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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: jonny2112 on 03 July 2013, 20:20:26
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Took the front bumper off tonight with the intention of fitting the vapouriser in front of the drivers wheel. Unfortunately found that there was already a component taking up the space. Haven't identified it yet, but that can wait.
Anyway, there was still some room, but on each trial fitting I found it fouled the bumper, or more specifically, the foglight housing. There is a single position which accomodates it, but I think it is a little low, possibly just level with the bottom of the bumper. Probably not a good idea.
It's a little big to fit onto the inner wing as in the guide, and although I think it would probably fit above the horns on the passenger side of the bumper, that would require major work to route the pipes, etc.
So, any suggestions where I could fit the vap? It is quite large tbh. The bagpipes, etc are removed so I'm not sure there would be sufficient space at the floor, almost below the alternator, which was my second thought :-\
Edit: It's not the s/l pump is it?
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Edit: It's not the s/l pump is it?
Yep
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Edit: It's not the s/l pump is it?
Yep
Bearing in mind other plans, can it then be removed?
Also, can it be disconnected without any really detrimental effect on the suspension? Wasn't planning on changing the shocks just yet :-\
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Best place is under the coolant bottle, in place of the auxiliary heater pump :y
Needs to be mounted vertically for best results iirc. Remember, wherever you fit it, you need to run coolant pipes and lpg pipes to it, so better up and out of the way and out of the crumplezone :y
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mine is behind airbox under expansion tank--easiest place for routing pipework :y :y can take piccie if wanted :y
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can take piccie if wanted :y
That would be extremely helpful. Thank you very much :y
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Take it you have read and understood ALL the LPG guides in the maintenance section :-\
There are alot of useful pics which apply regardless of engine :y
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does this help at all
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/omega/004_zpsf7170fe1.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x429/sy427/omega/002_zpsb46694ce.jpg)
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Yes al, I've read them. Many times ;D
I was just a little put out by the initial problem, and sought some inspiration!
And thanks symes, I'm going to go out and have a look :y
Though that vap looks smaller or more compact than mine.
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mate-i got 2.5--that unit good for 3.0--it's zavoli :y
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Just checking as the only suggested location for it is where Symes has fitted his :y
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Bolt it to the inside of the suspension turret / inner wing under the water bottle.
As high up as possible because its a t**t to adjust the pressure without burning the back of your hand if its too low ;)
Make sure you clip up all cables and lpg pipes because the exhaust manifold is pretty close and the pipework and wiring don't like it ;)
Feel free to ask about anymore potential f**k up's :)
I think I found everyone before I got mine spot on :-[ ::) ;D ;D ;D
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As said, remove the winter warming pack (pump) from under the water bottle
I'm interested to see what vap you have that's too big to fit there. But as said, bare in mind you need to adjust the vap pressure when its commissioned.
Also, if the lpg fuel pipes are too long problems occur with delivery og gas to the injectors. (Tilo's words) so I'd suggest the bumper area is too far away anyway.
Is yours a single fuel feed or twin?
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Thanks guys for all the replies :y
Had another play there. The vap just about fits in the expansion tank area, but the connections for the water pipes are pointing at the engine, and I'm not sure there'll be sufficient room to manipulate the pipes to go in the right direction, but I'll have a go tomorrow. It will also be a bugger to get it drilled for fitting.
Wish I'd inspected behind the bumper before wasting time removing it :-[
I should add that the system was previously fitted to a similar car to mine, and I was simply trying to reinstall it the same way I removed it. It was working perfectly on removal. I have no previous knowledge of vapourisers but certainly this one looks larger than those pictured, and more annoyingly, the fitting for the lpg feed is extended away from the main body, thereby taking up more room.
In hindsight I should have explained this first, so I apologise if I have been misleading :-[
As said, remove the winter warming pack (pump) from under the water bottle
I'll have to look into that because that would probably makes things easier :y
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It does. Lots.
You won't notice the pump missing unless you sit in the car in winter with engine off/heater on, which means a flat battery in 20mins with the radio on as well, going by Mrs Gixers efforts. ::)
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It does. Lots.
You won't notice the pump missing unless you sit in the car in winter with engine off/heater on, which means a flat battery in 20mins with the radio on as well, going by Mrs Gixers efforts. ::)
Oh dear :-X
Can the connecting pipes to the pump be blocked off then? or do they actually need to be connected to each other when the pump's removed?
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Join them together using a couple of inches of copper pipe. ;)
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Cheers Albs. I can cut them right back then, and make some more room :y
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It does. Lots.
You won't notice the pump missing unless you sit in the car in winter with engine off/heater on, which means a flat battery in 20mins with the radio on as well, going by Mrs Gixers efforts. ::)
Oh dear :-X
Can the connecting pipes to the pump be blocked off then? or do they actually need to be connected to each other when the pump's removed?
Iirc there is an oe pipe from vx that replaces the pump gubbins. Might be listed in the guides. It replaces the bulk head exit hose so it doesn't kink. Which is a risk when joining. Lazydocker has details I'm sure.
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Thanks Chris. That'd be handy!
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Actually,not all omegas had the winter pack pump,so a hose from a car without it should do the job I suppose. Its just possible I might even have one lying around somewhere.Will have a look for you when Ive got a minute. :y
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Actually,not all omegas had the winter pack pump,so a hose from a car without it should do the job I suppose. Its just possible I might even have one lying around somewhere.Will have a look for you when Ive got a minute. :y
Thanks a million :y
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I know its a 4 pot, but mine is underneath the expansion tank too...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Extra/DSC00738.JPG)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Extra/DSC00740.JPG)
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Thanks Mark, it's definitely the way forward. When I get home tonight I'm going to try and at least remove the secondary heater from its mount, and tie it out of the way to improve access. Thinking I may also try to fabricate a new fixing for the vap itself, which may then allow for greater flexibility in positioning, particularly with regard to the feed pipes.
Still smarting that I wasted time with the front bumper though :-[
On the plus side, I suppose I'll know how to do it again if necessary ;D
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I know its a 4 pot, but mine is underneath the expansion tank too...
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Extra/DSC00738.JPG)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Extra/DSC00740.JPG)
As per the pics in the guide :y hence my mentioning it ::)
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Yes al, sorry. Re reading earlier posts it may seem that I was abrupt or ungrateful when you mentioned it. That was certainly not my intention, and I apologise if this is how it was perceived.
I didn't think that particular position was suitable for me for the reasons mentioned, and I was looking for alternatives. The fact the heater can be removed should hopefully rectify the problem :y
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No worries :y Alot of the guide was written using Tunnies car, which although easily dismissed being a four pot, is still very much relevant to a V6 installation...
If you wanted to retain the heater pump, you might find space for it (the heater pump) further forward, attached to the airbox, next to the MAF :-\
Depending on the design of the vapouriser, it should be possible to bolt it through from the wheel arch. There's a pic of where the bolt is :y and I suspect the bolt shown is within an inch of that position on most of the Lpg Omegas here :-\
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Cheers al :y
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ive just fitted a prins system to the mv6, it is fitted behind the drivers bumper and was also in same location on doner car, really high up against chassis rail, keeps engine bay from getting cluttered and a very tidy way forward, on the elite it also has a prins and this one is beside air box and a pita when comes to working on it
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ive just fitted a prins system to the mv6, it is fitted behind the drivers bumper and was also in same location on doner car, really high up against chassis rail, keeps engine bay from getting cluttered and a very tidy way forward, on the elite it also has a prins and this one is beside air box and a pita when comes to working on it
on mine--remove airbox-2mins and can access vap unit ;) will post piccie of mounting--if needed :y
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ive just fitted a prins system to the mv6, it is fitted behind the drivers bumper and was also in same location on doner car, really high up against chassis rail, keeps engine bay from getting cluttered and a very tidy way forward, on the elite it also has a prins and this one is beside air box and a pita when comes to working on it
Were they certified :-\ strikes me as being a bit vulnerable there... where do the gas lines run?
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ive just fitted a prins system to the mv6, it is fitted behind the drivers bumper and was also in same location on doner car, really high up against chassis rail, keeps engine bay from getting cluttered and a very tidy way forward, on the elite it also has a prins and this one is beside air box and a pita when comes to working on it
Were they certified :-\ strikes me as being a bit vulnerable there... where do the gas lines run?
do you mean mine mate? zavoli guy checked whole system for me-used to service it too-but he moved now--if you know anywhere near me---let me know :y :y
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No mate :y, meant the cars with it mounted in front of the wheel, behind the bumper. Would have thought any where in the crumple zone (especially outside the chassis rails) would have been a big no no :-\ Not to mention running the gas lines round the entire front suspension... it's bad enough not being able to run them behind the wheel arch liner past the vapour canister :-\
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oh you frightened me there for a minute or three----but under bumper----thats mental-surely not good---in a bump could split gas feed-ooh dont like the thought of driving a car that could be seriously dangerous :o :o :o
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Hence my question ::) (and yesterdays little discussion...)
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Honestly mate--leave common sense in its box eh----even i figured out that under bumper is mental-----and i know square root of zero about lpg----though leant a bit on here :y :y especially that info in maintenance section----pity people dont look there first eh----the amount of times a question asked----and info sitting there for them--if they could be asked to look >:(
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I'm guessing this is aimed at me. Fair point. I planned to refit the system as I had removed from donor car. Ignorance on my part. Now better informed :y
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I'm guessing this is aimed at me. Fair point. I planned to refit the system as I had removed from donor car. Ignorance on my part. Now better informed :y
no mate---loads on here never ever read or check through guides-if they did -they would save themselves a lot of lost time/aggro----you know---start thread---wait---etc---really bugs me--ok if someone cant find what they want--as in your case-valid----you want safety with lpg---so fair enough mate--check some threads--anywhere--see what i mean ;)
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and yes were certified to be there on my car too, gas pipe is run through a hole in inner wing along the pipework there and then down to floor rails, got to crumple a long way to hit it
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and yes were certified to be there on my car too, gas pipe is run through a hole in inner wing along the pipework there and then down to floor rails, got to crumple a long way to hit it
and a fair bit of metal around unit too eh :y :y :y
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By way of update, removed the mounting bracket for the heater and moved the assembly out of the way, providing sufficient room for the vap. I did get a little carried away as the airbox was already removed, and you forget how much space it takes up. Anyway, think I have it in a suitable position and will trial fit tomorrow so I can start to measure out the pipe work, etc.
In relation to the heater unit, is it worth keeping? There may still be room for it in a slightly different position. And without examining too closely, I couldn't decide if the two pipes (one from bulkhead, and other from hbv) are the same size. That would be handy!
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Same size pipes.
Remove it completely. It does very little.
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Same size pipes.
Remove it completely. It does very little.
Cool, thanks mate.
That means I can chop the one from the bulkhead and attach to the hbv.
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pipes go from engine to vap inlet then to hbv inlet--hope that helps :y
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Sorry, I mean when I remove the heater pump. Rather than have to join the two pipes together, I can use part of one :y
pipes go from engine to vap inlet then to hbv inlet--hope that helps :y
And yes it does, thanks :y
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basically as long as vap is looped between engine and hbv inlet--pipes from hbv left alone :y
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As per the guide ::)
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As per the guide ::)
yep indeed as above +1 :y :y :y