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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 June 2015, 11:00:51
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Following on from the discussion about this in the newbie section - I have spent much more time reading through the sections of the forum than I have posting on it, and have formed a few opinions on various issues.
One of them is that it could possibly be a good idea for the admins to consider lowering the limit ?
It seems pretty clear that when this figure was decided on, there were many, many more active members who posted many more posts on all kinds of subjects, so it would have been easier to rack up 250 posts in a shorter space of time.
It seems that the forum is now much smaller and less active, with less people wanting to sell cars or parts,so it may be worth the number of posts required being adjusted to reflect this ?
I don't have any parts or a car that I want to sell. Just thought it might be worth raising the matter for discussion. ;)
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Of course it is there for a reason, but at the same time it's happened a few times where people have requested that an item be placed in the wanted section, and been granted. If you've been on the forum for two years, but only racked up say 100 posts, clearly you've not just signed up to scam someone, and this would be taken into account.
As you say, an alteration maybe in the form of 250 posts minimum, or 3 months 200 posts, 6 months 150 posts.
To be honest I don't see 250 as that much and it's kind of there as a 'showing willing' thing. To join, but not post, then hope to sell stuff it's a bit like joining a Gym, paying your monthly membership, but never actually going, thing. Now maybe if the Admins wanted to turn around and say 250 posts = free sales, but less than 250 posts = we want 20% of the final £ sale, hey, why you compaining? it's cheaper than selling via heebay! But the admins would never do that, this is a forum, and a free open theatre for discourse. :)
OOF's free, all that is asked is that an effort is made, as a forum without members/chatting just isn't a forum, it's a dead piece of webspace.
Fully appreciate your view, and do see where you're coming from, though :)
(and also appreciate that by opening this for debate, even if you now get a string of 50 people saying "you're wrong newbie! booo! 250 isn't much, clear off if you don't like it blah blah moan moan moan" you have, by definition used the forum, and for its very purpose - friendly debate and conversation, thus in part, keeping OOF alive :)
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The figures used to be lower, much lower.
Unfortunately this eant it was too easy to enter a page of hello's to newbies, and there it was, you had access.
Now it is 250, and the Newbie section locks posts to help control this.
This site costs time and money to run, and isnt the free ad's, Sales are limited to those who show some sort of commitment to using the forum and hopefully giving potential buyers an insight into who they are.
I cannot see this limit changing downwards any time soon.
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The figures used to be lower, much lower.
Unfortunately this eant it was too easy to enter a page of hello's to newbies, and there it was, you had access.
Now it is 250, and the Newbie section locks posts to help control this.
This site costs time and money to run, and isnt the free ad's, Sales are limited to those who show some sort of commitment to using the forum and hopefully giving potential buyers an insight into who they are.
I cannot see this limit changing downwards any time soon.
And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
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The figures used to be lower, much lower.
Unfortunately this eant it was too easy to enter a page of hello's to newbies, and there it was, you had access.
Now it is 250, and the Newbie section locks posts to help control this.
This site costs time and money to run, and isnt the free ad's, Sales are limited to those who show some sort of commitment to using the forum and hopefully giving potential buyers an insight into who they are.
I cannot see this limit changing downwards any time soon.
And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
Those are the good points. ;D
What about the negative aspects of Omega ownership? ;)
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
Should you be so unwise as to do so.......expects offers of less than £1000. :D
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
Should you be so unwise as to do so.......expects offers of less than £1000 or ten omegas :D
About right.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
Those are the good points. ;D
What about the negative aspects of Omega ownership? ;)
;D
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Back to the OP's point....I thought that when I joined but once you get involved a bit more it's easy enough to rack them up, even with people over 250 I have had issues with purchases so god knows what problems there would be if the limit was 50
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STOP BLOODY MOANING,BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET INVOLVED, :y
They have been the rules for years so why should they be changed for you, so you dont have to post 250 times.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
;D ;D
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STOP BLOODY MOANING,BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET INVOLVED, :y
They have been the rules for years so why should they be changed for you, so you dont have to post 250 times.
Be fair, OP was not moaning, just making a comment. Yes it may be that he would like to sell something, but he hasn't said that, in fact he specifically denies that he has anything to sell. :y
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The figures used to be lower, much lower.
Unfortunately this eant it was too easy to enter a page of hello's to newbies, and there it was, you had access.
Now it is 250, and the Newbie section locks posts to help control this.
This site costs time and money to run, and isnt the free ad's, Sales are limited to those who show some sort of commitment to using the forum and hopefully giving potential buyers an insight into who they are.
I cannot see this limit changing downwards any time soon.
And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
How do you do that? ::) ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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STOP BLOODY MOANING,BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET INVOLVED, :y
They have been the rules for years so why should they be changed for you, so you dont have to post 250 times.
Be fair, OP was not moaning, just making a comment. Yes it may be that he would like to sell something, but he hasn't said that, in fact he specifically denies that he has anything to sell. :y
Yep, there's nothing wrong with having the discussion. ;)
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My vote would go for keeping the 250 post rule[not that it's up for a vote or that I hold any sway on the matter!!!!]Does the post count rule apply to want ads?I can't recall but I don't see any harm in a wanted ad no matter how many posts are made.That's just my opinion anyway.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
Quiet, Junior. I am not going to attempt to sell a modern, low mileage, economical car on here, am I?
The criteria is: ancient, starship miles, mpg in the teens. Rot and rust seem to be expensive extras.
I quite agree Steve, no respect from the junior members there days........... :D :D :D
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Especially that junior tigger bloke :D
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Jeez.... It's still light, what's that vampire doing out? :o ::) ;D
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Especially that junior tigger bloke :D
Actually TB saved me from myself by demoting me, as I was thinking of selling my Mig with it's brand new MOT (No advisories) but as a newbie I can't..... ::) I made a valiant attempt at restoring my previous station in life but have now decided it's just karma. 8)
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Following on from the discussion about this in the newbie section - I have spent much more time reading through the sections of the forum than I have posting on it, and have formed a few opinions on various issues.
One of them is that it could possibly be a good idea for the admins to consider lowering the limit ?
It seems pretty clear that when this figure was decided on, there were many, many more active members who posted many more posts on all kinds of subjects, so it would have been easier to rack up 250 posts in a shorter space of time.
It seems that the forum is now much smaller and less active, with less people wanting to sell cars or parts,so it may be worth the number of posts required being adjusted to reflect this ?
I don't have any parts or a car that I want to sell. Just thought it might be worth raising the matter for discussion. ;)
Knowing admin position on sales... Not a hope in hell, I'd of thought.
1 admin want a quiet life and disputes over sales isn't on that agenda. (Although I'm not sure why admin have to get involved in sales disputes tbh, gum tree and eBay can't be arsed, for example. Might be a legal thing though.)
2 would you be happy buying from someone you didn't know at all, or someone that's been around a while?
3 selling is free. There's no where to edevertise a car for free on the web. So 250 posts is needed to keep all and sundry at bay, it would just get out of hand.
4 250 posts is a time served figure known to work given 1-3 above. Lowering it is, iirc, known to cause agro I'm fairly sure.
So I'd be bloody amazed of it was lowered.
Apart from anything else, all you'll get is a load of bitching and moaning about the car, the price, the colour with the hypothetical price lowered with each post until they'll have you paying them to take it away. ::)
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3 selling is free. There's no where to edevertise a car for free on the web. So 250 posts is needed to keep all and sundry at bay, it would just get out of hand.
Gumtree. ;)
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And thats just 2 with out even looking on line,maybe using a search thing like err yahoo,google will help, ;D
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Jeez.... It's still light, what's that vampire doing out? :o ::) ;D
:y :y :-*
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3 selling is free. There's no where to edevertise a car for free on the web. So 250 posts is needed to keep all and sundry at bay, it would just get out of hand.
Gumtree. ;)
Ah yes. But more than a certain number they accuse you of being a dealer and expect a fee. But quite right Trigger :y
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STOP BLOODY MOANING,BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET INVOLVED, :y
They have been the rules for years so why should they be changed for you, so you dont have to post 250 times.
I can only assume that you read the title of the thread but didn't bother reading the content of my post. ???
There was no moaning involved whatsoever. Imo the way to be constructive is to have a civilised discussion on any given topic.
Im as involved as I want to be in this forum. I happen to be much more involved in a few other forums, but they are much more open, friendly, and generally have a much higher level of discussion between members, without people shouting at each other.
I don't want the rules changed for me, in fact I don't actually want them changed at all. I just had the thought that it may be worth revisiting the subject and having a discussion about it, now that the forum appears to have changed quite dramatically (cant think why ::) :-X ) since the rules were first applied.
As I stated in my first post, I have no plans whatsoever to sell anything on here. Having read the comments on quite a few of the "Car for sale" threads, I can say with some conviction that if I decided to sell my Omega, this would be way down the list of places I would want to advertise it. ;)
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Freeads
Pre loved
And thats just 2 with out even looking on line,maybe using a search thing like err yahoo,google will help, ;D
True, but will it sell on there?
What I should of said was there's nowhere "worth" advertising for free. (Including on here actually)
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STOP BLOODY MOANING,BE CONSTRUCTIVE AND GET INVOLVED, :y
They have been the rules for years so why should they be changed for you, so you dont have to post 250 times.
I can only assume that you read the title of the thread but didn't bother reading the content of my post. ???
There was no moaning involved whatsoever. Imo the way to be constructive is to have a civilised discussion on any given topic.
Im as involved as I want to be in this forum. I happen to be much more involved in a few other forums, but they are much more open, friendly, and generally have a much higher level of discussion between members, without people shouting at each other.
I don't want the rules changed for me, in fact I don't actually want them changed at all. I just had the thought that it may be worth revisiting the subject and having a discussion about it, now that the forum appears to have changed quite dramatically (cant think why ::) :-X ) since the rules were first applied.
As I stated in my first post, I have no plans whatsoever to sell anything on here. Having read the comments on quite a few of the "Car for sale" threads, I can say with some conviction that if I decided to sell my Omega, this would be way down the list of places I would want to advertise it. ;)
That's quite a statement considering that this forum was considered by many as one of the most friendly.
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Having spent some time reading through quite a lot of the old threads, I would agree that this forum was indeed one of the most friendly.
In fact, a few years ago it seems that it was absolutely hilarious on here at times. What happened ? :-\
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Having spent some time reading through quite a lot of the old threads, I would agree that this forum was indeed one of the most friendly.
In fact, a few years ago it seems that it was absolutely hilarious on here at times. What happened ? :-\
People come and go, it's the way of things.
Car values have dropped.... [Entwood mode on] which attracts a different type of person [Entwood mode off ] apparently. :-\
There do seem to be some very negative approaches to life though, generally speaking.
Your question is worded almost exactly the same as a certain admins. Which is interesting. :)
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It is still friendly and the moderators do so subtly, which is unusual. And bloody difficult!
As for the changes, that's just natural for this sort of increasingly niche subject.
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My vote would go for keeping the 250 post rule[not that it's up for a vote or that I hold any sway on the matter!!!!]Does the post count rule apply to want ads?I can't recall but I don't see any harm in a wanted ad no matter how many posts are made.That's just my opinion anyway.
That's incorrect. All of us have a valid opinion, and all of our views count. There may be reasons why a seemingly good idea cannot be implemented, which the Admin Team would normally try to convey if possible (which it won't be always).
The software doesn't allow distinction between a selling post or wanted post, so prevents posting of wanted ads. However, we do state that wanted ads can be posted in test, and it'll get moved to the correct area.
Hope that clarifies
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There was no moaning involved whatsoever. Imo the way to be constructive is to have a civilised discussion on any given topic.
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I don't want the rules changed for me, in fact I don't actually want them changed at all. I just had the thought that it may be worth revisiting the subject and having a discussion about it, now that the forum appears to have changed quite dramatically (cant think why ::) :-X ) since the rules were first applied.
Absolutely right to discuss it in a friendly, civilised manner, as you state. OOF's basic principles haven't changed since the start, and the site owners want to include all members in any changes, policies and decisions whenever viable.
And its certainly worth revisiting a decision made several years ago.
Without extensive modification to the permissions system on the software used by OOF (which won't happen due to the depth of the changes needed, and the fact that a new version of SMF is likely to be released by SMF in 2016, which would require extensive duplicated effort), our options for automatically allowing a post in a certain location is purely based on postcount. We can adjust the numbers, but that is the only metric we can get the software to take account of.
For fear of influencing other people's views (and to allow me to ponder it properly), I'll keep my own views on what the levels should be to myself for a bit longer, so please, everyone, suggest your views :)
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Ok. My view is admin would do away with car sales altogether. And, given the drivel posted on the ads themselves at times, along with possibility of disputes that's understandable, perhaps.
Parts sales are pretty key to OOF existence though. I guess. :)
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There was no moaning involved whatsoever. Imo the way to be constructive is to have a civilised discussion on any given topic.
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I don't want the rules changed for me, in fact I don't actually want them changed at all. I just had the thought that it may be worth revisiting the subject and having a discussion about it, now that the forum appears to have changed quite dramatically (cant think why ::) :-X ) since the rules were first applied.
Absolutely right to discuss it in a friendly, civilised manner, as you state. OOF's basic principles haven't changed since the start, and the site owners want to include all members in any changes, policies and decisions whenever viable.
And its certainly worth revisiting a decision made several years ago.
Without extensive modification to the permissions system on the software used by OOF (which won't happen due to the depth of the changes needed, and the fact that a new version of SMF is likely to be released by SMF in 2016, which would require extensive duplicated effort), our options for automatically allowing a post in a certain location is purely based on postcount. We can adjust the numbers, but that is the only metric we can get the software to take account of.
For fear of influencing other people's views (and to allow me to ponder it properly), I'll keep my own views on what the levels should be to myself for a bit longer, so please, everyone, suggest your views :)
Could you have separate areas for 'Wanted' 'Cars for Sale' and 'Parts for Sale' with different post counts required for each?
(and if you do have a separate area for cars then don't allow any replies/banter/abuse - let the prospective buyer make contact by PM)
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Sorry TB I intended no kind of criticism and I didn't mean to infer that if some kind of poll were posted that my views wouldn't count,just that the admin team set the rules[as far as I'm aware] and a very good and fair job they make of it too.As for distinctions in sale/wanted ads that is the sort of thing I know nothing about but your explanation has made it clearer for me.
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Ok. My view is admin would do away with car sales altogether. And, given the drivel posted on the ads themselves at times, along with possibility of disputes that's understandable, perhaps.
Parts sales are pretty key to OOF existence though. I guess. :)
Not interested in your view of what you think the Admin Team would like to do, only interested in your view of what you'd like it to look like.
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Could you have separate areas for 'Wanted' 'Cars for Sale' and 'Parts for Sale' with different post counts required for each?
A valid suggestion. It would need an awful lot of moderation, possibly more than we could manage.
Wanted ads are less problematic as it stands now, although still needs moderation.
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Sorry TB I intended no kind of criticism and I didn't mean to infer that if some kind of poll were posted that my views wouldn't count,just that the admin team set the rules[as far as I'm aware] and a very good and fair job they make of it too.As for distinctions in sale/wanted ads that is the sort of thing I know nothing about but your explanation has made it clearer for me.
None taken, you'd have to be far blunter to piece my skin :P.
You are a member here. Your view counts as much as anybody else's, including mine, Mark's, Barry's, Broocie's, Kevin's and James'. So stop arse licking :P, and post 'em up :y
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Ok. My view is admin would do away with car sales altogether. And, given the drivel posted on the ads themselves at times, along with possibility of disputes that's understandable, perhaps.
Parts sales are pretty key to OOF existence though. I guess. :)
Not interested in your view of what you think the Admin Team would like to do, only interested in your view of what you'd like it to look like.
Ultimately that's what will stand though as admin have to deal with it.
But I think car sale ads should be locked once posted. If possible only accessed by the op to update details or if sold etc. Or by admin of course. (Latter probably isn't possible. ) but locking would be an improvement IMO.
Guidelines suggest starting another thread elsewhere if discussing an ad. While buyer beware is desired, slagging off a perfectly good sale ad isn't on IMO.
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Ok. My view is admin would do away with car sales altogether. And, given the drivel posted on the ads themselves at times, along with possibility of disputes that's understandable, perhaps.
Parts sales are pretty key to OOF existence though. I guess. :)
Not interested in your view of what you think the Admin Team would like to do, only interested in your view of what you'd like it to look like.
Ultimately that's what will stand though as admin have to deal with it.
I'm almost offended. You should know as well as anyone that we try to be as democratic as possible, whenever possible.
But I think car sale ads should be locked once posted. If possible only accessed by the op to update details or if sold etc. Or by admin of course. (Latter probably isn't possible. ) but locking would be an improvement IMO.
Valid idea :y. One I think was discussed by the admin team several years ago, though at the time rejected based on 2 reasons - trying to keep all discussions of that car in one place, and also to stop deals going behind the scenes (we used to have a problem with sellers effectively doing blind auctions via PM (both cars and parts), which the admins couldn't see, and we felt was unfair to buyers). But certainly one to reconsider.
Guidelines suggest starting another thread elsewhere if discussing an ad. While buyer beware is desired, slagging off a perfectly good sale ad isn't on IMO.
Does the location of the slag-off thread matter? Unless there are real concerns about a vehicle, there shouldn't be any slag-off threads IMHO.
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1 offended? Bolleeeerx ;D ;) fact is, if admin can't/won't/shouldn't/couldn't deal with implementation then it won't work. No matter how democratic. Therefore democracy takes a back seat. ....Top gear style ;D
2 Which reminds me. Does the site, any site, have a responsibility to deal with disputes? And does a site have to get involved to the level oof does? What's the basic criteria? If any? If people want to agree a sale off site or privately then the thought occurs that's less responsibility for admin to police.
3 agreed. And yet it's left unchecked, in its current form. A looooong standing one that. It's negative to sales so might explain why.
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Re parts. The number of sticky threads blocks a lot of page 1. While the guidelines ask people not to hog page 1 with numerous threads of their own. This seems rather at odds with the guidelines.
Seems to me a lot of those stickies have a proper place in the recomended suppliers section. Especially as the ac sticky and omega breakers sticky are posted by members of the admin team.
Again, regardless of the reality, this "appears" to be a way of minimising the number of active threads in that section. I say again, for fear of offending (;D) "APPEARS" as in outwardly.
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Another valid point. Recommended sellers desperately needs looking at. We could never get it to work in the way we envisaged. To the point, there was a discussion to remove it entirely.
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How was it envisaged?
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
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How was it envisaged?
A (predefined, preapproved) seller could start their own post with brief background, what they offer to OOFers etc, and be able to update that post with current offers or clearance deals etc.
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
Indeed. I wrote a guide on tyres and recomended parts. (The solid intention being to help people avoid expensive mistakes being repeated over and over, like idlers and Delphi wishbones, and Falkens and sc5's.) Both now lost in the depths of oof.
It could be searched, but nobody bothers though.
Thing is there is nowhere with an up to date thinking on what's the best parts, for exhausts, or idlers, or cam belt kit suppliers.
There was a a great link for new genuine Bosch coil pacs for £50 odd. That sort of info is gold dust. But can I find it? Can I bugger as like. (Although I don't actually need a coil PAC I haven't looked REALLY hard) but i know it's on here somewhere and can't readily find it for others, to post up.
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How was it envisaged?
A (predefined, preapproved) seller could start their own post with brief background, what they offer to OOFers etc, and be able to update that post with current offers or clearance deals etc.
Oh ok, like all German and pedders etc? Handy.
..although those two suppliers came to oof from recommendations from members here. Andy vxl v6 and taxi Al spring to mind. should the recommendation come from members with x amount of posts. Rather than the suppliers "appearing" to recommend them selves, or be approved by admin. Or have I misunderstood?
It would be more trustworthy if the recommendation came from members here. As with James v6 cdx and eternal exhausts? For example.
It's no good the likes of a company that turned out to be similar to autovaux giving x% off for instance, as admin would get nothing but complaints. Or dare I mention , ECP.
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
Indeed. I wrote a guide on tyres and recomended parts. (The solid intention being to help people avoid expensive mistakes being repeated over and over, like idlers and Delphi wishbones, and Falkens and sc5's.) Both now lost in the depths of oof.
Yes I did see that a couple of weeks ago and thought it was a valuable sticky in the making.
It could be searched, but nobody bothers though.
Of course not, it's a forum - not a reference library. It's supposed to be "alive". But the answers should be there to be found also.
There was a a great link for new genuine Bosch coil pacs for £50 odd. That sort of info is gold dust. But can I find it? Can I bugger as like. (Although I don't actually need a coil PAC I haven't looked REALLY hard) but i know it's on here somewhere and can't readily find it for others, to post up.
Ain't it just :o
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
The idea, or a variation of it, was mooted last year, but was felt to be unworkable :-\
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I suppose a thread in gen car chat recommending x y z as useful would allow thorough (;D) examination of the plus and minus sides of a product. Therefor allowing members to make an informed decision IF it's then moved to recomended.
I suppose it comes down to who recommends it. If from members, in the case of eternal or pedders donuts or all German various then that would be well trusted. What seems unclear is where the pre approved aspect ,as admin envisaged, will come from?
Must say I envisaged "approval" to come for a consensus on oof. Which might be tricky in itself ;D
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
Indeed. I wrote a guide on tyres and recomended parts. (The solid intention being to help people avoid expensive mistakes being repeated over and over, like idlers and Delphi wishbones, and Falkens and sc5's.) Both now lost in the depths of oof.
Yes I did see that a couple of weeks ago and thought it was a valuable sticky in the making.
It could be searched, but nobody bothers though.
Of course not, it's a forum - not a reference library. It's supposed to be "alive". But the answers should be there to be found also.
There was a a great link for new genuine Bosch coil pacs for £50 odd. That sort of info is gold dust. But can I find it? Can I bugger as like. (Although I don't actually need a coil PAC I haven't looked REALLY hard) but i know it's on here somewhere and can't readily find it for others, to post up.
Ain't it just :o
I bet, without exception, there's members here that have pished hard earned up the wall buying the wrong product. From Idlers, myself and terbert I know for one, to Wishbones, myself and taxi Al, wheel bearings myself, jeez TB and his sc5 remember that saga. Sensors, cam cover gaskets, exhausts like bosal shite. Etc etc
That bad experience is equally vital as the good experiences. It's ok posting up this part is cheap as chips, provided it lasts more than a week.
It needs to be in one place and readily available. Indexed like the FAQ and maintenance sections into engine, suspension, exterior etc. would be ideal preferably. But then some poor bugger has to sit down and do it. :(
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Recommended sellers was definitely never intended to have any interaction from members (apart from one iteration where an idea was members could ask about stuff, but that opens a different can of worms).
It was always envisaged that sellers would have to meet a predefined, but purposely unpublished, criteria.
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Recommended sellers was definitely never intended to have any interaction from members (apart from one iteration where an idea was members could ask about stuff, but that opens a different can of worms).
It was always envisaged that sellers would have to meet a predefined, but purposely unpublished, criteria.
Which will immediately breed distrust. No?
You mentioned democracy earlier.... ;D (stupid boy Pike ;D )
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Recommended sellers was definitely never intended to have any interaction from members (apart from one iteration where an idea was members could ask about stuff, but that opens a different can of worms).
It was always envisaged that sellers would have to meet a predefined, but purposely unpublished, criteria.
Which will immediately breed distrust. No?
You mentioned democracy earlier.... ;D (stupid boy Pike ;D )
Why would it breed distrust? And which bit?
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Recommended sellers was definitely never intended to have any interaction from members (apart from one iteration where an idea was members could ask about stuff, but that opens a different can of worms).
It was always envisaged that sellers would have to meet a predefined, but purposely unpublished, criteria.
Which will immediately breed distrust. No?
You mentioned democracy earlier.... ;D (stupid boy Pike ;D )
Why would it breed distrust? And which bit?
As the predefined is some sort of secret. Transparency? And all that?
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Recommended sellers was definitely never intended to have any interaction from members (apart from one iteration where an idea was members could ask about stuff, but that opens a different can of worms).
It was always envisaged that sellers would have to meet a predefined, but purposely unpublished, criteria.
Which will immediately breed distrust. No?
You mentioned democracy earlier.... ;D (stupid boy Pike ;D )
Why would it breed distrust? And which bit?
As the predefined is some sort of secret. Transparency? And all that?
Its one of those cases where if we published the criteria, some sellers could play certain games to make the list. We're only interested in "good" suppliers.
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The now totally redundant recommended suppliers section could be used as a recommended parts section.
That way there's no preferential treatment for any particular external vendor, and maybe less people would end up buying crappy steering idler arms in ignorance of just how bad they are >:(
Some examples
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=121920.msg1551777#msg1551777
http://www.omega-owners.com/forum/index.php?topic=121239.msg1542310#msg1542310
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=104043.msg1302788#msg1302788
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=130366.0
Trying. Really am. :)
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Those Tc listings are no longer available on the Tc web site by the way. They may return, but they may not. Good job some of them where copied. But what's the point if their lost in the depths. ...?
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Another valid point. Recommended sellers desperately needs looking at. We could never get it to work in the way we envisaged. To the point, there was a discussion to remove it entirely.
Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Members seem to presume, or is it just me, that they will have some sort of input. If that's not the case, then can we separate the issue?
Ignoring recomended suppliers, for a minute, I think there's grounds for recomended parts section. There would need to be a structure on pricing. I guess? Like on tyres with top end, mid range and budget where available. Etc
But it would save people a lot of money having the latest info, such as idlers, on a particular part to hand. If a part goes tats up, then we need to know. Such as lemforders idlers. GM only now.
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Sorry TB I intended no kind of criticism and I didn't mean to infer that if some kind of poll were posted that my views wouldn't count,just that the admin team set the rules[as far as I'm aware] and a very good and fair job they make of it too.As for distinctions in sale/wanted ads that is the sort of thing I know nothing about but your explanation has made it clearer for me.
None taken, you'd have to be far blunter to piece my skin :P.
You are a member here. Your view counts as much as anybody else's, including mine, Mark's, Barry's, Broocie's, Kevin's and James'. So stop arse licking :P, and post 'em up :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, funniest thing I read on here for ages and I'm sure Sir Tig and Capt Zok would agree. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Sorry TB I intended no kind of criticism and I didn't mean to infer that if some kind of poll were posted that my views wouldn't count,just that the admin team set the rules[as far as I'm aware] and a very good and fair job they make of it too.As for distinctions in sale/wanted ads that is the sort of thing I know nothing about but your explanation has made it clearer for me.
None taken, you'd have to be far blunter to piece my skin :P.
You are a member here. Your view counts as much as anybody else's, including mine, Mark's, Barry's, Broocie's, Kevin's and James'. So stop arse licking :P, and post 'em up :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, funniest thing I read on here for ages and I'm sure Sir Tig and Capt Zok would agree. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Ex Sir Tig...... ::) ;D
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Well, I mentioned having a discussion and that certainly seems to have happened.Five pages of it so far. :)
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Sorry TB I intended no kind of criticism and I didn't mean to infer that if some kind of poll were posted that my views wouldn't count,just that the admin team set the rules[as far as I'm aware] and a very good and fair job they make of it too.As for distinctions in sale/wanted ads that is the sort of thing I know nothing about but your explanation has made it clearer for me.
None taken, you'd have to be far blunter to piece my skin :P.
You are a member here. Your view counts as much as anybody else's, including mine, Mark's, Barry's, Broocie's, Kevin's and James'. So stop arse licking :P, and post 'em up :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry, funniest thing I read on here for ages and I'm sure Sir Tig and Capt Zok would agree. ::) ::) ::) ::)
You were blunter :P
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Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Its for the safety of members that the criteria cannot be published.
Members seem to presume, or is it just me, that they will have some sort of input.
They would, just not in the final decision on if they are included (as they won't know the criteria)
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Well, I mentioned having a discussion and that certainly seems to have happened.Five pages of it so far. :)
Only a few hundred more posts to go for you ;D :y
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Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Its for the safety of members that the criteria cannot be published.
Here come the men in black *clap clap* galaxy defen.... ;D
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Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Its for the safety of members that the criteria cannot be published.
Here come the men in black *clap clap* galaxy defen.... ;D
See. Trust. Gone already ;D
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Another valid point. Recommended sellers desperately needs looking at. We could never get it to work in the way we envisaged. To the point, there was a discussion to remove it entirely.
Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Members seem to presume, or is it just me, that they will have some sort of input. If that's not the case, then can we separate the issue?
Ignoring recomended suppliers, for a minute, I think there's grounds for recomended parts section. There would need to be a structure on pricing. I guess? Like on tyres with top end, mid range and budget where available. Etc
But it would save people a lot of money having the latest info, such as idlers, on a particular part to hand. If a part goes tats up, then we need to know. Such as lemforders idlers. GM only now.
Can I draw attention to this again..?
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My observation - the OP couldn't have picked a topic more likely to provoke intense discussion on here! Good call, I say! :)
I'd say potentially...
1. '250 minimum selling posts - stupid or good idea?'
2. 'I have excessive inner wear on my front tyres - what's wrong?'
3. 'Is there a God? And is he a Ford or a Vauxhall man?'
4. 'What are 'Poly bushes' and is it worth fitting them - I say just get the cheapest wishbones you can'
5. 'Omega C'
...are the 'top 5' that get plenty foaming at the mouth :y
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My observation - the OP couldn't have picked a topic more likely to provoke intense discussion on here! Good call, I say! :)
I'd say potentially...
1. '250 minimum selling posts - stupid or good idea?'
2. 'I have excessive inner wear on my front tyres - what's wrong?'
3. 'Is there a God? And is he a Ford or a Vauxhall man?'
4. 'What are 'Poly bushes' and is it worth fitting them - I say just get the cheapest wishbones you can'
5. 'Omega C'
...are the 'top 5' that get plenty foaming at the mouth :y
Surely you missed out .... which oil do I use? ::) ::)
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Here's a clue which oil God uses...
"He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." (look it up :y)
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Another valid point. Recommended sellers desperately needs looking at. We could never get it to work in the way we envisaged. To the point, there was a discussion to remove it entirely.
Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Members seem to presume, or is it just me, that they will have some sort of input. If that's not the case, then can we separate the issue?
Ignoring recomended suppliers, for a minute, I think there's grounds for recomended parts section. There would need to be a structure on pricing. I guess? Like on tyres with top end, mid range and budget where available. Etc
But it would save people a lot of money having the latest info, such as idlers, on a particular part to hand. If a part goes tats up, then we need to know. Such as lemforders idlers. GM only now.
Can I draw attention to this again..?
Why? You've made you point. Let somebody else have a go. Then all views can be taken into consideration :)
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My turn to have some input.
I don't give a shite, do as you like. :y
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I don't think its worth the up keep, we all have different needs.
One mans budget tyre, is another's premium.
The forum is not nearly as active as it once was, I personally don't see the point in creating it.
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Another valid point. Recommended sellers desperately needs looking at. We could never get it to work in the way we envisaged. To the point, there was a discussion to remove it entirely.
Ok, we're talking at cross purposes by the looks. By that I mean, admin are looking at a private criteria, or whatever you want to call it.
Members seem to presume, or is it just me, that they will have some sort of input. If that's not the case, then can we separate the issue?
Ignoring recomended suppliers, for a minute, I think there's grounds for recomended parts section. There would need to be a structure on pricing. I guess? Like on tyres with top end, mid range and budget where available. Etc
But it would save people a lot of money having the latest info, such as idlers, on a particular part to hand. If a part goes tats up, then we need to know. Such as lemforders idlers. GM only now.
Can I draw attention to this again..?
Why? You've made you point. Let somebody else have a go. Then all views can be taken into consideration :)
Because you asked for opinions and have commented on everything else except. Well you did ask. :)
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I don't think its worth the up keep, we all have different needs.
One mans budget tyre, is another's premium.
The forum is not nearly as active as it once was, I personally don't see the point in creating it.
1. Somebody elses' needs might warrant the up keep, even if yours don't...
2. True enough, but plenty of other tyre threads deal with that particular conundrum.
3. People move on, both in cars and in life generally. Sure, it's easy to blame sniping/terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired/playground bitchiness etc as the cause, but the reality is that people have other things going on and times change... getting married and having babies for example... ::)
This forum, as an Omega B based resource, isn't about any one person, but a free to access/use encylopedia of information and knowledge that is invaluable to Omega/Catera owners across the globe, and to not have a current guide to various parts could be argued as a serious omission... especially as decent or cost effective parts get harder to source :-\
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I agree with Tunnie, the workload that a Recommended Parts Section would create would be tremendous, almost a full time job I'd say. :-\
I think the Admins have enough on their plate keeping this place going as it is and do a great job! :y
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
It strikes me that you have benefited massively from experience and guidance on what parts to use and where to obtain them (either shared openly on the forum or first hand from the admins) - it seems a bit selfish to not share that knowledge with future naive Omega owners.
Clearly there are some caveats
- OOF needs to include disclaimers in any advice given
- The owner profile is changing - A few years ago a sizeable minority of members were driving £10K cars and paying main dealers to 'service' them. Now the newest cars are 13 years old and worth pocket money either owned by enthusiasts or 'cost conscious' (tight fisted) owners. The enthusiasts are happy to fit the best parts, the cost conscious will fit pattern every time.
Maybe recommended threads should be set up as polls. If you see a recommendation you don't agree with you would then get a chance to flag it without getting lost on page 23 of the comments?
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
It strikes me that you have benefited massively from experience and guidance on what parts to use and where to obtain them (either shared openly on the forum or first hand from the admins) - it seems a bit selfish to not share that knowledge with future naive Omega owners.
Clearly there are some caveats
- OOF needs to include disclaimers in any advice given
- The owner profile is changing - A few years ago a sizeable minority of members were driving £10K cars and paying main dealers to 'service' them. Now the newest cars are 13 years old and worth pocket money either owned by enthusiasts or 'cost conscious' (tight fisted) owners. The enthusiasts are happy to fit the best parts, the cost conscious will fit pattern every time.
Maybe recommended threads should be set up as polls. If you see a recommendation you don't agree with you would then get a chance to flag it without getting lost on page 23 of the comments?
But it's shared all the time? Not sure how it's not being shared? Or how I'm personally restricting it? :-\ :-\
If someone posts up asking about New Shocks, Belt, tyres ect, everyone gives their opinion, including me. It's all there in a single thread, people recommend various elements, some dating back from when OOF was founded. Eg cam sensors being GM only, to new stuff where we suggest some parts on test, or more recently success stories such as Meyle?
That's how the forums work, I personally don't see the point in another big list that needs to be maintained and discussed about what goes in it.
Just put your thoughts/opinion into a newbie or long standing members thread, job done. Why create more work/effort/maintenance?
OOF has been around for what, nearly 10 years now? When I first bought my 2.2 in 2005, it's never been dealer serviced. So I don't think the approach to parts has changed that much, if at-all. Just best value for money, which has always been the case for any recommendation.
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
Thats what i was Asking a few weeks ago on another thread comparing it to Driving like miss daisy & Colin Mcrae :y
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
Thats what i was Asking a few weeks ago on another thread comparing it to Driving like miss daisy & Colin Mcrae :y
Exactly :y
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I agree with Tunnie, the workload that a Recommended Parts Section would create would be tremendous, almost a full time job I'd say. :-\
I think the Admins have enough on their plate keeping this place going as it is and do a great job! :y
Which is exactly why I pushed TB for an answer.
Woutjout sticking my nose in where it's no business being, some new interest is possibly needed.
But ultimately a development process has been in place since oof started. What important is that experiences are exchanged, and solutions found.
Take exhausts. I found the TV ones where poor. Posted up, James had a solution with eternal. It's a natural process.
All I'm asking is the latest thinking be recorded in a more accessible place. Especially as there is a section sat doing nout already.
But yes it will take some work. Hence asking TB directly. I guess the he doesn't want to give a positive answer so is saying nothing. Perhaps. But whatever :)
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I'm below the 250 posts required, and if I have a useful comment on the help section - invariably I find that someone has beaten me to reply (usually in a more knowledgebly manner, (becos am iggerant)) , but the guides are excellent varying from stripdown to normal servicing niggle. so in conclusion OOF is one of the best , but sadly omegas are dying off, and I still haven't got around to swapping engine from my tourer into my FL CDX - basically it still passes mot ( but has 1.4 corsa"s plates on back)
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Although by "work" I don't mean admin writing out acres of text, I envisaged just moving the odd thread as Jimbob does now, once offered up in test zone.
It will need an index, and grading from eBay shite to GM rip off, but grading would need to be part of the criteria for members to stick to on the back of a thread if there's more than one option....
....but I'd guess an index is a lot easier to organise from scratch with half a dozen threads to start things rolling, than it was to sort out the FAQ and maintenance sections as Jimbob did, when there's over 100 threads to sift and sort out. Bugger that ;D
Perhaps then a link in the guide,? Links posted in test zone for Jimbob or admin to move and ad to the guides well.
Or, of admin can't be arsed, open a moderator only account and allow trusted member/s to do the work. IF software allows of course. Close account once most of the work is done.
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Also what becomes a reccomended part? Who makes the call? 100 people giving feed back, 10,000 miles covered? By who? Does one persons good feed back warrent it to be "reccomended"?
Driving styles can take very different tolls on parts. One mans good part is another mans ebay crap.
No doubt create lots of discussions of why XYZ part is not recommended. Person A says its good. Person B says don't bother, failed in 500 miles.
Some may have bad experience of said part, others good.
Personally I think it is a can of worms, best kept shut.
It strikes me that you have benefited massively from experience and guidance on what parts to use and where to obtain them (either shared openly on the forum or first hand from the admins) - it seems a bit selfish to not share that knowledge with future naive Omega owners.
Clearly there are some caveats
- OOF needs to include disclaimers in any advice given
- The owner profile is changing - A few years ago a sizeable minority of members were driving £10K cars and paying main dealers to 'service' them. Now the newest cars are 13 years old and worth pocket money either owned by enthusiasts or 'cost conscious' (tight fisted) owners. The enthusiasts are happy to fit the best parts, the cost conscious will fit pattern every time.
Maybe recommended threads should be set up as polls. If you see a recommendation you don't agree with you would then get a chance to flag it without getting lost on page 23 of the comments?
But it's shared all the time? Not sure how it's not being shared? Or how I'm personally restricting it? :-\ :-\
If someone posts up asking about New Shocks, Belt, tyres ect, everyone gives their opinion, including me. It's all there in a single thread, people recommend various elements, some dating back from when OOF was founded. Eg cam sensors being GM only, to new stuff where we suggest some parts on test, or more recently success stories such as Meyle?
That's how the forums work, I personally don't see the point in another big list that needs to be maintained and discussed about what goes in it.
Just put your thoughts/opinion into a newbie or long standing members thread, job done. Why create more work/effort/maintenance?
OOF has been around for what, nearly 10 years now? When I first bought my 2.2 in 2005, it's never been dealer serviced. So I don't think the approach to parts has changed that much, if at-all. Just best value for money, which has always been the case for any recommendation.
What you forget is, TB is always moaning/threatening/joking delete as applicable, that oof is in decline and it will be closed to members one day and the site left up as a resource.
IF that ever happened, or happens, we might want to consider getting something on place before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members. If nothing else of will eliminate an area of constant inane debate about which part is best. You notice tyre threads are thinner in the ground since they have been sifted through with recommendations and a minimum criteria of what's acceptable.
You yourself moaned like hell at Dtm's recommendation on kyb springs. They simply aren't that bad, BUT if something like this had been in place to start with you may not of payed out on them in the first place.
It may also take away a reason for some to have something to moan about. ::) but then they'd moan they had nothing to moan about ;D
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I see a fix.
Admins deal with what they do now. No change.
Gixer is very keen to let members know what are the best / cost effective parts for the omega. Very good of him Iin my opinion. Give Gixer the running of this section. He owns the recommended parts section and is responsible for what goes in.
Job jobbed
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before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members.
There are 4 owners, so if one "strops off", the other 3 can still run it.
As to no comments from me, I'm purposely keeping quiet, as I don't want to influence anything.
What parts are best for Omegas isn't really part of a Recommended Sellers section, or about the original post, but happy to have a ponder about it as a separate thing.
So back on topic... ?
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before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members.
There are 4 owners, so if one "strops off", the other 3 can still run it.
As to no comments from me, I'm purposely keeping quiet, as I don't want to influence anything.
What parts are best for Omegas isn't really part of a Recommended Sellers section, or about the original post, but happy to have a ponder about it as a separate thing.
So back on topic... ?
Ok 86900 posts.. Take it you have never chucked the toys out of the pram ;D ;D ;D
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before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members.
There are 4 owners, so if one "strops off", the other 3 can still run it.
As to no comments from me, I'm purposely keeping quiet, as I don't want to influence anything.
What parts are best for Omegas isn't really part of a Recommended Sellers section, or about the original post, but happy to have a ponder about it as a separate thing.
So back on topic... ?
Ok 86900 posts.. Take it you have never chucked the toys out of the pram ;D ;D ;D
I try to act like a grown up. Sometimes. :P
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before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members.
There are 4 owners, so if one "strops off", the other 3 can still run it.
As to no comments from me, I'm purposely keeping quiet, as I don't want to influence anything.
What parts are best for Omegas isn't really part of a Recommended Sellers section, or about the original post, but happy to have a ponder about it as a separate thing.
So back on topic... ?
Aye? I thought you said recommended isn't happening? Offered no further to a solution so we ended up at cross purposes, with an alternative offered.
Surely recommended parts leads to a supplier ? ....of said parts...? (Gixer throws hands in air ;D )
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Gixer for rec. parts leader. Haven't felt this strongly since morrisons stopped selling my fave brand of peanut butter
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Gixer for rec. parts leader. Haven't felt this strongly since morrisons stopped selling my fave brand of peanut butter
That is one of the most hilarious and yet simultaneously quite sad things I've read in a long time ;D ;D
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We all know the advice given on here is good,and well founded with years,of trail and effort,the same goes for what parts are going to last the longest,but some members have found that for,there budget,at the time of repair a cheaper alternative is needed, so they take the cheaper route, post there findings,what they have done,only to be,greeted with,abuse and offensive posting,
yes an advised list of recommended frequently changed parts is a great idea,but remember people will still buy on initial price not longevity,. :)
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We all know the advice given on here is good,and well founded with years,of trail and effort,the same goes for what parts are going to last the longest,but some members have found that for,there budget,at the time of repair a cheaper alternative is needed, so they take the cheaper route, post there findings,what they have done,only to be,greeted with,abuse and offensive posting,
yes an advised list of recommended frequently changed parts is a great idea,but remember people will still buy on initial price not longevity,. :)
As said , it will need to be graded, as in costs. As with tyres,as in
Budget
Mid range
Premium
Where applicable. Type of thing. See?
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The thing to avoid is;
Op, I need a good wheel bearing.
Member, here's one. "Link to conti direct bearing for £35 posted up"
Op, thanks that's really cheap :y
3 months later op posts again. My wheel bearing has failed, £35 peshed up the wall and I've got to do the whole job again. Thanks very much oof member.
Another member posts up. Yes those bearings are shite, you should of been given this link for fag bearings for £50. I know these to be quality bearings. Currently on the car for x miles and xyears etc.
In other words, a known quantity. This is a real situation happened on oof by the way. And "good" obviously doesn't mean so cheap it fails in short order. :)
And Bear. Your a nutter. ;D ;)
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Could we not have a readers wives / girlfriends section and Lord Opti could be the administrator?
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Could we not have a readers wives / girlfriends section and Lord Opti could be the administrator?
An excellent Idea......................... :D :D ;)
What section do you suggest for STMO to be an admin?............... ;) ;)
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Dunelm quality tester.
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Dunelm quality tester.
Yes, Mattress Protector Tester, both ends.............. ;D ;D :y
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STMO can be the chief advisor and admin for when OOF members want a car other than an Omega, he can pick the ideal make, model, engine, trim level and of course most importantly the colour. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Apparently, metallic puke green is the must have colour in all the top fashion circles in downtown Wakefield at the moment. :o :o :o :o
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STMO can be the chief advisor and admin for when OOF members want a car other than an Omega, he can pick the ideal make, model, engine, trim level and of course most importantly the colour. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Apparently, metallic puke green is the must have colour in all the top fashion circles in downtown Wakefield at the moment. :o :o :o :o
I thought he got kicked out of Wakefield and understood he's currently hiding out near Barnsley.... :-\ ::) ;D
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I haven't got time for any of that. Too busy with pm's and my webcam. Thanks for thinking of me, though. :y
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The thing to avoid is;
Op, I need a good wheel bearing.
Member, here's one. "Link to conti direct bearing for £35 posted up"
Op, thanks that's really cheap
3 months later op posts again. My wheel bearing has failed, £35 peshed up the wall and I've got to do the whole job again. Thanks very much oof member.
.and that`s where the problems start. Personally had 2 Conti front bearings fitted to one of mine, two years later prior to selling the Omega, bearings were still good
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The thing to avoid is;
Op, I need a good wheel bearing.
Member, here's one. "Link to conti direct bearing for £35 posted up"
Op, thanks that's really cheap
3 months later op posts again. My wheel bearing has failed, £35 peshed up the wall and I've got to do the whole job again. Thanks very much oof member.
.and that`s where the problems start. Personally had 2 Conti front bearings fitted to one of mine, two years later prior to selling the Omega, bearings were still good
Exactly, makes a mockery of "recommended" parts.
Best off each member giving an opinion, (as we all do now) then it's up to OP to make a choice. Rather than read a list and think it's the best choice.
In the future, people can still search and find these discussions. So useful if OOF ever becomes just a resource/knowledge point with no activity.
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Three bearings in a row, all shagged in three months. Would you fit them with that info?
I dare say there are a few people rolling around with Tc exhausts and kyb springs that are quite happy. Point is there's better available.
And if a thread on the subject is posted with it the member can make an informed decision without the saaame old arguments about eBay shite being better than genuine etc. each time somebody asks about a part. terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;D
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Doubt any recommendations thread will be as long as this one.
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I haven't got time for any of that. Too busy with pm's and my webcam. Thanks for thinking of me, though. :y
Anybody picturing STMO with a webcam and an immediate application of brain bleach will be required. :o :o :o :o
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Perhaps at issue is the for instance...
Newbie: Hi guys, I have lots of wear on the inner edges of my front tyres. My mechanic mates reckons the subframe is bent. What is it?
OOF 1: terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! it's your wishbones
OOF 2: Jesus, not another!
OOF 3: haha. What a moron, he doesn't know anything!
OOF 1: haha, yeah. Jesus. This guy knows nothing! Oh, how the kids, by the way OOF3?
OOF 3: yeah, not too bad thanks. Seeing you at Billing this year?
OOF 5: Hi, sorry to hijack this thread when is Billing this year?
OOF 2: Sick of all these wishbone bush threads.
Newbie: Um... sorry, 'wishbones bush'. That's on the suspension, right? Sorry I'm not very knowledgeable about cars. Erm don't massively appreciate being called stupid.
OOF 3: 11-12th Julaugustemberary. Jesus, what a moron. Lighten up!
OOF 1: Yeah, will be, got the time off work now, so all's fine. Will bring that V6 ABS ECU and the LSCs & the GM VOF93s, too.
OOF 2: OP read the guide.
Newbie: Right. Erm... thanks?
A slight exaggeration, I know, but point valid from both sides:
-'Seasoned' OOFers have had to answer a thread about inner tyre wear... what 'TC' is... how you have to use genuine GM crank sensors... and a dozen other common questions a hundred times, so some 'idiot newbie' appearing with the same tired old questions could be felt as repetitive.
-On the flip side, someone new has posed what the thought was a perfectly valid question, and been abused and ignored and not really given a straight answer.
That's not to say that ...
a) there aren't newbies who are just trying to flog their car for free, are keyboard warriors themselves, or actually a complete idiot for real.
b) by and large 99% on here aren't helpful, intelligent, knowledgeable, polite and decent, because they are
c) if you're new to the site, or any, it takes a while to get the hang of it/where things are etc.. and inevitably, you'll ask a question that has been posed before, and that's understandable
Potentially, a single resource that's freely editable, like Wikipedia could work. The recent tyre thread was a hugely useful one, irrespective of it being started on a certain amount of personal opinion, it was still 85%-95% of the way there as regards what are 'worth getting' and 'not worth getting' rubber, which is what any of us really want. It can be a trial hunting around for the right part, and finding you've just paid over the odds, or bought cheap rubbish is annoying. No-one wants to ask the admins to give up the last remaining OOF-free 8 minutes of their lives a week to making a dedicated section for this, and the ensuing bloodbath over what is the best tyre/fuel/oils/paint/exhausts/wishbones. And to be fair, they shouldn't have to, I agree.
I think an overall 'command decision' made by the admins, once something has reached a certain level of prominence or usage, let's say for instance polybushes. Safe to say we can, en masse recommend these. It'd just be a case of making a new section called 'OOF Recommended Parts" a thread entitled 'SUSPENSION-front-Poly bushes' and adding a post "Polybushes, [then a description of what they are, what they do, then the prices] £49.95 best price from ABC Suspension, Faketown, Fakeshire"
I pose this only as a suggestion only :)
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I haven't got time for any of that. Too busy with pm's and my webcam. Thanks for thinking of me, though. :y
Anybody picturing STMO with a webcam and an immediate application of brain bleach will be required. :o :o :o :o
:o :D :D
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OOF 1: terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! it's your wishbones
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;D ;D
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Some modification has been made by mods, I suspect :y
its original language was a couple of shades brighter!
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Some modification has been made by mods, I suspect :y
its original language was a couple of shades brighter!
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
Y A w N
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Doubt any recommendations thread will be as long as this one.
....stop drivelling all over it then. :) ;D :P
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Doubt any recommendations thread will be as long as this one.
....stop drivelling all over it then. :) ;D :P
It's in gen diss.........I'm entitled to post...... :P
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before he strops off permanently ;D closes the site members.
There are 4 owners, so if one "strops off", the other 3 can still run it.
As to no comments from me, I'm purposely keeping quiet, as I don't want to influence anything.
What parts are best for Omegas isn't really part of a Recommended Sellers section, or about the original post, but happy to have a ponder about it as a separate thing.
So back on topic... ?
Aye? I thought you said recommended isn't happening? Offered no further to a solution so we ended up at cross purposes, with an alternative offered.
Surely recommended parts leads to a supplier ? ....of said parts...? (Gixer throws hands in air ;D )
No, not really.
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Oh I see, the content matters not, as long as it's a negative reply. Understood. :)
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In response to DBGs post... When you sign up you check a box to say that you have read and understand the rules.
Which iirc contains a suggestion about reading through the FAQ and maintenance guides before posting in Omega help... ::)
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In response to DBGs post... When you sign up you check a box to say that you have read and understand the rules.
Which iirc contains a suggestion about reading through the FAQ and maintenance guides before posting in Omega help... ::)
That dosn't excuse sarcasm though. :P
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Says he with a straight face ;D
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Says he with a straight face ;D
Pokerface! :-X
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Oh I see, the content matters not, as long as it's a negative reply. Understood. :)
No don't be silly, although I do agree with your comment.
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OOF 1: terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!
???
;D ;D
Pops up quite a lot as an excuse. :y
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In response to Taxi Al / Telemacher indeed yes. It is, of course fair that the forum remains static, without any change whatsoever, like Windsor Caste or The Pyramids. Some things change, some things don't. The Autobahnstormers, for instance, constantly evolving, allowing newer cars in.
However, when you're born into this country, and you are by birthright, a citizen of Great Britain, you have effectively 'checked the box' saying you agree with the terms and conditions of the land. Doesn't mean to say you can't go to Uni, study Law, and one day become an MP to lobby for improvements to the said Law of the Land, surely? Simply because something is a certain way now cannot be a reason alone for keeping it that way. As said, I offer that as a suggestion only. And if, after debate (which is the very essence of the forum, and long may it reign :)) we decide 'nah, daft idea, let OOF remain the same, I'm well up for that :)
Personally - and I'll say it again - I'm very happy with how the site's run, find it great for me, and long may it continue. I simply observe that the OP makes a suggestion, and playing Devil's advocate, I offered a solution for evolution. I'm not massively fussed if the site alters or not, to be honest, as I say, like it as is. Simply I would not have a beautiful 1996 2.5 V6 CDX in Diamond Black working up the drive were it not for this forum, and for that I shall be eternally grateful to the forum and all who have aided in that. :y
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OOF 1: terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired!
???
;D ;D
Pops up quite a lot as an excuse. :y
In response to this, I shall continue the theme...
oooh errr missus.
Matron.
Don't panic!
Oooh, you are awful but I like you
Went to the Doctors for an injection. I felt a little prick, and then he jabbed a needle in me.
:D
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Is this thread still running......so many comments about post count required for selling?
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In response to Taxi Al / Telemacher indeed yes. It is, of course fair that the forum remains static, without any change whatsoever, like Windsor Caste or The Pyramids. Some things change, some things don't. The Autobahnstormers, for instance, constantly evolving, allowing newer cars in.
However, when you're born into this country, and you are by birthright, a citizen of Great Britain, you have effectively 'checked the box' saying you agree with the terms and conditions of the land. Doesn't mean to say you can't go to Uni, study Law, and one day become an MP to lobby for improvements to the said Law of the Land, surely? Simply because something is a certain way now cannot be a reason alone for keeping it that way. As said, I offer that as a suggestion only. And if, after debate (which is the very essence of the forum, and long may it reign :)) we decide 'nah, daft idea, let OOF remain the same, I'm well up for that :)
Personally - and I'll say it again - I'm very happy with how the site's run, find it great for me, and long may it continue. I simply observe that the OP makes a suggestion, and playing Devil's advocate, I offered a solution for evolution. I'm not massively fussed if the site alters or not, to be honest, as I say, like it as is. Simply I would not have a beautiful 1996 2.5 V6 CDX in Diamond Black working up the drive were it not for this forum, and for that I shall be eternally grateful to the forum and all who have aided in that. :y
Bad analogy...
OOF isn't a democracy...
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
Yup ;)
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
Yup ;)
What? Like in the title of the thread you mean? ;D
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Well bugger me backwards :o
I never noticed that... ::) :P
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My take on the 250 posts rule ..............
Leave it as it is but with admin discretion if for instance, the car / member is known to established members or maybe if a newbie or junior has had work carried out on the vehicle by established members and can vouch for that person / condition of the car.
My take on parts recommendations ...............
A permanent section would end up as a bitching, dick waving free for all of which we have enough of that shite already so 'dangle berries', I say no chance.
If somebody posts a request for a recommendation on a certain part, anybody can give there opinion but it is no way endorsed by the forum.
Again, if it turns into a bitch fight, admin gives one warning then just delete the post and ban the perpetrators for 7 days until members learn to keep there zip up / behave themselves :D
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
Yup ;)
What? Like in the title of the thread you mean? ;D
No. The thread title is about the fact that members cannot post for sale adverts until they have accrued at least 250 posts.
I didn't realise until today, that members with less than 250 posts, apparently also cant post replies in for sale threads.
I fail to understand the reasoning behind that tbh. :-\
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Why dont you start your own forum,and do what you want :y
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Gixer for RPS leader!!!
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
Yup ;)
What? Like in the title of the thread you mean? ;D
No. The thread title is about the fact that members cannot post for sale adverts until they have accrued at least 250 posts.
I didn't realise until today, that members with less than 250 posts, apparently also cant post replies in for sale threads.
I fail to understand the reasoning behind that tbh. :-\
Because......Einstein......if you could post a reply, you could post a for sale..... ;D
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Gixer for RPS leader!!!
Although having said that I need a water pump recommendation and he's not online.
Strike 1!!!!!
;D
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The postcount is the Sales access filter... Buying or selling ::)
A solution could be to remove the parts limit altogether and raise the complete car limit to say £500...
Anyone posting anything along the lines of. Whole car available for £x in the parts section gets nuked :D
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If anyone wants to sell something and has less than 250 posts, I am open to offers. Say....75% of the selling price. :y
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i can't see anything wrong with how it is, please briefly explain why it needs to change? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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The 250 rule has worked well thus-far, the peoples who seem to protest the most,are new members who's only intrest in the forum is to sell there car and not take part in forum life. :y
It ain't broke don't fix it.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
You can't advertise anything on here ;D
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
You can't advertise anything on here ;D
Oh I don't know, you seem to advertise certain aspects of your life well enough. ;) ;D
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Why dont you start your own forum,and do what you want :y
Please go to page two of this thread and read my reply to your previous post.
I don't care how many posts are required to sell cars or parts on here. I have no interest on selling things on here. Im not asking for the rules to be changed. Personally I don't care one way or the other.
I simply thought it might be something worth discussing. No more or less than that.
It succeeded, as the thread now runs to 10 pages (a rare thing on OOF), and most people (you being a very notable exception) have actually read the thread and had had some constructive input to offer.
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
You can't advertise anything on here ;D
Oh I don't know, you seem to advertise certain aspects of your life well enough. ;) ;D
I don't mean anybody you, I mean you you. Not enough posts, you see. ;D
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Why dont you start your own forum,and do what you want :y
Please go to page two of this thread and read my reply to your previous post.
I don't care how many posts are required to sell cars or parts on here. I have no interest on selling things on here. Im not asking for the rules to be changed. Personally I don't care one way or the other.
I simply thought it might be something worth discussing. No more or less than that.
It succeeded, as the thread now runs to 10 pages (a rare thing on OOF), and most people (you being a very notable exception) have actually read the thread and had had some constructive input to offer.
Oi! Don't accuse me of constructive input, I've a reputation to uphold. ;D
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And it shouldn't change... 250 posts is easy to rack up
Yep. And you can lose thousands in just a second. ;D
I don't think you can advertise Flemmy Green Astras on here. :-\ ;D
You can't advertise anything on here ;D
Oh I don't know, you seem to advertise certain aspects of your life well enough. ;) ;D
I don't mean anybody you, I mean you you. Not enough posts, you see. ;D
That's OK, I've got nothing I'd like to advertise here. Omega or otherwise. ::) :y
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Veering back slightly towards the original topic - I was going to post a reply on a for sale thread yesterday, but was surprised to find I don't have that option. Is that also due to a certain number of posts being required ? :-\
Yup ;)
What? Like in the title of the thread you mean? ;D
No. The thread title is about the fact that members cannot post for sale adverts until they have accrued at least 250 posts.
I didn't realise until today, that members with less than 250 posts, apparently also cant post replies in for sale threads.
I fail to understand the reasoning behind that tbh. :-\
Dont think it intended that way its just the way the system works.. You can buy parts by sending the seller a PM.And you are able to do a wanted Ad in the Test Zone And admin will move it to the Car Parts, bits For Sale & Wanted. :y
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That makes sense. Thanks. :y
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The 250 to reply was to stop the major problem of anyone replying to a thread saying Ive got one of those for £xx
to use that section you need 250 posts, or be the topic starter (ie started in test for wanted, then moved, if under 250 posts)
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As Jimbob says, anybody who has 250 posts or more can start and reply to a thread in the for sale sections
Anybody with less than 250 posts can reply to their thread only in the for sale sections
(all assuming you're not currently banned)
This is by design, following experiences earlier in the life of OOF.
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Leave it as it is but with admin discretion if for instance, the car / member is known to established members or maybe if a newbie or junior has had work carried out on the vehicle by established members and can vouch for that person / condition of the car.
I certainly would not be backing that if it came to a vote. Leaves the gate wide open for corruption (very unlikely with the current Admin Team, IMHO) or accusation of corruption.
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OOF isn't a democracy...
Depends on your definition.
Its not a free-for-all democracy, and not a dictatorship. Its probably somewhere in the middle, much nearer the democratic end.
I know some/one vocal member(s) think there is one dictator in the Admin Team, me, that controls everything, and the other members of the Admin Team obey as if they have no mind of their own. That is complete, utter 'dangle berries'. Every decision (worthy of a discussion) is put to a vote within the Admin Team.
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Leave it as it is but with admin discretion if for instance, the car / member is known to established members or maybe if a newbie or junior has had work carried out on the vehicle by established members and can vouch for that person / condition of the car.
I certainly would not be backing that if it came to a vote. Leaves the gate wide open for corruption (very unlikely with the current Admin Team, IMHO) or accusation of corruption.
Understand what your saying TB but at the end of the day, any members who care to use the forum have to have a element of trust in admin. If they can't trust admin then what are they doing here ?
Its not like they have paid a subscription :)
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Leave it as it is but with admin discretion if for instance, the car / member is known to established members or maybe if a newbie or junior has had work carried out on the vehicle by established members and can vouch for that person / condition of the car.
I certainly would not be backing that if it came to a vote. Leaves the gate wide open for corruption (very unlikely with the current Admin Team, IMHO) or accusation of corruption.
Understand what your saying TB but at the end of the day, any members who care to use the forum have to have a element of trust in admin. If they can't trust admin then what are they doing here ?
Its not like they have paid a subscription :)
You'd like to think so, but I've certainly had heavy hints of accusation that I get back-handers from those buisnesses we do let advertise on here >:(
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Ouch. >:( Totally unacceptable.
As you say TB, any recommendation immediately draws suggestion that it's not an independently-drawn conclusion. Sad. :(
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
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:D ;D :D
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
And the FBI have Marks DTM in a bollock vice, and he's squealing like a piggy ;D
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
And the FBI have Marks DTM in a bollock vice, and he's squealing like a piggy ;D
I thought that was Daz, every other weekend?
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
I'm surprised, I thought it Putin direct and now found out it is via FIFA. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
I'm surprised, I thought it Putin direct and now found out it is via FIFA. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Didn't you know that the CIA thought that OOF's servers were located in the garage! :o ;D
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
I'm surprised, I thought it Putin direct and now found out it is via FIFA. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Didn't you know that the CIA thought that OOF's servers were located in the garage! :o ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
I'm surprised, I thought it Putin direct and now found out it is via FIFA. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Didn't you know that the CIA thought that OOF's servers were located in the garage! :o ;D
Some people enjoy those tedious CAPTCHA questions when they post....
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Yes, OOF has been funded by Fifa for some years now
I'm surprised, I thought it Putin direct and now found out it is via FIFA. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Didn't you know that the CIA thought that OOF's servers were located in the garage! :o ;D
Some people enjoy those tedious CAPTCHA questions when they post....
:P
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Leave it as it is but with admin discretion if for instance, the car / member is known to established members or maybe if a newbie or junior has had work carried out on the vehicle by established members and can vouch for that person / condition of the car.
I certainly would not be backing that if it came to a vote. Leaves the gate wide open for corruption (very unlikely with the current Admin Team, IMHO) or accusation of corruption.
Understand what your saying TB but at the end of the day, any members who care to use the forum have to have a element of trust in admin. If they can't trust admin then what are they doing here ?
Its not like they have paid a subscription :)
You'd like to think so, but I've certainly had heavy hints of accusation that I get back-handers from those buisnesses we do let advertise on here >:(
;D
....wanna borrow my anti hen pecking hat Sepp? ;D
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Oh dear, here we go again ::)
Try applying some of this to your privates Chris :y
(http://images.medscape.com/pi/features/drugdirectory/octupdate/COM00031.jpg)
Apparently it very good for the relief of irritating @wat's :P :-* :-* ;D
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Ah! An expert in the area I see. :P ;D