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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Jabe on 10 June 2013, 23:58:07
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Hi,
My Omega will be scrapped tomorrow however I have a serious problem. I only had one key for the car and it has now gone missing. I have raided the house up and down for it and it is no where to be found.
The problem is, I left a few of my things in the car including the stereo which I wanted. I also wanted to take the catalyst converters out as I was offered good money for them by the local cat guy.
If I was to quickly zap the drivers window to get the bonnet open, can I simply disconnect the car battery? Or does the alarm run of its own battery? I have read before that it has an internal battery that can go iffy sometimes causing it to sound.
Many regards, :-[
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If the alarm is armed with led flashing? then power sounder should activate & horn will sound.
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If the alarm is armed with led flashing? then power sounder should activate & horn will sound.
I'll check tomorrow but I do believe that the red light does flash on the dashboard.
What I am asking is, can I stop the horn by simply disconnecting the car battery?
Thanks!
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Quick question. Where is the blinky LED located? I just popped outside to take a look and I can't see any blinking light. On my other cars its usually on the passenger side somewhere.
If no light is blinking, then that means the alarm is disengaged, right?
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No.Assuming the power sounder is still fitted and working it has its own intenal battery and it will emit an ear piercing screech. ;)
Blinky light is towards the lower centre of the dash,below the radio iirc.
Not certain if no light means alarm not armed tbh,hopefully someone else will know.
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No.Assuming the power sounder is still fitted and working it has its own intenal battery and it will emit an ear piercing screech. ;)
Blinky light is towards the lower centre of the dash,below the radio iirc.
Not certain if no light means alarm not armed tbh,hopefully someone else will know.
Aww damn, there's a bunch of things I dumped into the car temporarily and its blocking the view. GRGH!
I do recall I used the actual key itself to lock the door and not the fob, if that makes a difference.
I have read it is possible to 'disconnect' the powersounder. Is it possible to simply cut the wire that goes to it?
This (http://oldsite.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1220198611) thread shows how to access it but is there a way to cut the cable going to it? It says in the thread it could takes 30 minutes but that would pretty much render me deaf before I managed to silence it.
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when my c/l (drivers door) was on the fritz I was locking/unlocking the door with the key.
and arming/dis-arming the alarm with the key fob. I noticed that the led on my 2003 car didn`t start flashing until I armed the the alarm with the key fob
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when my c/l (drivers door) was on the fritz I was locking/unlocking the door with the key.
and arming/dis-arming the alarm with the key fob. I noticed that the led on my 2003 car didn`t start flashing until I armed the the alarm with the key fob
Interesting, do you think that had something to do with your driver door being problematic though?
Thanks again!
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No.Assuming the power sounder is still fitted and working it has its own intenal battery and it will emit an ear piercing screech. ;)
Blinky light is towards the lower centre of the dash,below the radio iirc.
Not certain if no light means alarm not armed tbh,hopefully someone else will know.
Aww damn, there's a bunch of things I dumped into the car temporarily and its blocking the view. GRGH!
I do recall I used the actual key itself to lock the door and not the fob, if that makes a difference.
I have read it is possible to 'disconnect' the powersounder. Is it possible to simply cut the wire that goes to it?
This (http://oldsite.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1220198611) thread shows how to access it but is there a way to cut the cable going to it? It says in the thread it could takes 30 minutes but that would pretty much render me deaf before I managed to silence it.
The whole idea of the power sounder is that it sounds in the even of the main battery being disconnected, so cutting the wire to it, or unplugging it won't make a difference ...... assuming the power sounder still works - but on a 97 car, I can't see it still working.
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No.Assuming the power sounder is still fitted and working it has its own intenal battery and it will emit an ear piercing screech. ;)
Blinky light is towards the lower centre of the dash,below the radio iirc.
Not certain if no light means alarm not armed tbh,hopefully someone else will know.
Aww damn, there's a bunch of things I dumped into the car temporarily and its blocking the view. GRGH!
I do recall I used the actual key itself to lock the door and not the fob, if that makes a difference.
I have read it is possible to 'disconnect' the powersounder. Is it possible to simply cut the wire that goes to it?
This (http://oldsite.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1220198611) thread shows how to access it but is there a way to cut the cable going to it? It says in the thread it could takes 30 minutes but that would pretty much render me deaf before I managed to silence it.
The whole idea of the power sounder is that it sounds in the even of the main battery being disconnected, so cutting the wire to it, or unplugging it won't make a difference ...... assuming the power sounder still works - but on a 97 car, I can't see it still working.
But if the alarm isn`t armed then there will be no need to remove the battery lead :y
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The whole idea of the power sounder is that it sounds in the even of the main battery being disconnected, so cutting the wire to it, or unplugging it won't make a difference ...... assuming the power sounder still works - but on a 97 car, I can't see it still working.
Thanks for the reply.
If the only way to get to it is by removing the bulkhead (assuming its still working) how do you silence it... bury it underground or something?
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how do you silence it... bury it underground or something?
Yes ;) ;)
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But if the alarm isn`t armed then there will be no need to remove the battery lead :y
But I can't see the lower part of the dashboard to check for the blinky light as its covered up with stuff I chucked into the car. :(
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But if the alarm isn`t armed then there will be no need to remove the battery lead :y
The car is locked .............. therefore the alarm is most likely armed (unless the car was locked by pressing the driver's lock button via the back door) ;)
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how do you silence it... bury it underground or something?
Yes ;) ;)
Funny... :D
So it will sound till the battery dies?
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Do you guys have any suggestions on how I can go about doing this? I've been given till tomorrow to get rid of the car as its been there for over a month now and should have gone weeks ago.
I'm stomped. All the help I can get is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
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Do you guys have any suggestions on how I can go about doing this? I've been given till tomorrow to get rid of the car as its been there for over a month now and should have gone weeks ago.
I'm stomped. All the help I can get is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
I'd have thought that the steering lock & lack of key would have been more of a concern than the alarm. :-\ :-\
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Do you guys have any suggestions on how I can go about doing this? I've been given till tomorrow to get rid of the car as its been there for over a month now and should have gone weeks ago.
I'm stomped. All the help I can get is appreciated.
Thanks guys!
I'd have thought that the steering lock & lack of key would have been more of a concern than the alarm. :-\ :-\
That was my first concern however the steering is not locked and I left the gear in N intentionally. Worst case I'd have to slowly push the car back and forth with the steering tilted to the left slightly, hopefully it won't lock it. This is so it would line up with the tow truck.
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If you last locked the car with the key only, then I`m betting the alarm will not sound.
Either way as soon as the car is lifted that too will trigger the alarm.
I proved that to myself when I started jacking up the car witout first unlocking with the key fob button. :o
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If you last locked the car with the key only, then I`m betting the alarm will not sound.
Either way as soon as the car is lifted that too will trigger the alarm.
I proved that to myself when I started jacking up the car witout first unlocking with the key fob button. :o
I hope so. I know for a fact I locked the car with the key as the fob never worked half the time (dead battery probably.)
If I use the key itself to lock the car, does that mean the alarm is disabled for sure or are you guessing? :)
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yes :y
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If you last locked the car with the key only, then I`m betting the alarm will not sound.
Wrong. ;) ;)
Either way as soon as the car is lifted that too will trigger the alarm.
I proved that to myself when I started jacking up the car witout first unlocking with the key fob button. :o
It must've been a fluke, because there's no tilt alarm on an Omega ::) :y
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Haha! wow, guys seriously? :)
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.... hopefully it won't lock it. This is so it would line up with the tow truck.
Fingers crossed then, because by rights it should lock. If it does, apparently a couple of plastic bread trays can be useful. ;) ;)
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.... hopefully it won't lock it. This is so it would line up with the tow truck.
Fingers crossed then, because by rights it should lock. If it does, apparently a couple of plastic bread trays can be useful. ;) ;)
Do you mean I have to break the steering lock?
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.... hopefully it won't lock it. This is so it would line up with the tow truck.
Fingers crossed then, because by rights it should lock. If it does, apparently a couple of plastic bread trays can be useful. ;) ;)
Do you mean I have to break the steering lock?
You could do if you want. ;)
No, apparently, when the recovery lads want to drag a car up on to their flat bed that has a steering lock on, they put a plastic bread tray (the kind that goes into the back of the delivery vans) under each wheel & then just drag the car up. The trays then just skid up the flat bed. :y
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If you last locked the car with the key only, then I`m betting the alarm will not sound.
Wrong. ;) ;)
Either way as soon as the car is lifted that too will trigger the alarm.
I proved that to myself when I started jacking up the car witout first unlocking with the key fob button. :o
It must've been a fluke, because there's no tilt alarm on an Omega ::) :y
this what my handbook says regarding tilt alarm
Switching system on excluding
moni toring of the passenger
compartment and the vehicle tilt
e.g. if animals are to be left in the vehicle.
1. Close boot lid/tailgate and bonnet.
2. Press button Ä. LED flashes (for a
maximum of 10 seconds); see page 61.
3. Close doors.
4. Switch on Vauxhall alarm system. LED
lights up. After approx. 10 seconds the
system is activated, without monitoring
of the passenger compartment or vehicle
tilt. LED flashes until system is switched
off.
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re arming the alarm
To activate:
All doors, windows and sun roof 3 must be
closed; press button p on the remote
control unit again within 10 seconds after
locking
– or –
turn key in d iver's door lock towards rear
of vehicle again within 10 seconds after
locking, then turn it back to the vertical
position and remove.
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.... hopefully it won't lock it. This is so it would line up with the tow truck.
Fingers crossed then, because by rights it should lock. If it does, apparently a couple of plastic bread trays can be useful. ;) ;)
Do you mean I have to break the steering lock?
You could do if you want. ;)
No, apparently, when the recovery lads want to drag a car up on to their flat bed that has a steering lock on, they put a plastic bread tray (the kind that goes into the back of the delivery vans) under each wheel & then just drag the car up. The trays then just skid up the flat bed. :y
Haha, pure genius! :)
On a side note. Can anyone confirm if the car actually has tilt sensors or not? If not then first thing would be to jack the car up and take out the cats, then last resort would be to break the window to get my bits and bobs out after it goes on the truck. That way he can drive off with it right away and I'd save myself a headache.
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There is definately a tilt alarm, Ive triggered it several times by jacking before unlocking the car :y
Assume it is alarmed, its about 10 mins work to get down to the powersounder...
Wipers and scuttle off.
Given its going to the scrappy, I would revise that to 1 minute to smash through the scuttle to get to the sounder, 1 x 10mm? nut to remove, and a bucket of water. Job done.
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Either way as soon as the car is lifted that too will trigger the alarm.
I proved that to myself when I started jacking up the car witout first unlocking with the key fob button. :o
It must've been a fluke, because there's no tilt alarm on an Omega ::) :y
Fraid there is mate :y
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There is definately a tilt alarm, Ive triggered it several times by jacking before unlocking the car :y
Assume it is alarmed, its about 10 mins work to get down to the powersounder...
Wipers and scuttle off.
Given its going to the scrappy, I would revise that to 1 minute to smash through the scuttle to get to the sounder, 1 x 10mm? nut to remove, and a bucket of water. Job done.
Thanks Jimbob, great idea! Whats the best way to smash through it though? I do have a sledge hammer handy, but I don't want to mess around making noise and wasting time doing it all wrong - I have experienced some plastics that simply refuse to break however flimsy they may look! :)
Just one last question, assuming the powersounder is dead to being with, that would mean it shouldn't go of if when I break the window anyway, right? Or is the powersounder separate from the alarm?
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Fraid there is mate :y
Possibly a facelift addition? My Omega is a '97.
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tilt alarm is on the f/l at least. Possibly came in with the stupid f/l boot release.
Coincidentally my mig was on a ferry at the weekend, I dutifully locked it without setting the alarm (one press on the remote not two as per the manual). I was sat above looking down loving at it, as you do, and I noticed the hazards going off. No alarm, just the hazards. Bit odd????
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I would be going in with hammer and chisel at around the drain point.
If the power sounder is already dead, only the main alarm will sound (until you remove the battery)
dbdb - one press or 2 makes no odds, your alarm is set either way, only way to not set is to manually lock the doors using the buttons. Pressing the running man switch probably disables tilt too, it certainly disables ultrasonics. Your powersounder and Main alarm horns are broken :y Hence hazzards only.
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one press or 2 makes no odds, your alarm is set either way, only way to not set is to manually lock the doors using the buttons. Pressing the running man switch probably disables tilt too, it certainly disables ultrasonics. Your powersounder and Main alarm horns are broken :y Hence hazzards only.
Not according to my owners manual p 59:
"Vauxhall alarm system
To activate:
All doors, windows and sun roof 3 must be
closed; press button p on the remote
control unit again within 10 seconds after
locking"
The second press flashes the hazards.
The running man switch does exclude monitoring of the passenger compartment and the vehicle tilt (same page).
I thought the main alarm horn was the horn? My horn works. Oh yes.
My powersounder is long removed.
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The double press ONLY activates deadlocks. Trust me :y
The alarm horn is next to the power sounder horn, separate front the car horn which you can disconnect by kneeling by the car :y not very secure otherwise ;)
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I would be going in with hammer and chisel at around the drain point.
If the power sounder is already dead, only the main alarm will sound (until you remove the battery)
Fingers crossed!
Now, any suggestions on the steering lock? haha! Just kidding. :y
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long chisel and big hammer or a 32mm ring spanner, never seen one beat that
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tilt alarm is on the f/l at least. Possibly came in with the stupid f/l boot release.
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Must be facelift onwards then, cos I'm sure I've jacked my car alarmed with out the alarm triggering :-\
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The double press ONLY activates deadlocks. Trust me :y
The alarm horn is next to the power sounder horn, separate front the car horn which you can disconnect by kneeling by the car :y not very secure otherwise ;)
It does indeed say on page 59 of the owners manual that a 2nd push of the key within 10 secs of locking activates alarm. I agree with Jimbob that practically this is not the case (manual appears to be wrong) and that car alarms when locked on first press (hazards flash once and the interior led comes on and flashes after a short delay). As said second press within 10 secs activates deadlocks. This was the same on mfl and fl models (don't know re pre f/ls, never had one).
Proved when I forgot to deactivate internal motion & tilt sensor (locking/alarming as usual with one press only) and dog left in car set alarms off.
As said alarm horn is seperate from main horns, and is under scuttle, drivers side.
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This thread was helpful & I now realise I have a problem when locking the car with my key.
So as I turn the key the central locking works correctly, but my alarm does not activate ???
With the window down slightly holding & turning the key fully anti-clockwise should trigger the window to close & that isn`t working either. But all these features work if I use my key buttons. My c/l motor was on the fritz last year, so I followed the guides & put in a new part. but I `ve missed something surely. ???