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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: D on 17 August 2014, 15:02:44
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My left rear SL spring is broken. Found it incidentally whilst changing tyres. Looking through previous posts Boge seem recommended, but are also discontinued? CP4L have these:
http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/cp4l/c/Vauxhall_Omega_3.2_2002/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/car-springs/?627720280&1&13acef40a80261820fb9b92bce923e11ee466923&1&000073 (http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/cp4l/c/Vauxhall_Omega_3.2_2002/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/car-springs/?627720280&1&13acef40a80261820fb9b92bce923e11ee466923&1&000073)
which are from the same parent company?
Other options include K-flex from BPB:
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/3.2/2002/__/102/steering-suspension/suspension/coil-springs/ (http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/buy/VAUXHALL/OMEGA/3.2/2002/__/102/steering-suspension/suspension/coil-springs/)
Or perhaps old stock from this Amazon reseller:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Boge-25-964-0-Coil-Spring/dp/B004CQO8M4
Need to get some and then get it sorted with the sort of mileage I do on the weekends. And I plan to change the pair, which seems to be the norm?
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If you decide to go down the used route, Humbucker has some for sale in parts listings. Might be worth sending him a pm :y
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Not keen on used, seems like a false economy to me.
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Just make sure they are for the Elite as they are softer than others because of the SL shocks. :y
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Any omega spring will work self levelling. (But not tother way round)
So you could fit the firmer and easier to find and more durable standard springs, unless you prefer the softer (jelly on a plate) Elite ride of course.
Each the their own if course but might open up a few options.
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Yup, I dont mind standard springs. Given the Boge variants are no longer available, what would you recommend?
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Mv6 lowered sports chassis all round ;D. (Special order from Germany and possibly no longer available anyway)
Personally, I wouldn't touch any of that lot. So I certainly wouldn't recommend them to anyone else. So, Vx standard springs via trade club for you. But they are still very expensive, even with tc discount. Mv6 where £150 ish on tc last i looked for instance, and that was a while ago.
Ya pays your money....
Elite springs are very soft and quite thin at the ends. So used standard springs might not be such a gamble.
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Bugger, I need some and Boge were the last ones I got :(
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Mv6 lowered sports chassis all round ;D. (Special order from Germany and possibly no longer available anyway)
Personally, I wouldn't touch any of that lot. So I certainly wouldn't recommend them to anyone else. So, Vx standard springs via trade club for you. But they are still very expensive, even with tc discount. Mv6 where £150 ish on tc last i looked for instance, and that was a while ago.
Ya pays your money....
Elite springs are very soft and quite thin at the ends. So used standard springs might not be such a gamble.
The Boge ones I had still visually look in excellent condition, zero rust on them. Only when adjusting handbrake I spotted the very last curl on one of them has snapped off, hoping they would last longer. They did 3 years, which I guess is not *too* bad, not brilliant though.
Hummmm what to get next :-\
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Just checked, Boge are in stock?
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Vauxhall_Omega_2.2_2000/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/coil-spring/?627720285&1&e5ccfa969e9a7297bf9ec89809963df5f995577f&000073 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Vauxhall_Omega_2.2_2000/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/coil-spring/?627720285&1&e5ccfa969e9a7297bf9ec89809963df5f995577f&000073)
Tempted to try Sachs though....
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Vauxhall_Omega_2.2_2000/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/coil-spring/?627720280&1&e24c9b009eafe6949512fc7cb1ab1ec80fad3939&000073 (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Vauxhall_Omega_2.2_2000/p/car-parts/suspension-and-steering/suspension/coil-spring/?627720280&1&e24c9b009eafe6949512fc7cb1ab1ec80fad3939&000073)
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Mv6 lowered sports chassis all round ;D. (Special order from Germany and possibly no longer available anyway)
Personally, I wouldn't touch any of that lot. So I certainly wouldn't recommend them to anyone else. So, Vx standard springs via trade club for you. But they are still very expensive, even with tc discount. Mv6 where £150 ish on tc last i looked for instance, and that was a while ago.
Ya pays your money....
Elite springs are very soft and quite thin at the ends. So used standard springs might not be such a gamble.
The Boge ones I had still visually look in excellent condition, zero rust on them. Only when adjusting handbrake I spotted the very last curl on one of them has snapped off, hoping they would last longer. They did 3 years, which I guess is not *too* bad, not brilliant though.
Hummmm what to get next :-\
Is this on the 3.2 or the 2.2?
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Desmond, because he keeps overloading it ::)
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Ah, 2.2 I see, from another thread. Not the 3.2 running sl springs with standard shocks ::)
So, just to be make the point further, how long DID THE VAUXHALL ONES LAST.... ? :)
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Desmond, because he keeps overloading it ::)
Does he now. ;D I's say he needs a 3.2 with self levelling and lpg donut tank then. ::)
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Desmond, because he keeps overloading it ::)
Does he now. ;D I's say he needs a 3.2 with self levelling and lpg donut tank then. ::)
Or a 3.0 estate with a donut tank ::)
Anywho, to answer your other question... 2001 car, had new springs three years ago, I make that ten years out of the genuine ones :y
Genuine aren't three times the cost, yet last over three times longer. That makes them better value for money than aftermarket ::)
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2.2, always carrying a shed load of LPG around. Not sure on Vx ones, 2.2 was 5 years old when I got it.
Desmond, because he keeps overloading it ::)
Does he now. ;D I's say he needs a 3.2 with self levelling and lpg donut tank then. ::)
Or a 3.0 estate with a donut tank ::)
Anywho, to answer your other question... 2001 car, had new springs three years ago, I make that ten years out of the genuine ones :y
You forget KYB on there before Boge :)
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Even so... ::)
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2.2, always carrying a shed load of LPG around. Not sure on Vx ones, 2.2 was 5 years old when I got it.
Desmond, because he keeps overloading it ::)
Does he now. ;D I's say he needs a 3.2 with self levelling and lpg donut tank then. ::)
Or a 3.0 estate with a donut tank ::)
Anywho, to answer your other question... 2001 car, had new springs three years ago, I make that ten years out of the genuine ones :y
You forget KYB on there before Boge :)
So you've got a full tank of petrol as well then....? I don't think so Tunnie is too tight. ;D
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KYB went on around 3 years before that, so maybe 7 out of GM. But I don't know if they were replaced before I owned it.
Also, GM's quality is not what it used to be. Exhausts prime example, in 2005? Absolutely GM all the way, but now? No way, over priced and Eternal just as good. I'm not convinced a lot of GM's stuff is what it used to be for the Omega.
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Guessing it was LPGd about 6 years ago :-\ not that the 100 litre gas tank over the back axle has anything to do with anything...
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KYB went on around 3 years before that, so maybe 7 out of GM. But I don't know if they were replaced before I owned it.
Also, GM's quality is not what it used to be. Exhausts prime example, in 2005? Absolutely GM all the way, but now? No way, over priced and Eternal just as good. I'm not convinced a lot of GM's stuff is what it used to be for the Omega.
Tunnie you can't compare exhausts with springs/apples with pairs. Especially given recent arguments about pattern gaskets. ;D
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Comparing the quality. Do we recommend GM zorsts? ::)
Can visually see/feel how good they are, less so with other parts.
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Comparing the quality. Do we recommend GM zorsts? ::)
Can visually see/feel how good they are, less so with other parts.
No we don't, I had one remember. But we're talking about springs ffs ;D
Where's that bang head against wall smiley.....
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To answer both your questions might be summat useful here...
https://www.atp-autoteile.de/products/group/15808/507030/list-1-50-2.htm
Personally, I would go with the pair for €49 for standard saloon without self leveling, so suitable for both Ds 3.2 and Tunnies 2.2 :y
P.s. this is a discussion about springs, everyone knows that eternal is the best place to get mild steel exhausts, so can it :-X
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Comparing the quality. Do we recommend GM zorsts? ::)
Can visually see/feel how good they are, less so with other parts.
No we don't, I had one remember. But we're talking about springs ffs ;D
Where's that bang head against wall smiley.....
I had one too, so know what they were like. You are missing my poiny. GM went cheap build on those, we can tell. Easily. Visually and weight wise.
Are exhausts the only place they penny pinched, I doubt it. ;)
Either way, won't be bothering with GMs springs on a standard suspension setup.
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*cough*
Have posted 11 suggestions, with a pointer towards which ones might be a good starting point ::)
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Can't be asked with German site ordering. But thanks though.
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Comparing the quality. Do we recommend GM zorsts? ::)
Can visually see/feel how good they are, less so with other parts.
No we don't, I had one remember. But we're talking about springs ffs ;D
Where's that bang head against wall smiley.....
I had one too, so know what they were like. You are missing my poiny. GM went cheap build on those, we can tell. Easily. Visually and weight wise.
Are exhausts the only place they penny pinched, I doubt it. ;)
Either way, won't be bothering with GMs springs on a standard suspension setup.
Firstly it was not you that asked, its D's thread remember. But if you did ask you'd get the same reply. Vx springs. But on trade club to keep the price down, ish.
If you want to fit aftermarket quality due to cost you can't then moan they don't last.
Aftermarket quality is not oe quality. And don't we know it.
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Can't be asked with German site ordering. But thanks though.
About right...They sell them on egay, in english, ignoring the fact that from the link, you simply click them into the basket, go to checkout fill in a few details and they pop them in the post, which incidentally is free, near as I can tell. Only to later complain about paying £80+ for some tat from ECP.
No helping some people :-X
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Comparing the quality. Do we recommend GM zorsts? ::)
Can visually see/feel how good they are, less so with other parts.
No we don't, I had one remember. But we're talking about springs ffs ;D
Where's that bang head against wall smiley.....
I had one too, so know what they were like. You are missing my poiny. GM went cheap build on those, we can tell. Easily. Visually and weight wise.
Are exhausts the only place they penny pinched, I doubt it. ;)
Either way, won't be bothering with GMs springs on a standard suspension setup.
Firstly it was not you that asked, its D's thread remember. But if you did ask you'd get the same reply. Vx springs. But on trade club to keep the price down, ish.
If you want to fit aftermarket quality due to cost you can't then moan they don't last.
Aftermarket quality is not oe quality. And don't we know it.
Apart from Exhausts ::)
Can't be asked with German site ordering. But thanks though.
About right...They sell them on egay, in english, ignoring the fact that from the link, you simply click them into the basket, go to checkout fill in a few details and they pop them in the post, which incidentally is free, near as I can tell. Only to later complain about paying £80+ for some tat from ECP.
No helping some people :-X
Can I read German? No. Did you mention eBay before? No. Can I be bothered to fart around on a German site on my phone? No.
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Fair dos, should expect as much from someone who can't be bothered to drive 5 minutes the wrong way to buy lpg :-X
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Tunnie, you are, quite simply, retarded. ;D there's no other word for it. ;D
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Vx Springs £250 retail :o bargin on T/C though, £151.10 + vat. Then have to faff around trying to get to a bloody dealer before they shut, so leaving work early.
Boge/Sachs £60 inc vat, delivered to my door.
Difficult choice ::)
Fair dos, should expect as much from someone who can't be bothered to drive 5 minutes the wrong way to buy lpg :-X
I buy LPG on my commute, I pass one every day, why would I want to drive the wrong way? ??? ??? ??? Then again i'd expect a taxi drive wrong way?
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Vx Springs £250 retail :o bargin on T/C though, £151.10 + vat. Then have to faff around trying to get to a bloody dealer before they shut, so leaving work early.
Boge/Sachs £60 inc vat, delivered to my door.
Difficult choice ::)
...well don't moan they (Boge) only last 3 years then ;D
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Vx Springs £250 retail :o bargin on T/C though, £151.10 + vat. Then have to faff around trying to get to a bloody dealer before they shut, so leaving work early.
Boge/Sachs £60 inc vat, delivered to my door.
Difficult choice ::)
...well don't moan they (Boge) only last 3 years then ;D
I didn't moan, i said they were not too bad? ???
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You can get a PAIR delivered to your door for about £42... some decision. :-X
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You can get a PAIR delivered to your door for about £42... some decision. :-X
Complete unknowns though
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Vx Springs £250 retail :o bargin on T/C though, £151.10 + vat. Then have to faff around trying to get to a bloody dealer before they shut, so leaving work early.
Boge/Sachs £60 inc vat, delivered to my door.
Difficult choice ::)
...well don't moan they (Boge) only last 3 years then ;D
I didn't moan, i said they were not too bad? ???
Yet you won't fit them again. Tunnie, really.....
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You can get a PAIR delivered to your door for about £42... some decision. :-X
Complete unknowns though
While I wouldn't touch those with a barge poll personally, somebody has to try alternatives or we'd never of found eternal for example.
I think your the man personally. ;D :P
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Can't be any worse than the ones that only last 3 years, or by your own protestations, GM one which must be inferior because they're so expensive...
Idiot.
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You can get a PAIR delivered to your door for about £42... some decision. :-X
Complete unknowns though
While I wouldn't touch those with a barge poll personally, somebody has to try alternatives or we'd never of found eternal for example.
I think your the man personally. ;D :P
Especially given the price...
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Here you go, just click the link, fill in your details and off you go...
https://www.atp-autoteile.de/Mein_Konto/0/Mein_Konto.htm
:-*
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Can't be any worse than the ones that only last 3 years, or by your own protestations, GM one which must be inferior because they're so expensive...
Idiot.
Oh dear getting personal. :(
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Can't be any worse than the ones that only last 3 years, or by your own protestations, GM one which must be inferior because they're so expensive...
Idiot.
Oh dear getting personal. :(
I thought he was exceptionally polite, all things considered ;D ;D ;D
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Hopefully D, and others will appreciate the link :y
They do a good range of springs for the Omega, from €25 upto about €80, including KYB.
Personally I would take a chance on the cheapy ones, on price alone :y
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Back to springs ::)
i brought Sachs springs in 2010 which Chris kindly fitted for me (cos at the time twirling a spanner was beyond me :'() and they have lasted 4 years (touching wood) and i inspected them last week and no broken ends or owt like that.
The only thing i'd say is that they're very springy. These arent for you if you prefer a firmer ride. imo
HTH :y
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
Boge, Sachs & Lemforder are all brands owned by ZF - I wonder if they are the same product with a different badge? :-\
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
That sounds about right mate. At the time Vx wanted something extortionate which is why i brought Vx shockers and got the pattern springs.
Ps, not getting involved in the banter lol just passing on what i got :y
Also, just to add.... cos i found the Vx rear shockers leaking a few months ago (meaning the vx shocks lasted about 3 years) i purchased pattern shocks by ''Anschler'' for £40 for both. i was very concerned initially cos when you press them down to prime them they didnt come back up. ??? i posted a thread about this and we all agreed this was unusual and should be sent back. i did that very thing and got a new set which did exactly the same.
Well, as i am 5 mins away from Vx (and have access to mums car) and they have my shocks in stock i thought i'll try the Anschler ones and run to Vx if they caused issues.
Well so far no issues and the cars running at a really nice height. Smooth over bumps. of course i cant say how long they'll last but if you get shocks that dont ''return'' when depressed then thats prob just the way they are made.
:)
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
Boge, Sachs & Lemforder are all brands owned by ZF - I wonder if they are the same product with a different badge? :-\
Humm I heard the same when I ordered the Boge ones, at time the price difference was the other way. Boge cheaper Sachs more. So went for Boge.
Think I even recall seeing Sachs mentioned on the Boge box!
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
That sounds about right mate. At the time Vx wanted something extortionate which is why i brought Vx shockers and got the pattern springs.
Ps, not getting involved in the banter lol just passing on what i got :y
Also, just to add.... cos i found the Vx rear shockers leaking a few months ago (meaning the vx shocks lasted about 3 years) i purchased pattern shocks by ''Anschler'' for £40 for both. i was very concerned initially cos when you press them down to prime them they didnt come back up. ??? i posted a thread about this and we all agreed this was unusual and should be sent back. i did that very thing and got a new set which did exactly the same.
Well, as i am 5 mins away from Vx (and have access to mums car) and they have my shocks in stock i thought i'll try the Anschler ones and run to Vx if they caused issues.
Well so far no issues and the cars running at a really nice height. Smooth over bumps. of course i cant say how long they'll last but if you get shocks that dont ''return'' when depressed then thats prob just the way they are made.
:)
Thanks mate. See this is my point on Vx parts, little fatty was saying same thing about shocks on his MV6. Not lasting well, B4's much better. So I'm dubious on a lot of their parts now. Apart from oil and gaskets and sensors :y
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Cheers. Sensible advice at last. Sachs can be had for £30 a side. Was tempted. But good to hear they last well. Will probably go with them :y
That sounds about right mate. At the time Vx wanted something extortionate which is why i brought Vx shockers and got the pattern springs.
Ps, not getting involved in the banter lol just passing on what i got :y
Also, just to add.... cos i found the Vx rear shockers leaking a few months ago (meaning the vx shocks lasted about 3 years) i purchased pattern shocks by ''Anschler'' for £40 for both. i was very concerned initially cos when you press them down to prime them they didnt come back up. ??? i posted a thread about this and we all agreed this was unusual and should be sent back. i did that very thing and got a new set which did exactly the same.
Well, as i am 5 mins away from Vx (and have access to mums car) and they have my shocks in stock i thought i'll try the Anschler ones and run to Vx if they caused issues.
Well so far no issues and the cars running at a really nice height. Smooth over bumps. of course i cant say how long they'll last but if you get shocks that dont ''return'' when depressed then thats prob just the way they are made.
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Thanks mate. See this is my point on Vx parts, little fatty was saying same thing about shocks on his MV6. Not lasting well, B4's much better. So I'm dubious on a lot of their parts now. Apart from oil and gaskets and sensors :y
Maybe a Gixer-style ''Vx early fail'' thread is in order to really find out what others are experiencing :D :y
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;D ;D ;D
I should check rear shocks on 2.2, can't remember when I changed those, think around 5 years ago :o
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;D ;D ;D
I should check rear shocks on 2.2, can't remember when I changed those, think around 5 years ago :o
So have they lasted 3 years or five? Make your mind up...
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;D ;D ;D
I should check rear shocks on 2.2, can't remember when I changed those, think around 5 years ago :o
So have they lasted 3 years or five? Make your mind up...
Not Springs.
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
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Pmsl ;D
Of course it is... ::)
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Since when has a thread ever stayed on topic. You can start a thread about cam belts and end up talking about pies ::) ;D
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Since when has a thread ever stayed on topic. You can start a thread about cam belts and end up talking about pies ::) ;D
Sticky fingered thread hijack you mean.
What springs would Tunnie recommend to D? Thin ones I'm betting. Very sticky thin ones that aspire to be a mans weight and build and don't break easy talking rubbish on forums ;D
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
So Chris, you're the expert at posting threads on stuff that'll wind Cem up all things Omega. Reckon it's worth a ''Vx Early Fail'' thread? ;)
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
So Chris, you're the expert at posting threads on stuff that'll wind Cem up all things Omega. Reckon it's worth a ''Vx Early Fail'' thread? ;)
On springs or exhausts? Just to be clear.... ;D
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
So Chris, you're the expert at posting threads on stuff that'll wind Cem up all things Omega. Reckon it's worth a ''Vx Early Fail'' thread? ;)
On springs or exhausts? Just to be clear.... ;D
;D ;D ;D
All things Vaux. Then we could gauge what's failing and what's still good :)
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
So Chris, you're the expert at posting threads on stuff that'll wind Cem up all things Omega. Reckon it's worth a ''Vx Early Fail'' thread? ;)
On springs or exhausts? Just to be clear.... ;D
You sound very knowledgeable chrisgixer, could you have a look at my thread and advise me please?
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My bad ::) I thought the thread was about springs... ;D
Silly billy, it's all about Tunnie ;D
So Chris, you're the expert at posting threads on stuff that'll wind Cem up all things Omega. Reckon it's worth a ''Vx Early Fail'' thread? ;)
On springs or exhausts? Just to be clear.... ;D
;D ;D ;D
All things Vaux. Then we could gauge what's failing and what's still good :)
Done vx springs in car chat.
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Must've missed that :y
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What happened here? I go away for 24 hours and look at what happens.
Quite differing opinions. Not sure what to do. With lots of little things failing on the Omega, I am not sure a £200 set of springs is the best choice currently. Although I completely see CG's point re: value rather than outright cost.
Hmm, decisions, decisions!
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See here also
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=125589.0
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See here also
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=125589.0
Gives wrong picture I think. Parts fitted from factory last way better. Shocks on my 2.2
Lasted 8 years and 150k odd. Webby got 3 years out of his GM shocks. TB also stated poor life from GM shocks.
Factory exhaust lasts 10 years/100k easy, would exhaust bought now from a dealer do that now? No, from experience. One bought for father t after the quality dipped Lasted 4 years.
Why are you so sure that springs bought now will last? Its clear parts are not what they used to be, to me anyway. Omega ended production years ago, Vx will sell cheapest parts they can. As they no longer main stream service or do warrenty or fleet service.
Luckily gaskets and sensors still good.
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Moved content to post in gen car chat :y
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See here also
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=125589.0
Gives wrong picture I think. Parts fitted from factory last way better. Shocks on my 2.2
Lasted 8 years and 150k odd. Webby got 3 years out of his GM shocks. TB also stated poor life from GM shocks.
Factory exhaust lasts 10 years/100k easy, would exhaust bought now from a dealer do that now? No, from experience. One bought for father t after the quality dipped Lasted 4 years.
Why are you so sure that springs bought now will last? Its clear parts are not what they used to be, to me anyway. Omega ended production years ago, Vx will sell cheapest parts they can. As they no longer main stream service or do warrenty or fleet service.
Luckily gaskets and sensors still good.
Your thinking is clearly out if tune currently.
1 as said. Two sets of mv6 springs fitted from vx parts dept. on this car and previous. Non problems.
2 again as said, the thread in gen car chat does go further into dealer supplied parts. Not that you've noticed. ::)
3 you have no experience of dealer supplied springs and seem to think buying an exhaust is a good insight into suspension parts.
4 shut up Tunnie your talking shite! again. ;D Christ almighty. ;D
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If I said that, I would be aggressive and personal ::)
And obese ;D
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If I said that, I would be aggressive and personal ::)
And obese ;D
Shut up fatty ;D ;D ;D