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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 18 September 2015, 20:49:23
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No not that Lord Opti!! :D :P
Volkswagen Audi Group are under investigation by the Environmental Protection Agency in the US for having installed software that masks the true emissions during testing. Reuters are reporting that V.A.G. could be fined up to $18 Billion!! :o
If its true, all those diesel Golf's, Beetle's Passat's and A3's are much dirtier than advertised and are chucking out 40 times the amount of pollutants allowed! :o Again if true, this must be one of the biggest corporate scams ever! :-\
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/18/us-usa-volkswagen-idUSKCN0RI1VK20150918
Vorsprung Durch Technik! ::) ;D
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It doesn't surprise me, they are vastly over rated in my humble opinion. Did you see this article from last month?
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2971826/cybercrime-hacking/hack-to-steal-cars-with-keyless-ignition-volkswagen-spent-2-years-hiding-flaw.html
Great company there isn't it?
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No not that Lord Opti!! :D :P
Volkswagen Audi Group are under investigation by the Environmental Protection Agency in the US for having installed software that masks the true emissions during testing. Reuters are reporting that V.A.G. could be fined up to $18 Billion!! :o
If its true, all those diesel Golf's, Beetle's Passat's and A3's are much dirtier than advertised and are chucking out 40 times the amount of pollutants allowed! :o Again if true, this must be one of the biggest corporate scams ever! :-\
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/18/us-usa-volkswagen-idUSKCN0RI1VK20150918
Vorsprung Durch Splutnik! ::) ;D
Fixed.
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Most cars have been "tuned" around the test cycles they get put through, so will achieve nothing like the claimed figures on a real-world journey.
I suppose it's a matter of where you draw the line.
Why on earth anyone would by a diseasel, especially a VAG one, in the US, where petrol costs buttons, I'm not entirely sure. ;)
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Most cars have been "tuned" around the test cycles they get put through, so will achieve nothing like the claimed figures on a real-world journey.
I suppose it's a matter of where you draw the line.
Why on earth anyone would by a diseasel, especially a VAG one, in the US, where petrol costs buttons, I'm not entirely sure. ;)
Probably more popular in the Democratic voting states like California, Connecticut etc than place like Texas or Florida. ;) In fact many fuel stations in Houston don't bother stocking diesel. ::)
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So the Beeb have finally woken up to this story and it's developing fast with regulators in Europe and Asia taking interest. VAG shares have taken a hammering and they've set aside $6.5 billion to cover the costs. I suspect they'll need more. ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34325005
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Wonder if they will pull out of the Red Bull F1 deal now?
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I wonder if the tax bands for VAG diesels will get adjusted ........or if they will be compulsory recalled for software updates.
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I admire hugely what engineers have been able to do these last 20 or so years regarding engines emissions and torque/power outputs. This is a bit of an Automotive Watergate moment However, I think this, to a point, reflects on the massive demands being placed on design teams. The goal posts are set higher and higher, there has to be a limit with chat can be done. We are, after all, setting fire to a combustible substance - there's going to be some nasty smelling stuff! This goalpost moving is done with no regard for real-world economies. By that I mean how much does it cost the planet to redesign a whole engine family, run it for a few years, then scrap it and start again.
In a way we're facing an emissions version of Group B rallying... they were just too damn fast and it cost lives. More isn't automatically better. Ask any mechanic about the fragility, the high-stresses, incredible fine tolerances of a modern engine, the two choices if repair - replace an unfeasibly expensive set of parts, or simply bin the engine/car and buy a new one. Insurance writeoff. Send the thing to landfill. >:(
And then we consider the pitfalls of new tech for new tech's sake, diesels filters that clog up if you do that strange act known as driving around town, for one. It feels like we're approaching the elastic limit of what can be done with the Internal Combustion Engine - to the point where they're literally impossible for manufacturers to make them, I suppose.
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I certainly wouldn't want to be a VW/Audi owner living in a low emission state such as California ::)
Still that'll learn them ;D
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I'm sure it was a genuine mistake and that VW were not trying to pull the wool over our eyes. :)
:D :D :D :D ;D
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I'm waiting to see how many other manufacturers come to grief too!
I can't see VAG writing much of their own ECU firmware, so I'm guessing this is a "feature" that Bosch et al sell for their customers to enable when mapping an ECU. I can't believe other manufacturers aren't doing exactly the same thing.
Of course, in Europe, they submit a "golden" vehicle for testing, with a nudge and a wink, so it could have a completely different config to a production vehicle anyway. ;D
Now the genie is out of the lamp, I suspect a few are in line to get their a@rses whipped and I wouldn't be surprised if a few emission bands get changed retrospectively.
Then again, depends on the balance of power between the environmental lobbyists and the "but it would be harmful to business" argument.
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Have a look at Auto Express magazines road tests, they always publish the claimed emissions and the actual emissions from the vehicle on test,I've not yet seen one match the claimed output which would suggest that this could go viral,that would take a little heat off VW though.
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Much like the "muscle car"wars where BHP figures grew to be -shall we say-rather optimistic VW are not going to be the only ones doing this it's just that they're the first to get caught out ::)
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One good eruption from a super volcano and all these attempts at emission controls seem like very small potatoes. :o
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What Kevin says is true. I heard on a news outlet talking to 'technical bods', that some of the software is 'third party' and is undoubtably installed in other vehicles, although possibly not activated. :)
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If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen! ::) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQIUJOr1GA
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https://youtu.be/ZRhdjPIa4J0
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Wonder if this will affect my car it is after just a golf
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Much like the "muscle car"wars where BHP figures grew to be -shall we say-rather optimistic VW are not going to be the only ones doing this it's just that they're the first to get caught out ::)
Yup. I'm sure this is an industry-wide trend. Soe may be more guilty than others, but at the end of the day, like I say, there's only so much technology can do, and even the greatest most talented engineer is always against that force even stronger than he, talent, technology and governments... budget.
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That's no excuse for lying and cheating though! ::) :P
This will be VAG's 'Tesco - horse meat' moment, but I reckon will turn out as expensive as BP's Deepwater Horizon moment. ::)
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There was something on one of the news site's that they are looking at a £12billion fine from the yanks and board has been asked to resign
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Considering it's approximately £1 billion to design a high-volume new car ground up, and it can/may/does take 3-4 years of selling that new car to break even £12 billion is a hell of a chunk out of VAG's bank account. Ouch.
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VW reckon there could be up to 11 million Vehicles affected worldwide and have put 6.5billion euro's aside to cover costs and could be facing fines of up to 18 billion euro's
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Actually just learned VAG made 47.8 billion EURO last year. Screw them, they can afford it. Lying Krauts ;D
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So VW have used the sophisticated, integrated electronic systems in their cars to get around an arbitrary and artificial test.
How is anyone surprised by this, and what difference does it make to anything?
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CEO has been
taken out and shot just resigned.
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Don't think he will be the last huge potential loss and damage to the brand
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Don't think he will be the last huge potential loss and damage to the brand
Not just VAG brands either. ;) I think it's potentially damaging to Deutchland Plc as a whole. :-\
That expensive Bosch washing machine whirring away in the kitchen that you were told only used 5 litres of water...... ::)
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Don't think he will be the last huge potential loss and damage to the brand
Not just VAG brands either. ;) I think it's potentially damaging to Deutchland Plc as a whole. :-\
That expensive Bosch washing machine whirring away in the kitchen that you were told only used 5 litres of water...... ::)
Talking of Mr Bosch,he made all these corrupt ECU's ??? ::) ::)
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Talking of Mr Bosch,he made all these corrupt ECU's ??? ::) ::)
Indeed, I'm really wondering when that will come out. Somewhere, in a smoke filled room* at an engine test facility, there will have been a gathering of VAG and Bosch, etc. engineers and probably some consultants, scratching their heads wondering how to make the engine meet its' emissions targets yet not get through AdBlue / DPFs like they were going out of fashion.
The techie from the ECU manufacturer will have been expected to pull something out of the hat, and will have suggested "well, we could always switch on the naughty mode".
So, he only did that for VAG, then? ::)
There's also the point that Nick W makes. Did the powers that be really expect to get realistic "on the road" emissions figures from such a contrived, superficial and easily manipulated testing regime with seemingly no independent oversight?
*- Not really, that's against EU reg.... Er..Um..Ahh, breakit <lights up>
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I suspect the ECU designers, unknown at this moment I believe, offer some basic capabilities, including some kind of extra-eco mode (and a performance mode etc). It will likely be the car designers that set how/why/when/if such a mode is used.
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The US these days look at overseas companies as useful sources of extra public revenue, which means with any transgression they are pursued with the utmost zeal and get fines where at extra zero or 2 is added compared to their US counterparts. Goods recent examples are BP and our banks. ??? ??? ???
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It could aslo effect Audi going into F1 as it was the CEO of VW that was for them giving up on sports car series and joining F1
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It could aslo effect Audi going into F1 as it was the CEO of VW that was for them giving up on sports car series and joining F1
As I said in another thread it'll have to be Skoda F1 instead! ;D
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my understanding of what they did is produce a low polluting diesel (so as to pass the US tests) then via the firmware re-configure it to be much higher polluting when being driven normally (so the car would be powerful to drive). the consequent extra NOx pollution is estimated worldwide to be, daily, the same as the entire NOx output of all UK power stations, vehicles, industry, and agriculture emissions combined. criminal.
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Has someone been reading the Daily Mail? :o ;D
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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/22/vw-scandal-caused-nearly-1m-tonnes-of-extra-pollution-analysis-shows (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/22/vw-scandal-caused-nearly-1m-tonnes-of-extra-pollution-analysis-shows)
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A Guardian analysis found those US vehicles would have spewed between 10,392 and 41,571 tonnes of toxic gas
VW’s defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year
Would or Could? Hmmmmmm.
Lot's of variables there. I'm hoping you don't leave your Electricity and Gas usage estimates to The Guardian.
I'm not knocking the fact you are interested in this - I am too! Just wish people would stop sprouting shit on the Interwebs before anyone knows anything. We are not the press.... If I want to read a piss-poor newspaper, I'll read it. Ta.
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guardian: "The company admitted the device may have been fitted to 11m of its vehicles worldwide. If that proves correct, VW’s defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe’s biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year."
seems fair enough journalism to me. a "piss poor" newspaper like the daily fail quote would be
"hitler's descendents f**k the planet"
or daily excress
"vw car killed lady di in tunnel assasination plot"
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guardian: "The company admitted the device may have been fitted to 11m of its vehicles worldwide. If that proves correct, VW’s defective vehicles could be responsible for between 237,161 and 948,691 tonnes of NOx emissions each year, 10 to 40 times the pollution standard for new models in the US. Western Europe’s biggest power station, Drax in the UK, emits 39,000 tonnes of NOx each year."
seems fair enough journalism to me. a "piss poor" newspaper like the daily fail quote would be
"hitler's descendents f**k the plant"
or daily excress
"vw car killed lady di in tunnel assasination plot"
I'm astonished. Don't get me wrong, I don't know you from Adam, unless your name is Adam?
Still. You actually believe this shit?
Do you not notice the huge array of 'may' 'could' 'might' 'possibly' type of words used in these publications?
You really are the sort of person I enjoy having a pint with in a pub..... entertainment at it's finest! ;D
Also, the NOx figure for Drax is about 40 times lower than the factually accurate figure of 1.56MILLION tonnes. I know this as fact, because a bloke at VW told me.
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pissed up are we stella?
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pissed up are we?
Unable to sustain a debate, are we? ::)
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sad if u call that a debate
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sad if u call that a debate
My thoughts entirely.
I was hoping you could add something more to the party* than a misquote from a shower of shite newspaper. Obviously my hopes have dwindled and died.
*No, I don't consider this to be a 'party'. You know what I mean, along with the word 'debate'.
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sad if u call that a debate
My thoughts entirely.
I was hoping you could add something more to the party* than a misquote from a shower of shite newspaper. Obviously my hopes have dwindled and died.
*No, I don't consider this to be a 'party'. You know what I mean, along with the word 'debate'.
What do you expect from a Guardian reader ::) Going by some other posts elsewhere, he might even work for the BBC :-X
Still another couple of inane ramblings and his car will be in the For Sale section ready to opps off into the ether :D
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Interestingly, VAG have for many years written their own ECU core software as it was considered that it gave them an advantage (from the days of Digifa
rnt which was simply a Motronic setup with VAG firmware).
I am not aware of any other manufacturer that does that, they all use the injection system suppliers core code with parameterised add-ons for the specific power plant,
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Interestingly, VAG have for many years written their own ECU core software as it was considered that it gave them an advantage (from the days of Digifarnt which was simply a Motronic setup with VAG firmware).
I am not aware of any other manufacturer that does that, they all use the injection system suppliers core code with parameterised add-ons for the specific power plant,
Interesting. Clearly it did give them an advantage. And a big headache!
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
Fancy a horse, myself :)
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Fancy a horse, myself :)
Emissions?
There's the shovel. :y
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
Brand new Golf R for £5000?
I'll take two. :)
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
I think you are right. Certainly the death of diesel cars. I would imagine in ten years time there will be ahrdly any new ones. Electric car technology is moving on apace. It only needs someone to promote electric cars are recharged using green energy that creates no pollution and the world will get behind them. I believe Boris went to China recently to promote our technolgy to the Chinese e.g. electric double deckers only for them to say have you seen these much more effective. He came back with some to try out.
I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
I think you are right. Certainly the death of diesel cars. I would imagine in ten years time there will be ahrdly any new ones. Electric car technology is moving on apace. It only needs someone to promote electric cars are recharged using green energy that creates no pollution and the world will get behind them. I believe Boris went to China recently to promote our technolgy to the Chinese e.g. electric double deckers only for them to say have you seen these much more effective. He came back with some to try out.
I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
Which is bollix because the energy used to charge the EV is only as green as the stations used to produce it. This can vary from 0-80% depending on which country you live. One benefit that is not really pushed hard enough is that the pollution doesn't happen at the tailpipe (and thus in the city where the concentration of people who breath it is higher) this, for me is a huge selling point. BUt maybe that's because I cycle a lot :-\
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I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
Electric cars use fossil fuel too, remember. :y
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I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
Electric cars use fossil fuel too, remember. :y
They're not pollution free either, but that's an effect that won't manifest for a long time.
And all the enthusiasts make no mention of the worldwide infrastructure necessary to make electric vehicles a workable replacement for internal combustion engines.
My view is that EVs will become more commonplace, but they're like 'alternative energy sources': an additional resource rather than a replacement.
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I see that VW have admitted that the same control systems where also used in Europe and that other makes also to be checked
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
I think you are right. Certainly the death of diesel cars. I would imagine in ten years time there will be ahrdly any new ones. Electric car technology is moving on apace. It only needs someone to promote electric cars are recharged using green energy that creates no pollution and the world will get behind them. I believe Boris went to China recently to promote our technolgy to the Chinese e.g. electric double deckers only for them to say have you seen these much more effective. He came back with some to try out.
I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
Which is bollix because the energy used to charge the EV is only as green as the stations used to produce it. This can vary from 0-80% depending on which country you live. One benefit that is not really pushed hard enough is that the pollution doesn't happen at the tailpipe (and thus in the city where the concentration of people who breath it is higher) this, for me is a huge selling point. BUt maybe that's because I cycle a lot :-\
my point was slightly tongue in cheek. The public are very gullible. If you showed them a picture of a windmill and an electric car they would see the word Green. I suspect though we are seeing the deathknell of diesels.
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
If that happens (the highlighted part) all this will do is hasten the demise of the internal combustion engine and leave us all sitting in self-driving automated electric pods.
Yay. >:(
I think you are right. Certainly the death of diesel cars. I would imagine in ten years time there will be ahrdly any new ones. Electric car technology is moving on apace. It only needs someone to promote electric cars are recharged using green energy that creates no pollution and the world will get behind them. I believe Boris went to China recently to promote our technolgy to the Chinese e.g. electric double deckers only for them to say have you seen these much more effective. He came back with some to try out.
I can see the frackers won't be too pleased as they are investing presumably with cars continuing to use fossil fuels.
Which is bollix because the energy used to charge the EV is only as green as the stations used to produce it. This can vary from 0-80% depending on which country you live. One benefit that is not really pushed hard enough is that the pollution doesn't happen at the tailpipe (and thus in the city where the concentration of people who breath it is higher) this, for me is a huge selling point. BUt maybe that's because I cycle a lot :-\
my point was slightly tongue in cheek. The public are very gullible. If you showed them a picture of a windmill and an electric car they would see the word Green. I suspect though we are seeing the deathknell of diesels.
I have to say that I for one would not lament the passing of the derv......soot chucker.....oil burner.. call it what you will.
I know some people love diesels but I dislike the way they make their power.
Driving a diesel is like sex without a climax. You get all tuned-on by the growing swell of power in the midrange............only to find your once proud erection hanging flaccid as the rev counter reaches 5000 RPM. :D ;D
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You need therapy :o. See Doctor Foster. :y
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Sure they have done wrong and some people will be sacked/maybe sent to prison but am I the only person who thinks that the world has gone mad for justice.
I do feel sorry for anyone whose pension is linked to VW stock.
If their cars were way above everyone elses in terms of Nitrous Dioxide emissions then maybe there is a case but to me they all look similar. That being the case the others are bending the rules too. So lets bring the car industry to its knees with class actions etc.
I bet VW sales rocket as initially stock is discounted. At the end of the day, people buy cars on performance, economy, build quality, comfort and price. I suspect Nitrous Dioxide emissions (assuming the buyer knew cars emitted that) would be very low on a list.
Which is exactly why it is legislated for.
A few contacts I know in the industry (mainly JLR) have long suspected something odd as the VAG test figures and the engine performance on a road test suggested technology beyond that which was available in a volume environment.
So the issue is that VAG are outputting a lot more NOx than any other manufacturer......given its legislation you have to fix it or potentially the vehicle is not allowed on the road......but that will be at the expensive of performance on the road.....which the owners wont be keen on.
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It raises an interesting question as to how any resolution is implemented too. So, VW issue a recall, which replaces the firmware, removes the emissions issue, but the recall makes the car sluggish.
Who's going to voluntarily take their car to have such a recall?
Who's going to pick up the cars that remain non compliant?
The MOT testing regime has no facility to do so, as it's based on the assumption that the car was compliant when new in respect of NOx emissions. There's no provision for failing the car due to emissions that aren't part of the MOT testing regime and no provision for failing it due to failure to have a recall implemented.
The cars will go on producing excessive emissions until they are scrapped, as far as I can see.
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It raises an interesting question as to how any resolution is implemented too. So, VW issue a recall, which replaces the firmware, removes the emissions issue, but the recall makes the car sluggish.
Who's going to voluntarily take their car to have such a recall?
Who's going to pick up the cars that remain non compliant?
The MOT testing regime has no facility to do so, as it's based on the assumption that the car was compliant when new in respect of NOx emissions. There's no provision for failing the car due to emissions that aren't part of the MOT testing regime and no provision for failing it due to failure to have a recall implemented.
The cars will go on producing excessive emissions until they are scrapped, as far as I can see.
I would imagine in the states it will be mandatory,not sure about here or rest of europe ::)
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It raises an interesting question as to how any resolution is implemented too. So, VW issue a recall, which replaces the firmware, removes the emissions issue, but the recall makes the car sluggish.
Who's going to voluntarily take their car to have such a recall?
Who's going to pick up the cars that remain non compliant?
The MOT testing regime has no facility to do so, as it's based on the assumption that the car was compliant when new in respect of NOx emissions. There's no provision for failing the car due to emissions that aren't part of the MOT testing regime and no provision for failing it due to failure to have a recall implemented.
The cars will go on producing excessive emissions until they are scrapped, as far as I can see.
I would imagine in the states it will be mandatory,not sure about here or rest of europe ::)
And who`s going to want their car back after it has effectively been detuned when you don`t have a say in it?
Second hand values could drop faster than the Titanic.
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Well they wil be the first of many. we all know other brands will be at it in some way.
To be honest I work within the VAG network and I have no doubt winterkorn is sharing his bed with a horses head right now.
It will be interesting to see how the software mod changes the driveability of models effected.
Will it effect there market position? meh. I don't think it will much.....
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UK are now looking into rechecking the models in the UK and will retest any models if necessary and compare to everyday emissions
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Will they have to go the same route as other manufacturers, instead of taking the p!ss by adding the p!ss with AdBlue to get compliant NOx figures? :o :o :o :o
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Will they have to go the same route as other manufacturers, instead of taking the p!ss by adding the p!ss with AdBlue to get compliant NOx figures? :o :o :o :o
Adblue plus DPF simply says 'Our engineers are shit at what they do and should be shot' ::)
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Will they have to go the same route as other manufacturers, instead of taking the p!ss by adding the p!ss with AdBlue to get compliant NOx figures? :o :o :o :o
Adblue plus DPF simply says 'Our engineers are shit at what they do and should be shot' ::)
No other means to meet regs on reasonable size cars
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Not a patch on the rest of today's news, but the Swiss have banned the sale of various models.
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Not a patch on the rest of today's news, but the Swiss have banned the sale of various models.
Yeh, the Swiss don't mess about, wonder how many other Countries will follow suit as a get it sorted VW kick up the arse! (Germany next I wonder? ;D).
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AUDI have no admitted that they have used VW device in over 2 million of there cars
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Bosch put their tuppence worth in today, saying they advise customers not to alter the software settings in their products.
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Bosch put their tuppence worth in today, saying they advise customers not to alter the software settings in their products.
Attached to the note is the biggest winking smiley in history...
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The biggest surprise is that folk are surprised ;D
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Bosch put their tuppence worth in today, saying they advise customers not to alter the software settings in their products.
Attached to the note is the biggest winking smiley in history...
"Just for fun, we developed some software to defeat the emissions tests and sold it to VW."
"Of course, we told them not to use it." ;D
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Bosch put their tuppence worth in today, saying they advise customers not to alter the software settings in their products.
Attached to the note is the biggest winking smiley in history...
"Just for fun, we developed some software to defeat the emissions tests and sold it to VW."
"Of course, we told them not to use it." ;D
Yep,course they did,wonder who else they told ::) :o
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If they got caught they would all be on an African river trip: On de Nile. ;D ;D ;D
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https://www.facebook.com/350808501778795/videos/403126823213629/
;D ;D
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Your being harsh on the train makers :o
the VW is worse :D
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The government is saying no one will have to pay a higher rate of VED so, as far as I can see, no reason to take your car in for a recall. Just don't get it serviced by VW, or they'll 'do it' anyway.
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https://ww ;w.facebook.com/350808501778795/videos/403126823213629/
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https://www.facebook.com/350808501778795/videos/403126823213629/
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Dirty soot chucking Saab in front of me this morning >:(