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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: symes on 12 June 2013, 20:25:45
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Watchdog-BBC 1 now showing BMW 1/3/4 series M47 cam chains snap-£thousands to put right 2007-2009--call BMW on 08000 935 656 :y
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I was a victim :). http://youtu.be/xlcw515BLvo
2011 car. Well actually I'm lying, this was Crankshaft, the bit they didn't mention which also goes wrong.
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Saw it too, what they don't mention is oil service history? Usually these chains fail when they get brittle because of shit oil servicing
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Saw it too, what they don't mention is oil service history? Usually these chains fail when they get brittle because of shit oil servicing
The chains break because the sprockets for the chain are too sharp and cause excessive wear, BMW are well aware of the issue, and what the problem is. They have even opened a PUMA case which is in a in-house BMW case and they won't issue a recall. That I'm afraid is fact and something they can't get out of, and I have all the details of the case in question ;).
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Nope-these customers had them from bmw-thats why on Watch dog-lets face it-they cut corners-saving money-all manufacturers do-unfortunatly
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Saw it too, what they don't mention is oil service history? Usually these chains fail when they get brittle because of shit oil servicing
The chains break because the sprockets for the chain are too sharp and cause excessive wear, BMW are well aware of the issue, and what the problem is. They have even opened a PUMA case which is in a in-house BMW case and they won't issue a recall. That I'm afraid is fact and something they can't get out of, and I have all the details of the case in question ;).
Interesting! That engine was fitted to a lot of cars too :o
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BMW=Bring More Wonga
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How many miles had that done Del?
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BMW have had various other premature component failures which they have denied as well. Swirl flaps, 19 inch alloys cracking etc. Its a shame really. They used to be a brand that epitomised driving with reasonably good customer service, but have now moved on to being concerned about profits only.
Oh, and creating hideous hybrids with just the odd well designed car.
I used to be an ardent BMW fan, but have long lost interest in them due to the above issues. And the fact that every cock, penis and wart seems to own one.
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How many miles had that done Del?
13k.
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How many miles had that done Del?
13k.
:o :o :o :o :o
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BMW have had various other premature component failures which they have denied as well. Swirl flaps, 19 inch alloys cracking etc. Its a shame really. They used to be a brand that epitomised driving with reasonably good customer service, but have now moved on to being concerned about profits only.
Oh, and creating hideous hybrids with just the odd well designed car.
I used to be an ardent BMW fan, but have long lost interest in them due to the above issues. And the fact that every cock, penis and wart seems to own one.
Oh you been around were I live then ;D ;D newt door neighbour gets new one every 3 months ;D ;D ;D mug works for them and pays them for car--n o b
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Never really looked to see what bmw stands for (Bayerische Motoren Werke) according to google :o ;D
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13 thousand miles,that is horrific. :o
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13 thousand miles,that is horrific. :o
Omegas not even run in on that milage :D
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I think Watchdog is a poor programme, not fighting consumer causes, but trying to make sensational TV.
In the case of the BMW article they were trying to play on it shouldn't happen to BMW, because they are BMW. We all know BMW's reliability is approximately no better or no worse than any other marque.
As to the "specialist", they were scrapping the barrel. Its not entirely uncommon to have to remove engines for some repairs - and a timing chain isn't exactly a service item, but also would be expected to need maintenence after a good few miles have been covered. FFS, some cars need the engine removed to do the spark plugs!
For the cases they showed, another non-story. They should have picked the real cases - the low milers suffering.
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They should do a story on all the other drivers who have to put up with BMW drivers on the road - viewing figures will double. ;) ;)
A few extra BMW's not on the road, bad thing? ::)
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I think Watchdog is a poor programme, not fighting consumer causes, but trying to make sensational TV.
In the case of the BMW article they were trying to play on it shouldn't happen to BMW, because they are BMW. We all know BMW's reliability is approximately no better or no worse than any other marque.
As to the "specialist", they were scrapping the barrel. Its not entirely uncommon to have to remove engines for some repairs - and a timing chain isn't exactly a service item, but also would be expected to need maintenence after a good few miles have been covered. FFS, some cars need the engine removed to do the spark plugs!
For the cases they showed, another non-story. They should have picked the real cases - the low milers suffering.
mine does-but bay was for 2 litre fourpot and I put in 5 litre v8 :D :D
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Whose fault was that ::)
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130 thousand miles,that is horrific. :o
Omegas not even run in on that milage :D
Fixed that for you :y
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It's luck of the draw, I've had 17 other of exactly the same cars which have had no problem. I've got this one which will not stop giving me grief, and it's still giving me grief to this day because of BMW's piss poor workmanship, which they will not accept responsibility for. I can honestly say this one I've got at the minute is one of the most unreliable cars I've owned, one for the engine issues, after that was carried out under warranty, I've had nothing but problems as I say because of a terrible dealership with poor 'technicians'.
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It's luck of the draw, I've had 17 other of exactly the same cars which have had no problem. I've got this one which will not stop giving me grief, and it's still giving me grief to this day because of BMW's piss poor workmanship, which they will not accept responsibility for. I can honestly say this one I've got at the minute is one of the most unreliable cars I've owned, one for the engine issues, after that was carried out under warranty, I've had nothing but problems as I say because of a terrible dealership with poor 'technicians'.
Agreed - but all manufacturers have what used to be called Friday cars. My point is that Watchdog were playing on BMW being "better" than others. We all know, in reality, they are no different to any other. And that includes the dealers and their technicians.
And you know that pains me to stick up for BMW :P
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It's luck of the draw, I've had 17 other of exactly the same cars which have had no problem. I've got this one which will not stop giving me grief, and it's still giving me grief to this day because of BMW's piss poor workmanship, which they will not accept responsibility for. I can honestly say this one I've got at the minute is one of the most unreliable cars I've owned, one for the engine issues, after that was carried out under warranty, I've had nothing but problems as I say because of a terrible dealership with poor 'technicians'.
Agreed - but all manufacturers have what used to be called Friday cars. My point is that Watchdog were playing on BMW being "better" than others. We all know, in reality, they are no different to any other. And that includes the dealers and their technicians.
And you know that pains me to stick up for BMW :P
youre not-What you are doing is explaining no such thing as build quality these days-all made to cost now :(
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It's luck of the draw, I've had 17 other of exactly the same cars which have had no problem. I've got this one which will not stop giving me grief, and it's still giving me grief to this day because of BMW's piss poor workmanship, which they will not accept responsibility for. I can honestly say this one I've got at the minute is one of the most unreliable cars I've owned, one for the engine issues, after that was carried out under warranty, I've had nothing but problems as I say because of a terrible dealership with poor 'technicians'.
Agreed - but all manufacturers have what used to be called Friday cars. My point is that Watchdog were playing on BMW being "better" than others. We all know, in reality, they are no different to any other. And that includes the dealers and their technicians.
And you know that pains me to stick up for BMW :P
It's spot on and I couldn't agree more, the dealership network is pretty woeful, their 'technicians' don't know what to do unless a computer says do it, although their drink machines make a lovely cup of coffee, the customer service is terrible, and the reliability as you say is no better than any other Manufacturers out there, hence the reason I've got a 2011 car with 141 faults codes (8 pages of A4) ::).
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hence the reason I've got a 2011 car with 141 faults codes (8 pages of A4) ::).
I know modern cars have enough sensors to detect a passenger scratching their arse, but 141 is really impressive :o
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It's luck of the draw, I've had 17 other of exactly the same cars which have had no problem. I've got this one which will not stop giving me grief, and it's still giving me grief to this day because of BMW's piss poor workmanship, which they will not accept responsibility for. I can honestly say this one I've got at the minute is one of the most unreliable cars I've owned, one for the engine issues, after that was carried out under warranty, I've had nothing but problems as I say because of a terrible dealership with poor 'technicians'.
Agreed - but all manufacturers have what used to be called Friday cars. My point is that Watchdog were playing on BMW being "better" than others. We all know, in reality, they are no different to any other. And that includes the dealers and their technicians.
And you know that pains me to stick up for BMW :P
It's spot on and I couldn't agree more, the dealership network is pretty woeful, their 'technicians' don't know what to do unless a computer says do it, although their drink machines make a lovely cup of coffee, the customer service is terrible, and the reliability as you say is no better than any other Manufacturers out there, hence the reason I've got a 2011 car with 141 faults codes (8 pages of A4) ::).
my old miggys engine was like that-now my laptop/coffee/fone sat on it here (turned it into table) :y
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hence the reason I've got a 2011 car with 141 faults codes (8 pages of A4) ::).
I know modern cars have enough sensors to detect a passenger scratching their arse, but 141 is really impressive :o
Well this is from one fault diagnostic read:
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii38/GrizzlyLiam/IMG_1316_zps60d31bb2.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/GrizzlyLiam/media/IMG_1316_zps60d31bb2.jpg.html)
The only bit BMW have diagnosed as not working properly, showed up on another bit of paper as working really rather well.
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You would think that if these Friday cars like Del's are so few and far between they would have a strategy which took them back and replaced them before the PR damage starts to permeate the ether - maybe far more prevalent than we imagine.
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You would think that if these Friday cars like Del's are so few and far between they would have a strategy which took them back and replaced them before the PR damage starts to permeate the ether - maybe far more prevalent than we imagine.
Exactly! BMW (UK) are unbelievably not interested in pretty much any fault(s) I'm having. They are trying every little thing to get out of warranty work despite the car being covered until next April.
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go public-press -maybe that would work
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go public-press -maybe that would work
The ball is rolling :y.
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If you have hard evidence of slackness by BMW UK then take it to Germany. Are you sure it is BMW UK that is stalling or is it just what dealer is telling you? We had this shit with Audi.
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Yes I remember the Audi saga. Iirc the dealer got very little support from the factory...?
Also, don't forget BMW's swirl flap issue on the diesels. (Just thought I'd give them a kick as well, on my way through :) )
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If you have hard evidence of slackness by BMW UK then take it to Germany. Are you sure it is BMW UK that is stalling or is it just what dealer is telling you? We had this shit with Audi.
Most definitely slackness with BMW UK too :y.
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so much for German engineering eh >:(
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Yes I remember the Audi saga. Iirc the dealer got very little support from the factory...?
Also, don't forget BMW's swirl flap issue on the diesels. (Just thought I'd give them a kick as well, on my way through :) )
we thought it was Audi UK at first but after weeks of messing with the dealer the day the Audi Uk tech staff turned up in Camberley was the day it got solved
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Yes I remember the Audi saga. Iirc the dealer got very little support from the factory...?
Also, don't forget BMW's swirl flap issue on the diesels. (Just thought I'd give them a kick as well, on my way through :) )
we thought it was Audi UK at first but after weeks of messing with the dealer the day the Audi Uk tech staff turned up in Camberley was the day it got solved
Well according to BMW UK a technician has be called by the dealership.
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Lets all get on the BMW to issue a recall petition, I'm there :y.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/BMW_N47_engine_recall/