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[D]

All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally

Standard Redbull contains sugar. The sugar free version has aspartame/sucralose etc. The harmful component of Redbull is caffeine.

[D]

and thats the best I found which explains why ..

Cem, that is utter 'dangle berries'. I really wish you would stop spouting baseless crap you google on the net. I am truly sick and tired of your baseless scaremongering!

Copying and pasting from a website is not evidence!

In reality,
Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the natural amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine. Under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions, aspartame may generate methanol by hydrolysis. The methanol from aspartame is unlikely to be a safety concern for many reasons. The amount of methanol in aspartame is less than that found in fruit juices or citrus fruits, and there are other dietary sources for methanol such as fermented beverages (ie beer/ale/whiskey/wine/etc). Therefore, the amount of methanol produced from aspartame is likely to be less than that from natural sources. Next, formaldehyde, it is rapidly converted in the body, and the amounts of formaldehyde from the metabolism of aspartame are trivial when compared to the amounts produced routinely by the human body and from other foods and drugs. At the highest expected human doses of consumption of aspartame, there are no increased blood levels of methanol or formic acid, and ingesting aspartame at the 90th percentile of intake would produce 25 times less methanol than what would be considered toxic.

Reference:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 : 629–727.
Butchko, H; Stargel, WW; Comer, CP; Mayhew, DA; Benninger, C; Blackburn, GL; De Sonneville, LM; Geha, RS; Hertelendy, Z (2002). "Aspartame: Review of Safety". Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology

There is however extensive research in all age groups of its safety to date. It is probably the most extensively investigated food in the history of mankind. There is more evidence available to suggest aspartame is safer than Lokum or Baklava.

Reference:
Mitchell, Helen (2006). Sweeteners and sugar alternatives in food technology. Oxford, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand: Aspartame – what it is and why it's used in our food" 2008
Weihrauch, M. R.; Diehl, V (2004). "Artificial sweeteners – do they bear a carcinogenic risk?". Annals of Oncology 15 (10): 1460–5

Now, if you really want to put forward your case of why Aspartame is dangerous, then please show me some real research or reference to actual studies rather than hearsay on the internet.

[D]

Wife and son use Stevia, it,s a plant extract. Costs about £15 for 12 oz on line and you need very little to taste.
It,s got to be better than sweeteners which contain Aspartame.

So aspartame which is a natural amino acid (basic protein building block) ester is unsafe, but some extract from a plant is safer. Why? Not all plants are safe to ingest are they?

By the way I have tried Stevia and it is truly terrible to taste. Nothing like sugar at all.

[Stemo]

I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.

Well said Steve!

Our food in the 1950s into the 1960s was full of everything the "experts" tell is bad for us.  If this is right, why are the kids from those years now going on to live into their 90s/100s according to other "experts"?! 

[Gaffers]

I just stay away from anything that has been processed, and dairy (most of it is heavily processed these days anyway, even milk) and meat.... but I do eat a lot of hemp seeds.  Not failed a drugs test yet

The amount of energy I have now compared to even just a couple of months ago is amasing.  I broke down and ate something processed a few weeks back and I was knocked for 6...I had a headache, nausea and had to sleep for 12 hours

I stick to sugars like Agave Nectar and use Stevia when I cant use a liquid sugar

[cleggy]

I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.

Well said Steve!

Our food in the 1950s into the 1960s was full of everything the "experts" tell is bad for us.  If this is right, why are the kids from those years now going on to live into their 90s/100s according to other "experts"?! 

 
We don't have the allergies that every other molly cuddled child seems to have today.

Eat Drink and be Merry, everything in moderation the rest is bullocks

[Stemo]

I just stay away from anything that has been processed, and dairy (most of it is heavily processed these days anyway, even milk) and meat.... but I do eat a lot of hemp seeds.  Not failed a drugs test yet

The amount of energy I have now compared to even just a couple of months ago is amasing.  I broke down and ate something processed a few weeks back and I was knocked for 6...I had a headache, nausea and had to sleep for 12 hours

I stick to sugars like Agave Nectar and use Stevia when I cant use a liquid sugar

Yes, Matt, but you have a medical condition. These food 'bulletins' are aimed at everyone and anyone.

To give you an example of how I look at it:
Tonight I had a baked potato with butter, tinned tuna, strong cheddar cheeses, red pepper, toms, cuc, iceberg and spring onions. A perfect balance of protein, fat, carbohydrate and plenty of vits.
Bravo! I hear you say. But, tomorrow, I will be having a fick off portion of fish and chips...from the chippy. Very bad....but very nice...and I don't have it all of the time.

[cem_devecioglu]

and thats the best I found which explains why ..

Cem, that is utter 'dangle berries'. I really wish you would stop spouting baseless crap you google on the net. I am truly sick and tired of your baseless scaremongering!



Copying and pasting from a website is not evidence!




Really ? Do you have ANY DEGREE IN CHEMISTRY ?


In reality,
Aspartame is a methyl ester of the dipeptide of the natural amino acids L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine. Under strongly acidic or alkaline conditions, aspartame may generate methanol by hydrolysis. The methanol from aspartame is unlikely to be a safety concern for many reasons.


its very obvious whoever wrote that, is even not sure what certainity he can define.. because not sure of the self..    I wonder how much paid  




 The amount of methanol in aspartame is less than that found in fruit juices or citrus fruits, and there are other dietary sources for methanol such as fermented beverages (ie beer/ale/whiskey/wine/etc). Therefore, the amount of methanol produced from aspartame is likely to be less than that from natural sources. Next, formaldehyde, it is rapidly converted in the body, and the amounts of formaldehyde from the metabolism of aspartame are trivial when compared to the amounts produced routinely by the human body and from other foods and drugs. At the highest expected human doses of consumption of aspartame, there are no increased blood levels of methanol or formic acid, and ingesting aspartame at the 90th percentile of intake would produce 25 times less methanol than what would be considered toxic.

Reference:
Magnuson BA, Burdock GA, Doull J et al. (2007). "Aspartame: a safety evaluation based on current use levels, regulations, and toxicological and epidemiological studies". Critical Reviews in Toxicology 37 : 629–727.
Butchko, H; Stargel, WW; Comer, CP; Mayhew, DA; Benninger, C; Blackburn, GL; De Sonneville, LM; Geha, RS; Hertelendy, Z (2002). "Aspartame: Review of Safety". Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology

There is however extensive research in all age groups of its safety to date. It is probably the most extensively investigated food in the history of mankind. There is more evidence available to suggest aspartame is safer than Lokum or Baklava.

Reference:
Mitchell, Helen (2006). Sweeteners and sugar alternatives in food technology. Oxford, UK: Wiley-Blackwell.
Food Standards Australia New Zealand: Aspartame – what it is and why it's used in our food" 2008
Weihrauch, M. R.; Diehl, V (2004). "Artificial sweeteners – do they bear a carcinogenic risk?". Annals of Oncology 15 (10): 1460–5

Now, if you really want to put forward your case of why Aspartame is dangerous, then please show me some real research or reference to actual studies rather than hearsay on the internet.

now let me repeat what I did say :


"
now ,  if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector.."


so briefly who guarantees what you paste is not boll*x


go on.. tell me how you dose lasix to cirrhose patents

[cem_devecioglu]

and here is my link which you claim is bollix


http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html

[chrisgixer]

and here is my link which you claim is bollix


http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html

Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.

And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?

[cem_devecioglu]

and here is my link which you claim is bollix


http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html

Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.

And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?

Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx

[chrisgixer]

and here is my link which you claim is bollix


http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html

Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.

And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?

Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx

He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.

If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?


Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.

But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.

No?

[cem_devecioglu]

and here is my link which you claim is bollix


http://drbenkim.com/articles-artificialsweeteners.html

Cem, read the get out clause at the very bottom of that page.

And are you aware of what Mr Ben Kim is a Dr of?

Chris now tell me how much coca cola paid you
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/28/soda-aspartame.aspx

He is a Chiropractor and acupuncturist, going by his web site.

If that's the case, why would you believe him on matters of nutrition and diet...?


Now I'm not saying who's wrong or right, as I don't know. I'm not qualified.

But neither are you, and it seems, neither is Dr Ben Kim. Afaict.

No?

No!


you are not a qualified mechanic but it doesnt make what you say wrong about front wishbone alignment.. for example..  does it ?

[Vamps]

I really don't care what others, experts or laymen, say. All I know is that my family was fed the cheapest food that my poor mother could afford. Fat, sugar and salt content were not a consideration. Almost every other family in our area of Liverpool were the same. As far as I know, it has not had much of a detrimental effect.
Several of my old pals are dead. That was mainly alcohol abuse, not food.
Of course, the food we ate did not contain the additives that today's food carries. You bought it and ate it before it went off (we didn't even have a fridge).
Why don't people just get a life? We are all intelligent enough to know what's bad for us and what's not. Why bother wasting time trying to educate people about the contents of their food when we, as a nation, drink too much, smoke too much and eat too much. Just cutting down on food would do more good than worrying about what's in it.

Exactly......

Like others, I have seen such warnings come and go over the years, I just get on with it......