!
Anyway... As said before, I'll bet my £1 that there is more to the story than meets the eye ;) Possibly they (or someone very nearby) have been feeding them. Or possibly something else... I doubt we'll ever know!
I tend to agree with that, something not quite right imo and worty of further investigation, have the family got a dog? :-X
Not certain on your other points, Vermin? tis an opinion; they are part of the natural food chain. I live in a rural area, please do not tell me fox hunting by hounds does not happen.... :-X :-X
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I dont agree with hunting with hounds personally.Its very inefficient and never a clean kill.Field sports should always be aiming for an instant painless kill,so imo it should only be done with an appropriate sized rifle,which would also be a more effcetive method of controlling numbers.
The tall ho brigade have had their day.Best to consign then to old paintings on pub walls etc. ;)
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>:( Its not the foxes that are to blame at all.....it's the stupid sods that encourage them by leaving food and waste out that they then seek out as food! It is the people who act as they do and encourage them into the city that need to be culled, alongside those who think that hunting them on horseback or on foot is a sport.
Why was her house open anyway for one to get in? Why was she not there instead of gossipping with her neighbour in her home next door? The parent should be charged with child neglect as far as I am concerned.
Leave the foxes alone because where I live they are welcomed and cause very little damage because we tend to keep the rubbish where it belongs....in the bins and not strewn on the streets.
Why also is it London that appears to be the city always with the problem? Is it so filthy a city that it cannot be reformed into a cleaner one? It is the human mindset that is responsible because a fox acts like a fox, just as any animal acts as an animal, no animal can think or reason like a human which logically means that they acting normally and just as Mother Nature taught them!
Once again Social Services and Childrens Departments are all to ready to blame the wrong party. Blame that irresponsible parent instead and get it right just for once!
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Because we have bred a generation/generations of ignorant arseholes, many town centres are littered with half eaten pizza, which is obviously too heavy to dispose of in a bin, so our little retards just drop them as they walk.
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When I lived in England our neighbours on our left fed the foxes a hot cooked chicken dinner (including veggies) every day.
The entrance to the foxes earth(burrow) was behind our greenhouse. It was a constant job shifting the soil they excavated.
The neighbour on the right predictably came a cropper one day when his garden collapsed under him.
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all foxes should be shot on site they ars nothung but vermin not urban pets if you could see the amount of damage 1 fox can do to a chicken coup you would think like i do they kill for pleasure i seen what damage a fox can do 100 chickens killed in 1 houronly 2 taken for food they are vermin and should be treat as so the only good fox is a dead one