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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 November 2013, 17:26:44
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I'm now £569.10 the poorer after buying 1000 litres of oil. :'( :'(
The only bright side is that I managed to negotiate the price down from 57.05ppl to 54.20ppl exclusive of the dreaded V.A.T, and a couple of phone calls saved me about £28.
Not much I know but better than a knee to the groin.
When we moved into this house some 9 years ago the cost of oil was 20ppl plus V.A.T. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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That's what you get for heating your country estate with fossil fuels, you planet killing planet hater, you!
Get some wind farms built, I hear they're the next great thing...
;)
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Become an MP.its
free * then. :y
*People who are much poorer than you will pay your bill,but no need to lose any sleep over it. ::)
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
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With the modern wonders of hindsight, perhaps you should have budgeted for a 25000 ltr tank when you moved in ::)
£5k to fill at 20ppl, but you'd be ok until 2029 :y
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
not that long i'd wager.....unless mr opti is a tightwad on doesnt turn the heating on....
my bro has a 2000l tank and i believe he gets it refilled several times a year.....he tries to get it filled before the heavy frost and or snow turns up....as the tanker refuses to deliver....steep lane to his driveway.
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How long will that little lot last roughly?
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I suspect that that is a good price and if Mr Opti needs to fill up again before the spring, he'll pay more in February (say) especially if we have a hard winter! :-\
Of course as The Duke of Lincolnshire sits in The House of Lords, he'll put it all on expenses!! ::) I think he likes to have a little whinge now and again!! :P ;D
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
Depends on the size of your house, Aaron. To be fully warm 24/7 we probably need about 3,000 litres each year. However, we make do with 1000 litres and a couple of extra jumpers. :y
The whole family moans. :-\ :'(
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Well if I had a mansion :D
not I would plant a 36000l tank below ground as you would get another 20% discount when you buy tanker load :y
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
Depends on the size of your house, Aaron. To be fully warm 24/7 we probably need about 3,000 litres each year. However, we make do with 1000 litres and a couple of extra jumpers. :y
The whole family moans. :-\ :'(
Ouch.. about 3x as expensive as gas heating here, then .. unless you really do live in a stately pile ;)
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If the rumours are true you should be able to get a sizable solar farm on your vast country estate Mr Opti :y
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
Depends on the size of your house, Aaron. To be fully warm 24/7 we probably need about 3,000 litres each year. However, we make do with 1000 litres and a couple of extra jumpers. :y
The whole family moans. :-\ :'(
Ouch.. about 3x as expensive as gas heating here, then .. unless you really do live in a stately pile ;)
A hovel would be a better description. :)
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I'm now £569.10 the poorer after buying 1000 litres of oil. :'( :'(
The only bright side is that I managed to negotiate the price down from 57.05ppl to 54.20ppl exclusive of the dreaded V.A.T, and a couple of phone calls saved me about £28.
Not much I know but better than a knee to the groin.
When we moved into this house some 9 years ago the cost of oil was 20ppl plus V.A.T. >:( >:( >:( >:(
That's about what N Power put into my bank account last month having over charged me for months....... :D :D :D
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A hovel would be a better description. :)
I find that hard to believe - I've seen some of the houses in South Lincs! :P (Actually my parents recently moved to Market Deeping, right on the South Lincs/Cambs border .. not into a stately pile, though!)
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Incidentally, how long does that 1000L last you, Opti? Just wondering as the place in Cornwall was on oil (and roasty toasty it was too) and at the time I was pondering how efficient oil heating is in general.
I'm kinda interested in this. I'm hoping to buy a house with no gas but heating is oil, and trying to figure out the cost implications. It can't possibly be as expensive as things are now (gas heating in London). Or can it ?
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All those with oil fired systems .. please make sure your tank is well secure, not just fillers but drains as well ...
Two friends of ours who both live out in the sticks - hence the oil systems - have both had large volumes stolen within days of being filled. Police actually believe, but cannot yet prove, that someone in the company is passing info on .... :(
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What is heating oil? Kerosene/paraffin?
Could you run an old diesel like my Merc or Albs new aquisition on it? ??? :)
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Possibly :-\ but you would almost certainly be committing a serious criminal offence. ;)
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What is heating oil? Kerosene/paraffin?
Could you run an old diesel like my Merc or Albs new aquisition on it? ??? :)
Yes, but no, that would be running on Red and very much a no no...... ;) ;)
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What is heating oil? Kerosene/paraffin?
Could you run an old diesel like my Merc or Albs new aquisition on it? ??? :)
Yes, but no, that would be running on Red and very much a no no...... ;) ;)
Is that what it is then red diesel? ??? 'Scuse my ignorance... :-\ ;D
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Afaik red diesel is just diesel with dye in it to show it is exempt from duty being paid. :y
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What is heating oil? Kerosene/paraffin?
Could you run an old diesel like my Merc or Albs new aquisition on it? ??? :)
Yes, but no, that would be running on Red and very much a no no...... ;) ;)
Is that what it is then red diesel? ??? 'Scuse my ignorance... :-\ ;D
Yes, or could be Kerosene either way you must not get caught running a car on it..... ;) ;)
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Veg oil is also exempt from duty, up to 2500 litres per year,as long as its only for personal use. I use less than half that. :)
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Veg oil is also exempt from duty, up to 2500 litres per year,as long as its only for personal use. I use less than half that. :)
And my thinking was could this be used for heating oil, theory is yes-may need some treatment...... :-\ :-\
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Any oil burns in the right circumstances....... :y :y
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Afaik red diesel is just diesel with dye in it to show it is exempt from duty being paid. :y
That's exactly right Albs and for non road use only. Agricultural, fisheries, construction etc ;)
I think it's more likely to be kerosene, in which case how would anyone know? :-\
My Dad had a 'Little Grey Fergie' Ferguson tractor which ran on paraffin, but had a small tank with petrol to start up on, then when it was warm you switched to paraffin. I learnt to drive on that aged 9! :)
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Afaik red diesel is just diesel with dye in it to show it is exempt from duty being paid. :y
That's exactly right Albs and for non road use only. Agricultural, fisheries, construction etc ;)
I think it's more likely to be kerosene, in which case how would anyone know? :-\
Follow the smell....... ;) ;)
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You've obviously never sat behind Albs in a traffic jam!!! :o ::) ;D
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You've obviously never sat behind Albs in a traffic jam!!! :o ::) ;D
Chips......... :y :y
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Everywhere I go people moan about the smell of "a manky old chip shop" from my Cavalier. Swmbo wont get in it. ;D ;D
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Everywhere I go people moan about the smell of "a manky old chip shop" from my Cavalier. Swmbo wont get in it. ;D ;D
Tell her to walk then........ ;) ;)
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Its one reason to keep the Omega. ;) ;D
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Its one reason to keep the Omega. ;) ;D
But that does not make economic sense, don't get anywhere with my Mrs either on that one... ::) ::) :'(
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You should know better than to use "economic sense " and "Mrs" in the same sentence. ;D
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What is heating oil? Kerosene/paraffin?
Could you run an old diesel like my Merc or Albs new aquisition on it? ??? :)
No, it would go bang fairly quickly! Heating oil is thinner and cheaper than 'red' diesel, which as others have pointed out is the same as ordinary diesel just with a dye in it. :y
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Heating oil comes in different grades. 20 sec,30sec.
older style diesal cars with mechanical pumps, will run on heating oil,kerosene,and chip oil.
its just these new fankled DI and hp pumps that don't like the above mixtures, and as for some of that new bio-diesal,the problems that's causing, blogged filters,and pumps slime growth in bulk tanks.
Think i just stick to me old petrol,loot better for the environment,dosnt chuck out all them nasty black soot,that is bad for us. :)
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Heating oil can actually be a variety of fuels, as boilers aren't that fussy, so whatever the refinery has a glut of, be it kerosene that doesn't meet the standards to be sold as aviation fuel, paraffin, diesel, etc. it gets blended to roughly the right viscosity and to stay liquid at ambient temperature for the season and bob's your uncle. I don't doubt that a diesel engine would burn it quite happily but, as with all fuel not sold with road duty paid, it's dyed red, so you're in trouble if you get caught using it on the road.
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Thanks guys! Those were the answers I was looking for. ::)
ie Yes it would probably be OK in an older style diesel, but like red diesel has the dye in it so is a no no! :(
I'll stick to veggie oil then!! :)
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I am currently looking at waste oil burners for use at the heritage centre where we currently have a few thousand litres of waste oil to get rid of.
The regs are 'challenging' for this though although its a surprisingly clean heat source
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What type of oil is it ?
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Used engine oil, so a Part B permit required to use.
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I am currently looking at waste oil burners for use at the heritage centre where we currently have a few thousand litres of waste oil to get rid of.
The regs are 'challenging' for this though although its a surprisingly clean heat source
I have a Thermobile oil burning heater in my workshop,don't need a permit as mine has output below a certain threshold and I only burn my own oil,had to check with EA as my workshop is on a landfill site perimeter
good heater though,toasty here in winter :y :y
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I am currently looking at waste oil burners for use at the heritage centre where we currently have a few thousand litres of waste oil to get rid of.
The regs are 'challenging' for this though although its a surprisingly clean heat source
I have a Thermobile oil burning heater in my workshop,don't need a permit as mine has output below a certain threshold and I only burn my own oil,had to check with EA as my workshop is on a landfill site perimeter
good heater though,toasty here in winter :y :y
Well keep quiet or have it hidden as even a SWOB (Small Waste Oil Burner - sub 3MW) requires an environmental permit from your local authority (its an offence to burn oil without one).
So legaly you do need a permit
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I am currently looking at waste oil burners for use at the heritage centre where we currently have a few thousand litres of waste oil to get rid of.
The regs are 'challenging' for this though although its a surprisingly clean heat source
I have a Thermobile oil burning heater in my workshop,don't need a permit as mine has output below a certain threshold and I only burn my own oil,had to check with EA as my workshop is on a landfill site perimeter
good heater though,toasty here in winter :y :y
Well keep quiet or have it hidden as even a SWOB (Small Waste Oil Burner - sub 3MW) requires an environmental permit from your local authority (its an offence to burn oil without one).
So legaly you do need a permit
So why did the EA say I didnt ???I even showed them the spec sheet that came with as I too was told I'd need a permit
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Local garage uses oil burning heaters. Free to them, once installed, and they still have an excess they can't get rid of.
Where as my Mum had to move to a smaller house in Cumbria due to the prohibitive cost of the oil fired boiler. I don't know the figures though. Living in the sticks ain't cheap. Afaik.
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It comes under DEFRA, Part B of Environmental Permitting, loads of info here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211863/env-permitting-general-guidance-a.pdf
The issue is the people you consult are bloody useless, I have just this week been speaking to them regarding oil storage and bunds, when asked what storage capacity the bund required if holding 2 off seperate 205 litre drums they stated the sum of the two plus 25%. Research shows this is wrong and its actualy 110% of the largest container or 25% of the total capacity, which ever is greatest.
Hence I would have been buying one to dam large if it wasnt for the fact I decided what they were saying made no sense and researched out the formal regs. >:(
Remembering also that just becasue you ahev been given bad advice, does not stop you getting a fine or worse....
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It comes under DEFRA, Part B of Environmental Permitting, loads of info here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211863/env-permitting-general-guidance-a.pdf
The issue is the people you consult are bloody useless, I have just this week been speaking to them regarding oil storage and bunds, when asked what storage capacity the bund required if holding 2 off seperate 205 litre drums they stated the sum of the two plus 25%. Research shows this is wrong and its actualy 110% of the largest container or 25% of the total capacity, which ever is greatest.
Hence I would have been buying one to dam large if it wasnt for the fact I decided what they were saying made no sense and researched out the formal regs. >:(
Remembering also that just becasue you ahev been given bad advice, does not stop you getting a fine or worse....
Yep,did some digging last night and found that it does need permit :-X :-X,bugger >:(
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Yes, do a bit more digging and you will find it needs a minimum 5m flue which is 2m from windows and openings and at least 1 m above the roof line.
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Yes, do a bit more digging and you will find it needs a minimum 5m flue which is 2m from windows and openings and at least 1 m above the roof line.
I got that bit right 8)