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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Stemo on 06 March 2014, 10:26:31
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On the news this morning...according to various health agencies, adults should have no more than six spoons of sugar each day. I've already had three cups of coffee with two teaspoons in each, so I'm gonna have to pretend to be a typical British person and say that they didn't say what sized spoon. :)
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There was a time when I had six heaped spoons in a single cup of tea...
We did an exercise at school where we had to measure out how much sugar, hidden and added, that we consumed in any given week. Mine was summat in the order of 7 kilos :-[
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Mmmm... Well I can't stand tea or coffee without sugar so I'll just have to cut down I suppose. At the moment I probably drink around 5-6 cups a day,so not kicking the arse out of it.
Swmbo uses sweeteners, makes the drink taste bloody awful IMO
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I went cold turkey in November... Won't touch sweetners as their even less good for you than sugar :-\ think diet coke etc
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They will soon be telling us that too much sex is bad for you :D :D
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They will soon be telling us that too much sex is bad for you :D :D
Need to get some in order to have too much :D
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Baked beans are full of sugar, as is bread. :)
It's not all bad though, because there is no sugar in chocolate and cakes. ::) ::) ::) :)
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So, yesterday it was too much protein, today it's too much sugar.... Maybe we should just starve? ::)
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Baked beans are full of sugar, .....
Heinz Beanz were one of the products noted for how much sugar they do contain .... but IIRC we do a lower sugar/lower salt version :-\
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Sugar is the new tobacco they say. Hot sugar smells nice, so I don't buy it, frankly.
Pancake day yesterday. Plus half a dozen cups of tea. Way over. ::)
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Talking about Sugar, have a play with this.
http://bartbonte.com/sugarsugar/
Warning, as you go through the levels, its additive and time consuming. :o
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when the pancreas cells announce game over, you can hardly take a time extension in which you have to check your blood and inject insuline frequently.. so its your decision, to take that inevitable time point back ..
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Wife and son use Stevia, it,s a plant extract. Costs about £15 for 12 oz on line and you need very little to taste.
It,s got to be better than sweeteners which contain Aspartame. :y
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I used to be a sugar fiend, having about four spoons in a cup of tea - now I can't stand tea with it in.
I do so dislike the amount of advice and 'dangle berries' we get told, if we followed every bit of nutrition agvice at once we'd be living on water. But only the purest, from the tap, not a bottle, but not from the tap unless it's been Brita filtered, but then check the filter is clean and sterile, but don't use too much sterilising agent, etc, etc... :y
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Baked beans are full of sugar, .....
Heinz Beanz were one of the products noted for how much sugar they do contain .... but IIRC we do a lower sugar/lower salt version :-\
That i've seen :y
But if they contain soo much sugar......how come i watched a tv prog a while ago that stated if you lived on beans on toast.....its a pretty well balanced diet :-\
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So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? :-\
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So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? :-\
Aspartame by a country mile :-\
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So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? :-\
Who cares? Our parents ate everything they could get, sugar, salt, fat, etc. The difference being that they didn't eat preservatives and colourings, that's where all the shit lies.
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So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? :-\
Aspartame by a country mile :-\
We've had all this aspartame crap before, conspiracy theory.
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An elaborate health scare,[7] involving a hoax conspiracy theory disseminated on many Internet websites, attributes a host of deleterious medical effects to aspartame. This theory claims that the FDA approval process of aspartame was tainted[12][26][27] and cites as its source an email based upon a supposed talk by a "Nancy Markle" (the author has never come forward) at a "World Environmental Conference".[12][26][28] Specifically, the hoax websites allege that aspartame is responsible for multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, and methanol toxicity, causing "blindness, spasms, shooting pains, seizures, headaches, depression, anxiety, memory loss, birth defects" and death.[6] A proliferation of websites, many with sensationalist urls, are filled with anecdotal claims and medical misinformation.[29] The Markle hoax and its extended argument on "aspartamekills.com" have not been supported by medical studies.[30] The email has been described as an "Internet smear campaign ... Its contents were entirely false, misleading, and defamatory to various popular products and their manufacturers, with no basis whatever in fact."[8]
The "Markle" email says that there is a conspiracy between the FDA and the producers of aspartame, and the conspiracy theory has become a canonical example discussed on several Internet conspiracy theory and urban legend websites.[12][31] Although most of the allegations of this theory contradict the bulk of medical evidence,[26] the misinformation has spread around the world as chain emails since mid-December 1998,[12] influencing many websites[31] as an urban legend that continues to scare consumers.[26] The Media Awareness Network featured one version of it in a tutorial on how to determine the credibility of a web page. The tutorial implied that the "Markle" letter was not credible and stated that it should not be used as an authoritative source of information.[6]
Dean Edell warned very strongly against the "Markle" letter:
Beware The E-Mail Hoax: The Evils Of Nutrasweet (Aspartame)
A highly inaccurate "chain letter" is being circulated via e-mail warning the reader of the health dangers of aspartame (Nutrasweet) diet drinks. There is so much scientific untruth in it, it's scary. Be careful, because others know how to manipulate you by this. Just because something is beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it is scientific. The e-mail is outrageous enough to state that the Multiple Sclerosis Foundation is suing the FDA for collusion with Monsanto ... Bogus, totally bogus. You've got to be careful of these Internet hoaxes. When you read health information online, be sure to know the source of the information you are reading, okay?[9]
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What the freak has Stemo been drinking. :-\ :D ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"Aspartame is a non-calorie artificial sweetener comprised of methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid"
that explains enough , imo..
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Well, i dont know about sugar......except ive just poured 4Kgs of it into a fermenter ::) ;D
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and thats the best I found which explains why ..
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Why is Aspartame Harmful to Your Health? To put it simply, aspartame is toxic to your nervous system. Enough exposure to aspartame can lead to nerve cell death.
Aspartame - also know as 1-aspartyl 1 phenylalanine methyl ester - is made up of the following components:
- Wood Alcohol (methanol) - about 10%
- Phenylalanine - about 50%
- Aspartic acid - about 40%
Problems with Wood Alcohol The United States Environmental Protective Agency says that the average person can consume 7.8 milligrams of wood alcohol per day without negative effects - some cans of diet soda have been found to have double this amount.
Although wood alcohol naturally occurs in some of the foods that we eat, it doesn't come naturally bound to amino acids as it does in aspartame. Rather, in nature, wood alcohol typically comes attached to fiber that allows it to pass through the digestive tract without being absorbed into the bloodstream.
Since wood alcohol that comes with aspartame doesn't have fiber to keep it out of your bloodstream, just about all of it gets absorbed into your blood, where it can spontaneously convert to formaldehyde, a poisonous substance that is an established carcinogen.
Metabolism of formaldehyde in your body can lead to the production of formate, a waste product that, if accumulated in large amounts, can cause metabolic acidosis and ensuing blindness, kidney damage, and even death. Clearly, this could only potentially happen if you consume extremely large quantities of aspartame and your body's buffering mechanisms fail to prevent metabolic acidosis."
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Problems with Phenylalanine When exposed to high temperatures or simply stored for a long period of time, aspartame breaks down into a few different compounds, one of which is aspartylphenylalanine diketopiperazine (DKP).
There is some (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8505016) evidence (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1392232/?tool=pmcentrez) to suggest that DKP can undergo a nitrosation process in the stomach, which can lead to the production of a chemical that may cause brain tumors.
Since many food products and beverages are exposed to extremely high temperatures during distribution and storage, especially in areas of the world where the climate is hot year-round, the presence of and potential harmful effects of DKP become more worrisome in regions and countries that are closer to the equator.
Also, it's worth noting that whenever your body is exposed to a sudden surge in phenylalanine, the break down of phenylalanine to a larger-than-normal supply of neurotransmitters (L-dopa, norepinephrine, and epinephrine) may create imbalances in nerve signaling that may cause any number of symptoms, including:
- Anxiety attacks and nervousness
- Seizures
- Headaches
- Heart palpitations"
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Problems with Aspartic Acid Like phenylalanine, aspartic acid is an amino acid that naturally occurs in foods. When your body obtains these amino acids along with other naturally occurring amino acids, enzymes, vitamins, and minerals, your cells can put phenylalanine and aspartic acid to use for normal metabolic activities.
When you introduce abnormally large amounts of phenylalanine and aspartic acid (synthetically bound together by an ester bond) into your bloodstream - which is exactly what happens whenever you drink a can of soda that is sweetened with aspartame - your cells can be overwhelmed.
Specifically, a surge in aspartic acid can lead to over-stimulation of nerve cells and sometimes even nerve cell death - this overstimulation is what Dr. Blaylock refers to as excitotoxicity.
The risk of experiencing nerve cell death from ingesting too much aspartame is higher in people who smoke, have high blood pressure, or have diabetes, as all of these factors potentially increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier that is supposed to protect your nerve cells against excitotoxins. It's safe to assume that the more your overall health is compromised, the more susceptible your nerve cells are to the toxic effects of aspartic acid.
Pregnant and nursing moms should know that babies in the womb and newborns are particularly susceptible to having aspartic acid cross the blood-brain barrier, so it's especially advisable to avoid aspartame during these times."
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All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally
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now , if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..
so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector.. however, even without experience in chemistry labs (I have) , you can easily "feel" those chemicals are not "friendly".. :(
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All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally
Caffeine.
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Eating and drinking are quite obviously detrimental to our very long term health, so best we give them up. I'm sure there is a serious flaw somewhere in this plan, can anybody spot it? ::) :o ;D ;D ;D
The problem is that there are so many conflicting studies on what is good / bad for us and this changes all of the time. Eggs were bad for us, but apparently they are now back in fashion and considered good for us.
IMO you can't beat a balanced diet of home cooked meals which includes plenty of white meat, fish and veg and wholegrain carbs. My weaknesses are a good steak and also mature cheddar cheese.
Fortunately, I've never had a sweet tooth, very rarely eat a chocolate or confectionery, never added sugar to tea or coffee and never added it to two shredded wheat for breakfast. Normally only have a savory dish for a meal with occasionally a yogurt afterwards, which is high in sugar.
Most processed food contain large amounts of sugar and salt and as much fat as they can get away with as they are all cheap preservatives, so a frozen meal will survive a hot car taking it home and a half used can of beans etc will keep for a few days in the fridge.
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All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally
Caffeine.
Caffeine does the mental/nervous damage, but the bone/kidney damage ::)
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So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? :-\
Aspartame by a country mile :-\
Why?
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All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally
Standard Redbull contains sugar. The sugar free version has aspartame/sucralose etc. The harmful component of Redbull is caffeine.
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and thats the best I found which explains why ..
Cem, that is utter 'dangle berries'. I really wish you would stop spouting baseless crap you google on the net. I am truly sick and tired of your baseless scaremongering!
Copying and pasting from a website is not evidence!
In reality,
Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the natural amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine. Under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions, aspartame may generate methanol by hydrolysis. The methanol from aspartame is unlikely to be a safety concern for many reasons. The amount of methanol in aspartame is less than that found in fruit juices or citrus fruits, and there are other dietary sources for methanol such as fermented beverages (ie beer/ale/whiskey/wine/etc). Therefore, the amount of methanol produced from aspartame is likely to be less than that from natural sources. Next, formaldehyde, it is rapidly converted in the body, and the amounts of formaldehyde from the metabolism of aspartame are trivial when compared to the amounts produced routinely by the human body and from other foods and drugs. At the highest expected human doses of consumption of aspartame, there are no increased blood levels of methanol or formic acid, and ingesting aspartame at the 90th percentile of intake would produce 25 times less methanol than what would be considered toxic.
Reference:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 : 629–727.
Butchko, H; Stargel, WW; Comer, CP; Mayhew, DA; Benninger, C; Blackburn, GL; De Sonneville, LM; Geha, RS; Hertelendy, Z (2002). "Aspartame: Review of Safety". Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology
There is however extensive research in all age groups of its safety to date. It is probably the most extensively investigated food in the history of mankind. There is more evidence available to suggest aspartame is safer than Lokum or Baklava.
Reference:
Mitchell, Helen (2006). Sweeteners and sugar alternatives in food technology. Oxford, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand: Aspartame – what it is and why it's used in our food" 2008
Weihrauch, M. R.; Diehl, V (2004). "Artificial sweeteners – do they bear a carcinogenic risk?". Annals of Oncology 15 (10): 1460–5
Now, if you really want to put forward your case of why Aspartame is dangerous, then please show me some real research or reference to actual studies rather than hearsay on the internet.
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Wife and son use Stevia, it,s a plant extract. Costs about £15 for 12 oz on line and you need very little to taste.
It,s got to be better than sweeteners which contain Aspartame. :y
So aspartame which is a natural amino acid (basic protein building block) ester is unsafe, but some extract from a plant is safer. Why? Not all plants are safe to ingest are they?
By the way I have tried Stevia and it is truly terrible to taste. Nothing like sugar at all.
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I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.
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I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.
Well said Steve! :y :y
Our food in the 1950s into the 1960s was full of everything the "experts" tell is bad for us. If this is right, why are the kids from those years now going on to live into their 90s/100s according to other "experts"?! ::) ::)
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I just stay away from anything that has been processed, and dairy (most of it is heavily processed these days anyway, even milk) and meat.... but I do eat a lot of hemp seeds. Not failed a drugs test yet :D
The amount of energy I have now compared to even just a couple of months ago is amasing. I broke down and ate something processed a few weeks back and I was knocked for 6...I had a headache, nausea and had to sleep for 12 hours :(
I stick to sugars like Agave Nectar and use Stevia when I cant use a liquid sugar :y
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I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.
Well said Steve! :y :y
Our food in the 1950s into the 1960s was full of everything the "experts" tell is bad for us. If this is right, why are the kids from those years now going on to live into their 90s/100s according to other "experts"?! ::) ::)
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We don't have the allergies that every other molly cuddled child seems to have today.
Eat Drink and be Merry, everything in moderation the rest is bullocks :y
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I just stay away from anything that has been processed, and dairy (most of it is heavily processed these days anyway, even milk) and meat.... but I do eat a lot of hemp seeds. Not failed a drugs test yet :D
The amount of energy I have now compared to even just a couple of months ago is amasing. I broke down and ate something processed a few weeks back and I was knocked for 6...I had a headache, nausea and had to sleep for 12 hours :(
I stick to sugars like Agave Nectar and use Stevia when I cant use a liquid sugar :y
Yes, Matt, but you have a medical condition. These food 'bulletins' are aimed at everyone and anyone.
To give you an example of how I look at it:
Tonight I had a baked potato with butter, tinned tuna, strong cheddar cheeses, red pepper, toms, cuc, iceberg and spring onions. A perfect balance of protein, fat, carbohydrate and plenty of vits.
Bravo! I hear you say. But, tomorrow, I will be having a fick off portion of fish and chips...from the chippy. Very bad....but very nice...and I don't have it all of the time.
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and thats the best I found which explains why ..
Cem, that is utter 'dangle berries'. I really wish you would stop spouting baseless crap you google on the net. I am truly sick and tired of your baseless scaremongering!
Copying and pasting from a website is not evidence!
Really ? Do you have ANY DEGREE IN CHEMISTRY ?
In reality,
Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the natural amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine. Under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions, aspartame may generate methanol by hydrolysis. The methanol from aspartame is unlikely to be a safety concern for many reasons.
its very obvious whoever wrote that, is even not sure what certainity he can define.. because not sure of the self.. ;D I wonder how much paid ;D ;D
The amount of methanol in aspartame is less than that found in fruit juices or citrus fruits, and there are other dietary sources for methanol such as fermented beverages (ie beer/ale/whiskey/wine/etc). Therefore, the amount of methanol produced from aspartame is likely to be less than that from natural sources. Next, formaldehyde, it is rapidly converted in the body, and the amounts of formaldehyde from the metabolism of aspartame are trivial when compared to the amounts produced routinely by the human body and from other foods and drugs. At the highest expected human doses of consumption of aspartame, there are no increased blood levels of methanol or formic acid, and ingesting aspartame at the 90th percentile of intake would produce 25 times less methanol than what would be considered toxic.
Reference:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 : 629–727.
Butchko, H; Stargel, WW; Comer, CP; Mayhew, DA; Benninger, C; Blackburn, GL; De Sonneville, LM; Geha, RS; Hertelendy, Z (2002). "Aspartame: Review of Safety". Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology
There is however extensive research in all age groups of its safety to date. It is probably the most extensively investigated food in the history of mankind. There is more evidence available to suggest aspartame is safer than Lokum or Baklava.
Reference:
Mitchell, Helen (2006). Sweeteners and sugar alternatives in food technology. Oxford, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand: Aspartame – what it is and why it's used in our food" 2008
Weihrauch, M. R.; Diehl, V (2004). "Artificial sweeteners – do they bear a carcinogenic risk?". Annals of Oncology 15 (10): 1460–5
Now, if you really want to put forward your case of why Aspartame is dangerous, then please show me some real research or reference to actual studies rather than hearsay on the internet.
now let me repeat what I did say :
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now , if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector.."
so briefly who guarantees what you paste is not boll*x ;D
go on.. tell me how you dose lasix to cirrhose patents >:(
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
No!
you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example.. does it ? ;)
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I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.
Exactly...... :y :y
Like others, I have seen such warnings come and go over the years, I just get on with it...... :y
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html
So why continue to post 'dangle berries'?
That website is an opinion, not a single drop of evidence. The references I posted to are real studies/research/evidence. Make your mind up. But dont force opinions on others. Give people real facts and let them decide. Yes?
And is response to your other question, yes I have a degree with distinction in biochemistry. Thanks for asking. Would you also like to see my degree certificate?
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
So why continue to post 'dangle berries'?
That website is an opinion, not a single drop of evidence. The references I posted to are real studies/research/evidence. Make your mind up. But dont force opinions on others. Give people real facts and let them decide. Yes?
And is response to your other question, yes I have a degree with distinction in biochemistry. Thanks for asking. Would you also like to see my degree certificate?
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you claim its dangle berries .. where is your evidence ? those people dont have another trouble and write/list all sorts of long bollix to deceive people .. now thats real bollix!
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and if you have some info about biochemistry (which you said you have) and human body (I guess you already have) then you already know there are many reactions there that we still are not aware..
so how can you discard .. ?
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I've just had several large gin & T's with an egg & bacon buttie & now i'm off to bed a very happy (and unfit as fook) bunny! ;D :y
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Dr Kim does acknowledge that his article is a copy and paste job of this chaps work...
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/
Who is a neurosurgeon apparently...
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I've just had several large gin & T's with an egg & bacon buttie & now i'm off to bed a very happy (and unfit as fook) bunny! ;D :y
I ran three hundred yards on Tuesday.
I got my breath back on Wednesday... My legs still hurt :-[
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I've just had several large gin & T's with an egg & bacon buttie & now i'm off to bed a very happy (and unfit as fook) bunny! ;D :y
I had pancakes tonight with sugar and lemon on them; well we were busy on Tuesday......... :D :D
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
No!
you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example.. does it ? ;)
OOOOOOOOOOO.......nasty... ;D
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I just stay away from anything that has been processed, and dairy (most of it is heavily processed these days anyway, even milk) and meat.... but I do eat a lot of hemp seeds. Not failed a drugs test yet :D
The amount of energy I have now compared to even just a couple of months ago is amasing. I broke down and ate something processed a few weeks back and I was knocked for 6...I had a headache, nausea and had to sleep for 12 hours :(
I stick to sugars like Agave Nectar and use Stevia when I cant use a liquid sugar :y
Yes, Matt, but you have a medical condition. These food 'bulletins' are aimed at everyone and anyone.
To give you an example of how I look at it:
Tonight I had a baked potato with butter, tinned tuna, strong cheddar cheeses, red pepper, toms, cuc, iceberg and spring onions. A perfect balance of protein, fat, carbohydrate and plenty of vits.
Bravo! I hear you say. But, tomorrow, I will be having a fick off portion of fish and chips...from the chippy. Very bad....but very nice...and I don't have it all of the time.
You are right and everyone reacts differently to foods whether processed or otherwise. It'll be them genes :y
Evidence does suggest that conditions like mine can come from eating too much processed foods (long story short but it can affect the gut lining and make the gut 'leaky') plus the stuff I am discovering about sugar, quite frankly, scares the whatsit out of me :o
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
No!
you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example.. does it ? ;)
OOOOOOOOOOO.......nasty... ;D
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
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Dr Kim does acknowledge that his article is a copy and paste job of this chaps work...
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ (http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/)
Who is a neurosurgeon apparently...
so it prooves copy paste is not a usual bollix as claimed ;D
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
No!
you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example.. does it ? ;)
OOOOOOOOOOO.......nasty... ;D
Meeeeeeyowwwww. ;D
Experience and facts cem. I'd be interested as to the use of wishbone alignment though?
I wonder if Wheels in motion are aware of this new piece of set up info.
Please, mr knows everything but knows nothing, qualified in sweet fa, do enlighten us. ;D
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Ohhhhhh...they've all gone quiet over there..they've all gone quiet over there.... ;D
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.
And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?
Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you ;D
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx)
He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.
If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?
Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.
But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.
No?
No!
you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example.. does it ? ;)
OOOOOOOOOOO.......nasty... ;D
Meeeeeeyowwwww. ;D
Experience and facts cem. I'd be interested as to the use of wishbone alignment though?
I wonder if Wheels in motion are aware of this new piece of set up info.
Please, mr knows everything but knows nothing, qualified in sweet fa, do enlighten us. ;D
seems like your experience limited to omegas Mr gixer.. sorry ;D
http://www.hcb-autotools.com/component/page,shop.product_details/category_id,21/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,489/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/vmcchk,1/
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Yes, mine I think. ::) Pmsl ;D ;D ;D
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A slight digression, but it's from 2007 so must be relevant and accurate :D
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2007/03/car-and-driver-road-track-motor-trend-automobile-americas-buff-books-laid-low/
;D
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
So why continue to post 'dangle berries'?
That website is an opinion, not a single drop of evidence. The references I posted to are real studies/research/evidence. Make your mind up. But dont force opinions on others. Give people real facts and let them decide. Yes?
And is response to your other question, yes I have a degree with distinction in biochemistry. Thanks for asking. Would you also like to see my degree certificate?
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you claim its dangle berries .. where is your evidence ? those people dont have another trouble and write/list all sorts of long bollix to deceive people .. now thats real bollix!
Are you actually reading what I have written? I have linked the research references in my post. You can access them via libraries and the internet(may have to pay for it though).
In case you missed it, here you go:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 (8): 629–727
Feel free to criticise the research methodology used after you have actually read the article!
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Let put this all in perspective ::)
Eat and drink as much of the stuff you like no matter how bad it is for you :y
Why ???
Because who wants to get old in this country and end up being treated as a lesser person than an immigrant, refugee or prisoner
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :-X
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Interesting link:
http://acsh.org/1999/01/acsh-debunks-internet-health-hoax-2/
Guess who's name is mentioned in the article. Dr Russell Blaylock!
I rest my case.
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I have been reading with interest the comments made by Cem, D, and Chris in particular on "qualified" opinion as stated on the internet.
I know nothing about this subject, other than living 60 years and, as I stated before, 'surviving'on the diet of the 1950s and 1960s which was full of everything now condemned by the "exprts" and yet we are the generation set to live longer than any before.
I would also support Cem in one aspect at least; how experts can be 'persuaded' by financial incentives as to how they express their findings. That is due to me remembering the time when highly qualified scientists and other 'experts' we're stating smoking was very BENIFICIAL to one's health!! They stated a good smoke did your health no harm at all!! ::) ::) :P
The tobacco giants were pulling the strings, and big companies still do!
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and here is my link which you claim is bollix ;)
http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html (http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html)
So why continue to post 'dangle berries'?
That website is an opinion, not a single drop of evidence. The references I posted to are real studies/research/evidence. Make your mind up. But dont force opinions on others. Give people real facts and let them decide. Yes?
And is response to your other question, yes I have a degree with distinction in biochemistry. Thanks for asking. Would you also like to see my degree certificate?
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you claim its dangle berries .. where is your evidence ? those people dont have another trouble and write/list all sorts of long bollix to deceive people .. now thats real bollix!
Are you actually reading what I have written? I have linked the research references in my post. You can access them via libraries and the internet(may have to pay for it though).
In case you missed it, here you go:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 ( 8) : 629–727
Feel free to criticise the research methodology used after you have actually read the article!
here is your famous article
http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf (http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf)
this is done.. this done.. etc etc..
no detailed charts, explanations, notes.. believe me I can prepare a report like that just by copy pasting for free ;D
""By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory
throughout the British Empire. Other countries of Europe followed suit. Once the
economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to
disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers and
the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious
vaccines."... Tim O'Shea, D.C. "
as seen , its just matter of earning more money..
http://www.wakenews.net/The_Truth_about_the_Flu_Shot.pdf (http://www.wakenews.net/The_Truth_about_the_Flu_Shot.pdf)
and about Dr Blaylock
"Dr. Blaylock serves as the medical consultant for the ]Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative He was recently awarded the Integrity in Science award by the Westin Price Foundation. Presently, he is a visiting professor in the department of biological sciences at Belhaven College in Jackson, Mississippi.At present he is a member of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, the American Nutraceutical Association, the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutritionist, American College of Nutrition, American Association for Health Freedom, National Health Federation, American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine and the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation. He was recently appointed as a member of the Scientific Advisory Panel of the Life-Extension Foundation"
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ (http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/)
interestingly,he doesnt seem to be shady as you /others claim :(
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I would also support Cem in one aspect at least; how experts can be 'persuaded' by financial incentives as to how they express their findings. That is due to me remembering the time when highly qualified scientists and other 'experts' we're stating smoking was very BENIFICIAL to one's health!! They stated a good smoke did your health no harm at all!! ::) ::) :P
The tobacco giants were pulling the strings, and big companies still do!
Whilst I agree with the above, I would also point out that some big companies will have a vested interest in pointing out the downsides of aspartame.
I, personally, would assume that if there were any opposing *scientific* studies, they would be sponsored by the sugar companies - or manufacturers of other artificial sweeteners.
Since no such scientific, peer-reviewed studies have apparently been published ANYWHERE - I am going to assume they don't exist, and thus aspartame is safe.
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I have been reading with interest the comments made by Cem, D, and Chris in particular on "qualified" opinion as stated on the internet.
I know nothing about this subject, other than living 60 years and, as I stated before, 'surviving'on the diet of the 1950s and 1960s which was full of everything now condemned by the "exprts" and yet we are the generation set to live longer than any before.
I would also support Cem in one aspect at least; how experts can be 'persuaded' by financial incentives as to how they express their findings. That is due to me remembering the time when highly qualified scientists and other 'experts' we're stating smoking was very BENIFICIAL to one's health!! They stated a good smoke did your health no harm at all!! ::) ::) :P
The tobacco giants were pulling the strings, and big companies still do!
bang on Lizzie :y
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I would also support Cem in one aspect at least; how experts can be 'persuaded' by financial incentives as to how they express their findings. That is due to me remembering the time when highly qualified scientists and other 'experts' we're stating smoking was very BENIFICIAL to one's health!! They stated a good smoke did your health no harm at all!! ::) ::) :P
The tobacco giants were pulling the strings, and big companies still do!
Whilst I agree with the above, I would also point out that some big companies will have a vested interest in pointing out the downsides of aspartame.
I, personally, would assume that if there were any opposing *scientific* studies, they would be sponsored by the sugar companies - or manufacturers of other artificial sweeteners.
Since no such scientific, peer-reviewed studies have apparently been published ANYWHERE - I am going to assume they don't exist, and thus aspartame is safe.
;D go on.. you know you want to.. ;D :y
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and about Dr Blaylock
"Dr. Blaylock serves as the medical consultant for the ]Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative [1] He was recently awarded the Integrity in Science award by the Westin Price Foundation.[2] Presently, he is a visiting professor in the department of biological sciences at Belhaven College[3] in Jackson, Mississippi.At present he is a member of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, the American Nutraceutical Association, the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutritionist, American College of Nutrition, American Association for Health Freedom, National Health Federation, American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine and the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation. He was recently appointed as a member of the Scientific Advisory Panel of the Life-Extension Foundation"
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ (http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/)
interestingly,he doesnt seem to be shady as you /others claim :(
[1] No hits on google for this organisation.
[2] Have a google about the "Weston A Price Foundation" - hardly a role model for "intergrity in scientific research"
[3] Belhaven College is a religion-dominated Christian college (think "creationism") which only offers Biology and Chemistry to undergraduate level - hardly a world leading institute for the study of nutrition or medicine (neither of which it offers)
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now , if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..
so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector.. however, even without experience in chemistry labs (I have) , you can easily "feel" those chemicals are not "friendly".. :(
You read it here first! Capitalism causes cancer!
Not sure even the Daily Fail have run that headline yet? ::)
In all seriousness, if you're concerned about what you should / shouldn't be eating, speak to your GP. 99% of what's on the internet is sh1te and you can always find something that backs up your irrational fears there. ::)
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Just preparing todays unhealthy lunch. Hard boil two eggs, grill four rashers of bacon until crispy. Let eggs cool and mix with bacon (snapped in to bite size pieces), salad cream/mayo, black pepper, chilled and served on crusty bread. Yum.
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now , if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..
so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector.. however, even without experience in chemistry labs (I have) , you can easily "feel" those chemicals are not "friendly".. :(
You read it here first! Capitalism causes cancer!
Not sure even the Daily Fail have run that headline yet? ::)
In all seriousness, if you're concerned about what you should / shouldn't be eating, speak to your GP. 99% of what's on the internet is sh1te and you can always find something that backs up your irrational fears there. ::)
unfortunately ,I have discovered that even the shitiest pages of tinternet are more trustable :(
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As a rule of thumb, if an internet search produces no hits then the thing being searched either doesn't exist, fact or fiction, or it has been erased by persons unknown for reasons unknown.
Something fictional such as a hoax will probably produce more links than any genuine article could ever manage :y
This is the current top result when you search 'aspartame side effects'. It might sound familiar...
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx
This is the fourth listing. And contains, shock horror, rational and balanced information :o...
http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/additivesbranch/aspartame/
You will note that the 1 in 10,000 people have an issue with phenylketonuria.
And finally, good old Wikipedia, the fifth listing. You will note the use of 'conspiracy theories' and 'email hoax' within the first paragraph...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy
:y
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Just preparing todays unhealthy lunch. Hard boil two eggs, grill four rashers of bacon until crispy. Let eggs cool and mix with bacon (snapped in to bite size pieces), salad cream/mayo, black pepper, chilled and served on crusty bread. Yum.
I'm having Pork Dripping sarnies with loads of salt and copious Peroni. :y
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As a rule of thumb, if an internet search produces no hits then the thing being searched either doesn't exist, fact or fiction, or it has been erased by persons unknown for reasons unknown.
Something fictional such as a hoax will probably produce more links than any genuine article could ever manage :y
This is the current top result when you search 'aspartame side effects'. It might sound familiar...
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx)
This is the fourth listing. And contains, shock horror, rational and balanced information :o ...
http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/additivesbranch/aspartame/ (http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/additivesbranch/aspartame/)
You will note that the 1 in 10,000 people have an issue with phenylketonuria.
And finally, good old Wikipedia, the fifth listing. You will note the use of 'conspiracy theories' and 'email hoax' within the first paragraph...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy)
:y
Good job al :y
from the first link
"Due to the lack of a couple of key enzymes, humans are many times more sensitive to the toxic effects of methanol than animals. "
We know that humans even cant produce C vitamin ;D and comparing humans to rats ;D ;D ;D
"It has been pointed out that some fruit juices and alcoholic beverages contain small amounts of methanol. It is important to remember, however, that methanol never appears alone. In every case, ethanol is present, usually in much higher amounts. Ethanol is an antidote for methanol toxicity in humans. The troops of Desert Storm were "treated" to large amounts of aspartame-sweetened beverages, which had been heated to over 86 degrees F in the Saudi Arabian sun. Many of them returned home with numerous disorders similar to what has been seen in persons who have been chemically poisoned by formaldehyde. The free methanol in the beverages may have been a contributing factor in these illnesses. Other breakdown products of aspartame such as DKP (discussed below) may also have been a factor."
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I've always been partial to a bit of brown sugar. ;) :)
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If you live your life listening to these clowns, then you will eat nothing, drink nothing enjoyable and be a right miserable barsteward reading the lastest dog do on what is supposedly good for you.
Consume what you like in moderation and be HAPPY. :y :y
We ain't going to live forever so enjoy the journey. :y. Especially Brown Sugar every other lay day. ::)
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seems like fda itself is responsible for ignoring many things >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5slnNB8h0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5slnNB8h0)
and there are other things behind the scene..
9:16
"results of industry sponsored research turned out very differently from the non-industry sponsored studies!!"
I looked at the medical literature adressing the safety of aspartame, 184 studies , 76 were founded by nutra sweet industry every single one of them attested to the safety of aspartame , of 90 independant studies 83 identified a problem
"
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) .. wot we said!!
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seems like fda itself is responsible for ignoring many things >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5slnNB8h0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5slnNB8h0)
and there are other things behind the scene..
9:16
"results of industry sponsored research turned out very differently from the non-industry sponsored studies!!"
I looked at the medical literature adressing the safety of aspartame, 184 studies , 76 were founded by nutra sweet industry every single one of them attested to the safety of aspartame , of 90 independant studies 83 identified a problem
"
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) .. wot we said!!
and more evidence.. ;D the fda comissioner dont answer the questions ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFRLIjOLOU)
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And you have just as systematically ignored the two links which counter the claims of the first one ::)
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And you have just as systematically ignored the two links which counter the claims of the first one ::)
We've all tried Al. A little bit of info can be a very dangerous thing. Even if the info is accurate to start with.
But sympathetically, something has gone very wrong for our cem, for which he has my deepest sympathies.
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I'm out. ::)
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And you have just as systematically ignored the two links which counter the claims of the first one ::)
this is called selective recognition to seperate fact and bollix ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
by the way did you watch the videos :)
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I'm out. ::)
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dont ;D
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I'm out. ::)
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Brilliant ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm out. ::)
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Race you down ::)
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here is your famous article
http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf (http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf)
this is done.. this done.. etc etc..
no detailed charts, explanations, notes.. believe me I can prepare a report like that just by copy pasting for free ;D
Again you fall prey to the google search and fail to read things properly. The first word on the article below the authors names states "Evaluation summary". Hence why there are no charts, explanations or notes. It is a summary, not the full text. Does that make sense?
So, if you want the actual full article on the internet, you have to pay for it. Or else access it via a library. The full article is available via this link:
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10408440701516184 (http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10408440701516184)
or
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/btxc/2007/00000037/00000008/art00002?token=00521a3682c5db372c275c277b42572b67474828345f44236e59592f653b2a2d3a7c4e7247700b8626 (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/btxc/2007/00000037/00000008/art00002?token=00521a3682c5db372c275c277b42572b67474828345f44236e59592f653b2a2d3a7c4e7247700b8626)
They are not cheap, cost about $50 to purchase. And that will provide you with detailed analysis notes, charts and explanations as you wish to see. I cannot share the full article with you because the service I use to access such literature prohibits me from freely distributing such information.
I am not denying the fact that there may be new evidence in the future. Not at all. All I am saying is that the Aspartame hoax has been going around for more than 20 years and there is a good body of evidence (if you can access it) to suggest that so far it is safe. In fact it has been studied more extensively than something like Stevia plant extract. Yet, people are happy to use Stevia without any evidence, yet condemn Aspartame when there is good evidence that it is safe.
If I have to access the latest research available for my field of expertise, it costs me around £300 - £500 in annual subscriptions. But this information is validated and peer reviewed. So as accurate as possible. Not perfect, not set in stone, but as uptodate and accurate as possible. Free information(medical) on the internet is often opinions, personal experiences and myth. Sometimes health scares/hoaxes. So do not believe all you read, unless you can peruse the evidence yourself. Worse still, dont scare others. A good example being the MMR scare or hoax. Unfortunately driven by a single medical person. Not so different to the way Dr Kim and Dr Whatshisname write on their websites. The UK is suffering for the healthcare hoax that was the so called link between MMR and Autism. For years doctors tried to convince people about the fact that it was a hoax, but people chose not to listen and now we have a resurgence of adult measles.
of 90 independant studies 83 identified a problem
Could I have a link to one of these so call studies that identified a problem. I am willing to look into it in detail. And if the study is genuine, then I can access full articles via the service I currently use.
I ask because I use a aspartame/sucralose in lieu of sugar to reduce my risk of diabetes. And I spent a lot of time researching it before switching over.
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I'm out. ::)
Race you down ::)
Dont leave! I am feeling cold and lonely :'(
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here is your famous article
http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf (http://www.cspinet.org/new/pdf/aspartame912.pdf)
this is done.. this done.. etc etc..
no detailed charts, explanations, notes.. believe me I can prepare a report like that just by copy pasting for free ;D
Again you fall prey to the google search and fail to read things properly. The first word on the article below the authors names states "Evaluation summary". Hence why there are no charts, explanations or notes. It is a summary, not the full text. Does that make sense?
So, if you want the actual full article on the internet, you have to pay for it. Or else access it via a library. The full article is available via this link:
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10408440701516184 (http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10408440701516184)
or
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/btxc/2007/00000037/00000008/art00002?token=00521a3682c5db372c275c277b42572b67474828345f44236e59592f653b2a2d3a7c4e7247700b8626 (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/btxc/2007/00000037/00000008/art00002?token=00521a3682c5db372c275c277b42572b67474828345f44236e59592f653b2a2d3a7c4e7247700b8626)
They are not cheap, cost about $50 to purchase. And that will provide you with detailed analysis notes, charts and explanations as you wish to see. I cannot share the full article with you because the service I use to access such literature prohibits me from freely distributing such information.
I am not denying the fact that there may be new evidence in the future. Not at all. All I am saying is that the Aspartame hoax has been going around for more than 20 years and there is a good body of evidence (if you can access it) to suggest that so far it is safe. In fact it has been studied more extensively than something like Stevia plant extract. Yet, people are happy to use Stevia without any evidence, yet condemn Aspartame when there is good evidence that it is safe.
If I have to access the latest research available for my field of expertise, it costs me around £300 - £500 in annual subscriptions. But this information is validated and peer reviewed. So as accurate as possible. Not perfect, not set in stone, but as uptodate and accurate as possible. Free information(medical) on the internet is often opinions, personal experiences and myth. Sometimes health scares/hoaxes. So do not believe all you read, unless you can peruse the evidence yourself. Worse still, dont scare others. A good example being the MMR scare or hoax. Unfortunately driven by a single medical person. Not so different to the way Dr Kim and Dr Whatshisname write on their websites. The UK is suffering for the healthcare hoax that was the so called link between MMR and Autism. For years doctors tried to convince people about the fact that it was a hoax, but people chose not to listen and now we have a resurgence of adult measles.
of 90 independant studies 83 identified a problem
Could I have a link to one of these so call studies that identified a problem. I am willing to look into it in detail. And if the study is genuine, then I can access full articles via the service I currently use.
I ask because I use a aspartame/sucralose in lieu of sugar to reduce my risk of diabetes. And I spent a lot of time researching it before switching over.
D, I see you are insistent for the aspartame to be safe, but at that point I must remind that these videos ,internet pages, including consumers and many independant researchs dont ask for money and tell you that there is a problem.. if you prefer to believe and continue to pay, its your choice..
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Fact or fiction? You decide...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98
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You wonder why people are leaving this site. :( :( :( >:(
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Was trying to lighten the tone of the thread... :-[
Yet another seven pages of internet heresay vs official advice...
The Food Standards Agency details why aspartame is allowed and in what quantities. It also includes information regarding possible side effects in 1in 10000 people. This chemical intolerance has been tested at birth in the UK since 1969, so anyone likely to be affected by it is probably acutely aware of what they should/shouldn't consume.
If it wasn't safe, the FSA would ban it. Afterall, if we all died of aspartame poisoning, then who would the government collect taxes from. Equally why would companies produce food products which might kill people :-\
IIRC, this whole 'debate' came about as result of a suggested sugar tax, which given the prevolence of type two diabetes and the cost implications for the NHS, would be no bad thing imho :-\
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Nothing personal I just don't see the point of all this shite, imagine how potential new members will view it.
More Politics less bollicks. :y
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Anyone for a cuppa? I take 3 sugars in mine ;D
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Anyone for a cuppa? I take 3 sugars in mine ;D
I can still recall the taste of sweet tea... hmmmm ::)