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Title: Idle Control Valv
Post by: vauxhall007 on 15 July 2014, 11:20:00
IMy mechanic is having truble with the Idle Control Valve / the  location and whot dose it do. this is the nex thing I have to get him to try, to over come the problem. many thanks.
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: Andy B on 15 July 2014, 11:41:21
If your mechanic can't find the ICV on your V6 then I suggest that he's not very good. It's staring you in the face as you look at the engine .... right hand side at the top (as you stand in front of the car)

If you say what your problems are here, then I'm sure that you'll get the answers you need.
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 July 2014, 11:55:04
Yes, the fact he/she can neither find it or work out what it does is a very BAD sign!  ;D :y
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: tunnie on 15 July 2014, 11:55:52
As above, if your 'mechanic' doe not know what it does or where it is, I'd find a new mechanic  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 12:07:21
IMy mechanic is having truble with the Idle Control Valve / the  location and whot dose it do. this is the nex thing I have to get him to try, to over come the problem. many thanks.
Whats the problem with it?
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: 05omegav6 on 15 July 2014, 12:08:28
IMy mechanic is having truble with the Idle Control Valve / the  location and whot dose it do. this is the nex thing I have to get him to try, to over come the problem. many thanks.
Whats the problem with it?
Crank sensor :-X
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 12:12:15
IMy mechanic is having truble with the Idle Control Valve / the  location and whot dose it do. this is the nex thing I have to get him to try, to over come the problem. many thanks.
Whats the problem with it?
Crank sensor :-X
Ah right, take it this a follow on post then, or another stab in the dark.
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: 05omegav6 on 15 July 2014, 12:19:26
Take your pick ::)
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: vauxhall007 on 15 July 2014, 12:38:54
Yes on July the *th I posted that My Omega V6 started cutting out on me when was almost home , It starts ok but after a while it cuts out again and again. Had carbereta cleamed, no change .Your replies were Cam Shaft Cencers had them done no diferent.Now left with the Idle Control Valve  Yes, or can there be any other causes !!..thank you..
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: 05omegav6 on 15 July 2014, 12:44:13
Crank sensor not Cam sensor... sorry for shouting but they are totally different.
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 12:45:35
Yes on July the *th I posted that My Omega V6 started cutting out on me when was almost home , It starts ok but after a while it cuts out again and again. Had carbereta cleamed, no change .Your replies were Cam Shaft Cencers had them done no diferent.Now left with the Idle Control Valve  Yes, or can there be any other causes !!..thank you..
Hopefully you mean Crank Shaft sensor?, and its only one not them?
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: 05omegav6 on 15 July 2014, 12:57:01
Have you had the fault codes read?

If not, why not?

If yes, what were they?

Apologies for being terse, but it's hard enough to diagnose summat unseen as it is, but when only being given snippets of information, it becomes impossible :-\

You have yet to confirm whether the crank sensor has been changed or not... it's the one next to the oil filter, assuming your mechanic can find that :-X
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: joff on 15 July 2014, 13:02:02
Yes on July the *th I posted that My Omega V6 started cutting out on me when was almost home , It starts ok but after a while it cuts out again and again. Had carbereta cleamed, no change .Your replies were Cam Shaft Cencers had them done no diferent.Now left with the Idle Control Valve  Yes, or can there be any other causes !!..thank you..

 On a Mig V6 :o :o
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: 05omegav6 on 15 July 2014, 13:04:26
Starting to wonder if this isn't Stemo being bored :-X
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 13:05:25
To be honest, if your mechanic is using words to you like, changed them, cleaned Carburettor, cant find ICV and what does it do, I think you really need to stop know and change your mechanic or ask for some help from any OOF Mobile Mechanics on here.  ;) 
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 13:09:48
Starting to wonder if this isn't Stemo being bored :-X
No idea Al, IP locator would help with that one, but we cant do that,         .........but we know some men that can  ;)
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 15 July 2014, 13:11:34
Yes on July the *th I posted that My Omega V6 started cutting out on me when was almost home , It starts ok but after a while it cuts out again and again. Had carbereta cleamed, no change .Your replies were Cam Shaft Cencers had them done no diferent.Now left with the Idle Control Valve  Yes, or can there be any other causes !!..thank you..

Ok, so some info here.

The V6 Omega is a fuel injected car and hence there is no carburettor, there is however a throttle butterfly (twin in this case) which can get gummed up but, would not and cannot cause cutting out.

The reason is that the idle air bypasses the throttle butterfly via the idle control valve, if this sticks shut then its possible for the engine to cut out however, this can only ever occur when the engine is idling (so easy to determine as if the car cuts out at any sort of speed, it CAN NOT be the idle control valve).

There is however a very key sensor which is the crank shaft sensor and this tells the electronics the engine speed and the position of the crankshaft.

When this fails it can cause the engine to cut out.

There is also a cam shaft sensor, this tells the electronics which cylinder is on the firing stroke so it can determine injection and ignition correctly, when this fails (and it never does on the V6), the engine goes into a limp mode where the rpm is restricted to 4000rpm and the injectors are bank fired rather than sequentially fired.

So if the engine is cutting out at idle then the idle control valve is worth cleaning, if the engine is cutting out randomly then its most likely crank sensor and we advise to go genuine as the aftermarket parts are poor quality.

Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: RobG on 15 July 2014, 13:46:02
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608008515671099535&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0)
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv& mobile machanic's
Post by: vauxhall007 on 15 July 2014, 13:52:59
you said find a mobile mechanic a OOC mobile mechanic how do I contact one..
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 13:56:40
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608008515671099535&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0)
Me, me, me, me, I know what that is, its a later type alternative communication port plug alignment adapter dongle for the Low Coolant level driver sensor on the plastic bottle thing in the front of the car.  :)
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv& mobile machanic's
Post by: zirk on 15 July 2014, 14:01:37
you said find a mobile mechanic a OOC mobile mechanic how do I contact one..
said OOF actually, post up a 'OOF Mobile Mechanic help needed, in the Windsor area'
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: Steve B on 15 July 2014, 14:07:17
Have a read of this  :y

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.0
Title: Re: Idle Control Valv
Post by: Webby the Bear on 16 July 2014, 11:26:27
IMy mechanic is having truble with the Idle Control Valve / the  location and whot dose it do. this is the nex thing I have to get him to try, to over come the problem. many thanks.

Oh. Dear.