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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 June 2015, 11:43:15
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Let's see if it does what it says on the tin, or if it's just expensive snake oil. :)
Should be interesting....
(http://tinyurl.com/n9ftqz6)
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There goes the gearbox. ;D
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Yummy! :D
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Is the rich Lord spending his insurance pennies?
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Specs Original Increase
Horse Power 226 bhp 59 bhp
Torque 330 nm 92 nm
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Specs Original Increase
Horse Power 226 bhp 59 bhp
Torque 330 nm 92 nm
Through the front wheels.
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Specs Original Increase
Horse Power 226 bhp 59 bhp
Torque 330 nm 92 nm
Through the front wheels.
Oh yeah (http://www.asianconnection71.com/hscratch2)
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Seen this on eBay the other day while browsing, looks like someone has bought one an all.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=181300932101&globalID=EBAY-GB
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Hows it work then? Do you buy a map for each individual car you want, or is it preloaded with yours?
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Four maps so far and none of them satisfactory. :-\
Map 1....Way too brutal, cars stutters under load. Gearbox all over the place with car running two gears lower than it should. Torque steer horrendous.
Map 2...Car runs smoothly but acceleration no better than standard as verified by Racelogic performance box. Zero to 60 MPH 6.6 seconds.
Map 3....Much like map 2. Smooth but performance no better than stock.
Map 4.....Much like map 1. Very quick with terminal torque steer. Car a real pig to drive and went into 'limp mode' after a few miles. :-\
Maybe 250 BHP through the front wheels is the limit.
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To be honest I think you can have more torque than is good for the car.
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Four maps so far and none of them satisfactory. :-\
Map 1....Way too brutal, cars stutters under load. Gearbox all over the place with car running two gears lower than it should. Torque steer horrendous.
Map 2...Car runs smoothly but acceleration no better than standard as verified by Racelogic performance box. Zero to 60 MPH 6.6 seconds.
Map 3....Much like map 2. Smooth but performance no better than stock.
Map 4.....Much like map 1. Very quick with terminal torque steer. Car a real pig to drive and went into 'limp mode' after a few miles. :-\
Maybe 250 BHP through the front wheels is the limit.
Can you get your money back?
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Four maps so far and none of them satisfactory. :-\
Map 1....Way too brutal, cars stutters under load. Gearbox all over the place with car running two gears lower than it should. Torque steer horrendous.
Map 2...Car runs smoothly but acceleration no better than standard as verified by Racelogic performance box. Zero to 60 MPH 6.6 seconds.
Map 3....Much like map 2. Smooth but performance no better than stock.
Map 4.....Much like map 1. Very quick with terminal torque steer. Car a real pig to drive and went into 'limp mode' after a few miles. :-\
Maybe 250 BHP through the front wheels is the limit.
Can you get your money back?
Yes.....minus postage. :y
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Four maps so far and none of them satisfactory. :-\
Map 1....Way too brutal, cars stutters under load. Gearbox all over the place with car running two gears lower than it should. Torque steer horrendous.
Map 2...Car runs smoothly but acceleration no better than standard as verified by Racelogic performance box. Zero to 60 MPH 6.6 seconds.
Map 3....Much like map 2. Smooth but performance no better than stock.
Map 4.....Much like map 1. Very quick with terminal torque steer. Car a real pig to drive and went into 'limp mode' after a few miles. :-\
Maybe 250 BHP through the front wheels is the limit.
Can you get your money back?
Yes.....minus postage. :y
Then do it. 0-60 in 6.6 is enough for a family car. If you want something faster, then buy something faster.
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Four maps so far and none of them satisfactory. :-\
Map 1....Way too brutal, cars stutters under load. Gearbox all over the place with car running two gears lower than it should. Torque steer horrendous.
Map 2...Car runs smoothly but acceleration no better than standard as verified by Racelogic performance box. Zero to 60 MPH 6.6 seconds.
Map 3....Much like map 2. Smooth but performance no better than stock.
Map 4.....Much like map 1. Very quick with terminal torque steer. Car a real pig to drive and went into 'limp mode' after a few miles. :-\
Maybe 250 BHP through the front wheels is the limit.
Can you get your money back?
Yes.....minus postage. :y
Then do it. 0-60 in 6.6 is enough for a family car. If you want something faster, then buy something faster.
Very true,,as said sub 7 secs to sixty isn't shabby is it,buy a Westfield !!
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Here are Dr Opti's tips before you invest in a remap.
1. If you are going to put 300 BHP and 350 lb ft of torque through the wheels make sure they are at the back of the car. :D ;D
2. Make sure the chassis/handling is a step up from the Vectra/Signum.
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How does this bluefin work... Does it remap & then get unplugged or do you leave it plugged in to enable you to fiddle about as you're running ?
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What cars this on, opti?
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How does this bluefin work... Does it remap & then get unplugged or do you leave it plugged in to enable you to fiddle about as you're running ?
+1
Never see or heard of this set up. Always wanting to learn tho :)
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For the time being the original map is back in place.
Sanity restored. :y
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Here are Dr Opti's tips before you invest in a remap.
1. If you are going to put 300 BHP and 350 lb ft of torque through the wheels make sure they are at the back of the car. :D ;D
2. Make sure the chassis/handling is a step up from the Vectra/Signum.
:D
Pity there's not one available for the Omega , then we could have a debate about proper tyre wear ::)
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
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Here are Dr Opti's tips before you invest in a remap.
1. If you are going to put 300 BHP and 350 lb ft of torque through the wheels make sure they are at the back of the car. :D ;D
2. Make sure the chassis/handling is a step up from the Vectra/Signum.
3. A manual gearbox. The remap plays merry hell with the auto change points. :-\
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Racelogic performance box. :P
Which is dead accurate.
Yeasterday managed 6.46 seconds in 98.21 metres. ;)
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
The thought did occur but the man from superchips says no. Apparently they can tell.
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Provided the car is set up for it. I don't believe you can just increase the power without upgrading other components on the car.
The gearbox, the suspension setup etc.
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Racelogic performance box. :P
Which is dead accurate.
Yeasterday managed 6.46 seconds in 98.21 metres. ;)
Then your 4seat sports car is deffo not standard. I'd be very surprised (in the real world) it would break the 7 second barrier. (or is the 6.46 with the oppsmesideways map)?
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Oh, and those VBOX's are about as accuarate as me counting from 1 to 10 when I've had a steady eight! :D
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Racelogic performance box. :P
Which is dead accurate.
Yeasterday managed 6.46 seconds in 98.21 metres. ;)
Then your 4seat sports car is deffo not standard. I'd be very surprised (in the real world) it would break the 7 second barrier. (or is the 6.46 with the oppsmesideways map)?
Most car mags test two up and with a full tank of petrol. My figures were obtained driver only and low fuel.
The difference being probably close to 200 KG. This is enough to drop it below 7 seconds.
My car seems a particularly 'fit example' of the marque. :y
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Racelogic performance box. :P
Which is dead accurate.
Yeasterday managed 6.46 seconds in 98.21 metres. ;)
Then your 4seat sports car is deffo not standard. I'd be very surprised (in the real world) it would break the 7 second barrier. (or is the 6.46 with the oppsmesideways map)?
Most car mags test two up and with a full tank of petrol. My figures were obtained driver only and low fuel.
The difference being probably close to 200 KG. This is enough to drop it below 7 seconds.
My car seems a particularly 'fit example' of the marque. :y
I can honestly say I have never been in a Signum V6. I have, however been in a 9-3SS 2.8V6 which is practically the same engine, but with a higher output, lighter weight and more stable chassis. I don't think that would make 6.6 seconds. You must have a belter! :y
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I can assure you, 285BPH and 440Nm is not a problem through the front wheels provided you know how to drive.
Just sayin', like!
The aggresive map (I'm guessing number 1) will just speed up the throttle map (x1.5), so 50% throttle = 75%. It's not nice with an auto. I've got a similar map (I can change on the fly between economy/normal/sport). The only difference being; Economy: Runs in closed loop all the time. Normal: Bat shit crazy, but can be controlled. Sport: Bye Bye front tyres, and that roundabout I just negotiated is covered in smoke!
And if you are getting 6.6 0-60 from a Signum, you have either got numerical dyslexia, or your readings are very wrong. That 2.8V6 in a 9-3SS will achieve that, but only in Manual form....... and it's a lot lighter.
Is it possible your car has already had a re-map?
Racelogic performance box. :P
Which is dead accurate.
Yeasterday managed 6.46 seconds in 98.21 metres. ;)
Then your 4seat sports car is deffo not standard. I'd be very surprised (in the real world) it would break the 7 second barrier. (or is the 6.46 with the oppsmesideways map)?
Most car mags test two up and with a full tank of petrol. My figures were obtained driver only and low fuel.
The difference being probably close to 200 KG. This is enough to drop it below 7 seconds.
My car seems a particularly 'fit example' of the marque. :y
I can honestly say I have never been in a Signum V6. I have, however been in a 9-3SS 2.8V6 which is practically the same engine, but with a higher output, lighter weight and more stable chassis. I don't think that would make 6.6 seconds. You must have a belter! :y
I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
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I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
Very impressive. The equivilent 9-3 does 1/4 miles in 15.3seconds. It's 150KG lighter, has much more torque and a few more Ponies. Send the Bluefin back!!!!!! :-X
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I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
Very impressive. The equivilent 9-3 does 1/4 miles in 15.3seconds. It's 150KG lighter, has much more torque and a few more Ponies. Send the Bluefin back!!!!!! :-X
Mine is the 250 version and not the earlier 230 version. :y
60,000 miles so nice and loose. :y
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Mine is the 250 version and not the earlier 230 version. :y
60,000 miles so nice and loose. :y
Just a measly 280 in the TurboX :( (Standard)
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Mine is the 250 version and not the earlier 230 version. :y
60,000 miles so nice and loose. :y
Just a measly 280 in the TurboX :( (Standard)
Four wheel drive too ::)
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Mine is the 250 version and not the earlier 230 version. :y
60,000 miles so nice and loose. :y
Just a measly 280 in the TurboX :( (Standard)
Four wheel drive too ::)
OK, 255BHP in the FWD. And shit loads more torque than the Vx. ;)
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How does this bluefin work... Does it remap & then get unplugged or do you leave it plugged in to enable you to fiddle about as you're running ?
+1
Never see or heard of this set up. Always wanting to learn tho :)
Anyone care to shed some light for those of us not in the know ?
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From what I remember you plug the thing into your port and it downloads a copy of your ecu mapping, you then email that back to SC, who pick one of the predetermined adjusted maps (dependant on your original), and email it back to you, and you upload to your ECU.
You always have the original map on the handset just in case you should ever want to revert back.
If you find the new map either too harsh or not mad enough you can contact them and they will give you another map, either less or more practical.
This is no individual map service, but are one of the better generic map sellers!
HTH
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I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
Very impressive. The equivilent 9-3 does 1/4 miles in 15.3seconds. It's 150KG lighter, has much more torque and a few more Ponies. Send the Bluefin back!!!!!! :-X
The equivalent 9-3 does not have more torque....and its the same Epsilon chassis
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I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
Very impressive. The equivilent 9-3 does 1/4 miles in 15.3seconds. It's 150KG lighter, has much more torque and a few more Ponies. Send the Bluefin back!!!!!! :-X
The equivalent 9-3 does not have more torque....and its the same Epsilon chassis
Weren't they the baddies in Battle Star Galactica. ;D
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From what I remember you plug the thing into your port and it downloads a copy of your ecu mapping, you then email that back to SC, who pick one of the predetermined adjusted maps (dependant on your original), and email it back to you, and you upload to your ECU.
You always have the original map on the handset just in case you should ever want to revert back.
If you find the new map either too harsh or not mad enough you can contact them and they will give you another map, either less or more practical.
This is no individual map service, but are one of the better generic map sellers!
HTH
Very interesting, thanks
Phil
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I think I may have.
On the same acceleration run it covered the quarter mile in 14.93 seconds at 97.38 MPH.*
* Figures taken at a private test facility. :)
Very impressive. The equivilent 9-3 does 1/4 miles in 15.3seconds. It's 150KG lighter, has much more torque and a few more Ponies. Send the Bluefin back!!!!!! :-X
The equivalent 9-3 does not have more torque....and its the same Epsilon chassis
Weren't they the baddies in Battle Star Galactica. ;D
Sure they where called the Cylons
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Yeah....and watch out for those fickin Klingons......bastards they are. ;D
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The equivalent 9-3 does not have more torque....and its the same Epsilon chassis
The LP9 in the 9-3 was 400Nm on the later models (350Nm for earlier models). The Signum was 350Nm (or 330 for the earlier models).
Same Epsilion chassis, built in very different factory's, with very different parts. One is a far superior drive than the other - I'll let you make your mind up which!
Interestingly, in the Insignia VXR, it makes 320BHP and 435Nm as standard (And I know they can be mapped for more).
It makes me laugh when people compare the GM Saab's to Opel/Vauxhall. Short of brake discs and pads, there are few interchangable parts.
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
The Omega V6 is pretty much at it's limit. You'll notice bugger all from a remap. :y
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
The Omega V6 is pretty much at it's limit. You'll notice bugger all from a remap. :y
Ive Driven the 2.2 and the 3.2....i get the impression from here that the 3ltr is the better of all omegas. :-\
I am lead to believe that the 2.6 is fairly crap and only a small step up from the 2.2...
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
The Omega V6 is pretty much at it's limit. You'll notice bugger all from a remap. :y
Ive Driven the 2.2 and the 3.2....i get the impression from here that the 3ltr is the better of all omegas. :-\
I am lead to believe that the 2.6 is fairly crap and only a small step up from the 2.2...
That's a bit harsh... The 2.6 does at least have the correct number of cylinders (for an Omega at least) ::)
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Ok ..I will put it another way....
If you are going to go from a 4 pot to a v6 then dont bother pissing around with a 2.6 ....
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;D
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Ok ..I will put it another way....
If you are going to go from a 4 pot to a v6 then dont bother pissing around with a 2.6 ....
Trouble is finding a decent 3.0/3.2 takes time usually where as the 2.6 tends to be more common also depending on the person the 2.6 will have more than enough power for their needs.
But if a 3.0/3.2 pops up within reach pounce on it before these vultures on here grab it first ;D
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How does this bluefin work... Does it remap & then get unplugged or do you leave it plugged in to enable you to fiddle about as you're running ?
+1
Never see or heard of this set up. Always wanting to learn tho :)
Anyone?
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
The Omega V6 is pretty much at it's limit. You'll notice bugger all from a remap. :y
Ive Driven the 2.2 and the 3.2....i get the impression from here that the 3ltr is the better of all omegas. :-\
I am lead to believe that the 2.6 is fairly crap and only a small step up from the 2.2...
I went from a 2.0 to a 2.6 (via a 2.5) & the difference was very noticeable - a better engine note too !
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How does this bluefin work... Does it remap & then get unplugged or do you leave it plugged in to enable you to fiddle about as you're running ?
+1
Never see or heard of this set up. Always wanting to learn tho :)
Anyone?
Connect to OBD, let it load the new map, takes a few mins, then unplug and drive. And usually enjoy. Unless you have bought the wrong car with the wrong gear box. :-X
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
You won't get big returns from a NA car.
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Most recent auto boxes tend to learn your driving pattern and adjust to it. I remember with my BMWs there was a way to reset the gearbox to adapt to a new owner/remap.
Does the insignia have such a facility. May help adapt to the map better.
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Most recent auto boxes tend to learn your driving pattern and adjust to it. I remember with my BMWs there was a way to reset the gearbox to adapt to a new owner/remap.
Does the insignia have such a facility. May help adapt to the map better.
If I were to try another remap I would go the rear drive manual gearbox route.
Most people think their car is quicker after a remap because they are told by the remap company that it will be. This is further reinforced by graphs showing large gains in power, and especially torque.
I did notice the extra torque which had the effect of making the car feels like a diesel because it ran out of urge some 500 RPM earlier. As for more BHP......I couldn't find it. Against the clock (racelogic performance box) the car was slower. Fact.
I think superchips are selling expensive snake oil.
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With no experience of a Signum, I cannot comment directly.
But on a ST the Bluefin did wonders. Ok it was FWD, but manual. Quicker of the line, definitely more power and faster around Brands hatch, Snetterton and Cadwell (Bluefin and Dreamscience). Similar experience with a 335i with standard auto.
That was just us driving and using a simple timer. No fancy racelogic box etc. In fact I would question why straight line acceleration would be a useful marker to any of use who don't have the use of a so called private test track with a straight stretch of road.
So not snake oil at all. Remember there might be issues with your car that you are not aware of that the remap may be exposing. Is your clutch upto scratch? Some of the ST owners had issues and we eventually identified that they were suffering from clutch slip and once the clutch was upgraded they were able to appreciate the benefit of the remap. Alternatively it may be that the Signum is not capable of handling a power upgrade (transmission, gearbox or tyres). I suspect if they were selling snake oil they wouldnt be offering a full refund policy.
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Most people only have access to the torque and power figures that Superchips provide.
I would be interested to see independent 'before and after' dyno figures.
My guess is that most turbo petrol cars would show an increase in torque but with little or no gains in BHP.....and possibly a small loss.
My car felt like a diesel after the remap because it lost it's ability to rev. It wouldn't run smoothly either.
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So, what would one pay for an ECU remap that would give me 'only' 10-20% BHP performance improvement on my 2.6 ?
You won't get big returns from a NA car.
Forgive me, NA ?
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Normally aspirated. Ie not turbo or supercharged.
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Aha, thanks