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Title: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 19 August 2013, 12:21:27
I was planning on exchanging my housing association home recently but cancelled as the lady I was swapping with said she was having second thoughts. In the meantime I found a more suitable property.

The lady I was exchanging with has ordered Talk Talk services to be switched on at my home on 28th August. This means my Sky services will be switched off. I rang Sky and they said they couldn't stop this, I had to ask my exchange partner to do it. I have tried but she is ignoring me.

Has anyone else had this problem?

How can I stop this happening? I tried ringing Talk Talk but I got this Indian lady who could hardly speak any English so she couldn't do anything.

Ofcom won't investigate individual cases.

Thanks for any advice. :y
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: omega3000 on 19 August 2013, 13:53:06
I bet Tunnie would sort it out  :-\
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 August 2013, 14:29:55
I was planning on exchanging my housing association home recently but cancelled as the lady I was swapping with said she was having second thoughts. In the meantime I found a more suitable property.

The lady I was exchanging with has ordered Talk Talk services to be switched on at my home on 28th August. This means my Sky services will be switched off. I rang Sky and they said they couldn't stop this, I had to ask my exchange partner to do it. I have tried but she is ignoring me.

Has anyone else had this problem?

How can I stop this happening? I tried ringing Talk Talk but I got this Indian lady who could hardly speak any English so she couldn't do anything.

Ofcom won't investigate individual cases.

Thanks for any advice. :y

I do not understand why Sky would not take instructions from you as you are their customer, not the exchange lady. Write to them and instruct them in writing to maintain the service to your address and continue with the current contractual arrangement.  Another party can never stop the contract you have with Sky, and it takes your agreement. Make it clear to Sky, if they do not continue their contractual arrangement with you, their customer, they will be deemed to have failed to honour that contract and you will cease to pay for their services.

As for Talktalk, they are a bunch of wasters and I recommend you have nothing to do with them as they are not your problem; their customer is your ex-exchange lady.

Sky currently are in a war for business, so they are unlikely to let you go when you do not want to.  Threaten them with going to Virgin; I would be surprised if they do not react very quickly to resolve this nonsense! In fact their Resolution Department are the guys to speak to :y :y :y
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 August 2013, 14:37:07
Indeed, nobody can affect your package with Sky, but anyone can phone the wholesaler (BT) and get you cut off, unfortunately. I had the same problem when I last moved house. BT processed the previous residents' disconnection after they'd connected my service.

It worked great for a couple of days, then nothing, and about 2 weeks delay while BT bickered with everyone else before connecting it again.  >:(

Yes, you'd think a cage of baboons could do a better job, but we are where we are.

Not much you can do until you get cut off. Then you've got to whinge at Sky, who'll send you to BT, who'll send you to Sky, who'll send....(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/banghead.gif)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 19 August 2013, 16:57:15
Yes Sky said they couldn't stop it. I was very firm in telling them that I didn't want disconnecting but they insisted that they could do nothing about it.

It seems a bit mad to me. That means that if you have an argument with a neighbour for example, they could go online and have all your broadband and phone disconnected, and there's nothing you could do about it? :o
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 August 2013, 17:03:32
Yes Sky said they couldn't stop it. I was very firm in telling them that I didn't want disconnecting but they insisted that they could do nothing about it.

It seems a bit mad to me. That means that if you have an argument with a neighbour for example, they could go online and have all your broadband and phone disconnected, and there's nothing you could do about it? :o


As I said Kate, speak to the Sky Resolution Team and TELL them what you want and state clearly what WILL happen with their contract with you if they do nothing.  Watch them jump!! :y :y
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 August 2013, 17:06:51
It seems a bit mad to me. That means that if you have an argument with a neighbour for example, they could go online and have all your broadband and phone disconnected, and there's nothing you could do about it? :o

Well, they'd have to set up a contract with a provider and, quite possibly, pay them money before anything would happen, but it seems that by the time instructions get down to BT there's no possibility to check that what's happening actually makes any sense.

The suppliers also have to pay for services they call on BT wholesale for, so "wait and see" will always be their first line when anything is reported. ::)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 19 August 2013, 17:11:27
The Ofcom website:

http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/telecoms/changing-provider/ (http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/telecoms/changing-provider/)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 August 2013, 17:19:47
The Ofcom website:

http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/telecoms/changing-provider/ (http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/tell-us/telecoms/changing-provider/)

Exactly Kate, they state:

Slamming 
If you think you have been switched to a new provider without your knowledge or consent, contact your old provider and ask that they transfer your service back as soon as possible.
You should also contact the provider who has taken over your service and tell them you did not agree to the transfer. 
Explain the circumstances and ask them to investigate this for you. 
If this does not resolve your problem, follow the process in the side box. 
Attempted Slamming 
If you think someone is attempting to switch you to a new provider without your knowledge or consent, ask your current provider to cancel the order. 
This should be possible up to 24 hours before the transfer is due to take place. You should also tell the provider who is trying to take over your service that you wish to cancel. 
If this does not resolve your problem, follow the process in the side box. 


The highlighted section says it all.  Just pick up that phone and moan your head off at the SKY Resolution Team!! ;)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 19 August 2013, 19:30:09
Yes I'm going to give them a call again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: AndyRoid on 19 August 2013, 20:29:56
While you are on the phone to the useless c***s, tell them that if they break the contract then you will do to them what they do to the customer by instigating legal action.

Also tell them (at the end) that you recorded the call just like they do, they will s**t themselves and go on the defensive immediately.
I have no idea why they react the way they do when you tell them you are also recording the call, but after that you will find all of a sudden they seem to get it right first time.

Note that when you tell them you are recording, they will tell you straight away you are breaking the law.
I can tell you from first hand experience however that it is perfectly legal for anyone to record their own personal phone calls, you simply can't use that recording against the other party in any legal action should it go to court (but they don't know that).
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: bigegg on 19 August 2013, 23:39:31
While you are on the phone to the useless c***s, tell them that if they break the contract then you will do to them what they do to the customer by instigating legal action.

Also tell them (at the end) that you recorded the call just like they do, they will s**t themselves and go on the defensive immediately.
I have no idea why they react the way they do when you tell them you are also recording the call, but after that you will find all of a sudden they seem to get it right first time.

Note that when you tell them you are recording, they will tell you straight away you are breaking the law.
I can tell you from first hand experience however that it is perfectly legal for anyone to record their own personal phone calls, you simply can't use that recording against the other party in any legal action should it go to court (but they don't know that).

That's only *partly* true.

You can enter a transcript of the conversation as evidence - and if they deny it, *then* you can ask permission of the judge to allow playing of the original.

Also - "calls may be recorded" works both ways.
The word "may" gives permission, not possibility ("can")
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 20 August 2013, 01:02:08
Slamming!  :o  Now there's a completely new concept to me!! :-\ I've obviously led a sheltered life!!  ::)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 20 August 2013, 09:47:10
Slamming!  :o  Now there's a completely new concept to me!! :-\ I've obviously led a sheltered life!!  ::)

I'd never heard of it either.

Thanks for all the advice. :y
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: tunnie on 20 August 2013, 10:10:35
Lots of Sky threads recently  :o

As above, not a lot Sky can do here as its the broadband line. Sky like all others just run off BT's - So anyone can ring up and get things changed.

As Kevin says, when ever Sky wants to sort your broadband, we just ask BT to do it  ::)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 20 August 2013, 12:32:07
Thanks for explaining Tunnie. :y

Will Sky cut my TV service off too?
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: tunnie on 20 August 2013, 12:34:20
Thanks for explaining Tunnie. :y

Will Sky cut my TV service off too?

No that is separate, that is tied to you and you alone as it all runs off BSkyB kit. The phone is different as we run over BT's setup, as others have explain above though, ring them up and tell them the situation and if it does stop working then you will most likey move anyway, although are you locked into a contract?

Option B is to connect using TalkTalk and use the net for free until new person paying stops  ;D
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lazydocker on 20 August 2013, 13:06:48
You've all missed the point... Sky can stop this...

Quote
If you think someone is attempting to switch you to a new provider without your knowledge or consent, ask your current provider to cancel the order. 
This should be possible up to 24 hours before the transfer is due to take place. You should also tell the provider who is trying to take over your service that you wish to cancel. 

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 20 August 2013, 19:40:29
You've all missed the point... Sky can stop this...

Quote
If you think someone is attempting to switch you to a new provider without your knowledge or consent, ask your current provider to cancel the order. 
This should be possible up to 24 hours before the transfer is due to take place. You should also tell the provider who is trying to take over your service that you wish to cancel. 

 ;) ;)


That is what I have been saying LD all along since my first post on this thread ;) ;)

All Kate has to do is be very firm on this and tell SKY what they MUST do :y :y
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Broomies Mate on 20 August 2013, 20:08:56
Threatening to cancel the contract when it has already (on their system) been ended will get you the grand total of naff all!  ;D

Forget the threats, just get back on the phone and explain the situation again!  Someone at Sky will have more than a single brain cell and work out that an error has been made (all be it, not by them).

What YOU need to work out is HOW someone else was able to terminate YOUR contract without YOUR authorisation. 

I'm only second guessing, but I believe you have authorised the cancellation, and as the telephone line switch-over has been actioned, Sky are unable to do much without the 'Exhchange'ee' doing something.

If it were me, I'd be playing dumb, saying a lot of sorry's and hoping someone comes to my help!
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lazydocker on 20 August 2013, 20:09:33
You've all missed the point... Sky can stop this...

Quote
If you think someone is attempting to switch you to a new provider without your knowledge or consent, ask your current provider to cancel the order. 
This should be possible up to 24 hours before the transfer is due to take place. You should also tell the provider who is trying to take over your service that you wish to cancel. 

 ;) ;)


That is what I have been saying LD all along since my first post on this thread ;) ;)

All Kate has to do is be very firm on this and tell SKY what they MUST do :y :y

I know Lizzie ;)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 20 August 2013, 21:02:30
I did ring and explain what the problem was but they seemed to think there was nothing that could be done.

I'm going to contact them again tomorrow.

I knew nothing about this problem until I got a letter from Sky saying 'sorry you are leaving'

I didn't contact Sky or Talk Talk or anyone, for that matter, the letter just arrived saying I was leaving Sky.
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 20 August 2013, 21:04:14
I'll keep hassling them until it's sorted. :y :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 August 2013, 22:45:30
I did ring and explain what the problem was but they seemed to think there was nothing that could be done no standard answer on the computer they could fob me off with.

Fixed. :y

Frankly, if they cut you off now, I'd let it rest for a month or two then join again with an introductory offer. ;D
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 20 August 2013, 22:51:05
Just give up having a TV Kate. It's very liberating!!  :)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Kate on 20 August 2013, 23:42:35
Just give up having a TV Kate. It's very liberating!!  :)

OMG I'm a TV addict! ;D
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 August 2013, 10:31:10
I'll keep hassling them until it's sorted. :y :-* :-* :-* :-*

That's the way us girls must do it! :D :D :D :D :D :y :y :y

Give them right earache until they see how stupid SKY are! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 21 August 2013, 10:35:13
Nag nag nag!!!! and you'll get your way in the end!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Slamming Problem - Don't Want To Lose Sky
Post by: SandBoy on 21 August 2013, 10:48:29
Normally these "sorry you are leaving" letters also say "it's not to late to change your mind".
I agree what others have said,if you havn't cancelled the contract,then surely they (SKY) or someone there has cocked up!
Otherwise every one that has a grudge against someone could do serious damage!