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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 03 January 2016, 13:25:52
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...the level of disappointment I have experienced has put me off WIM for life.
As I posted here before, I took a 500 mile round trip, because I'd used Tony in the old days and was hugely impressed. It seems now that they've become too big and lost their attention to detail, IMHO. I grant you, it wasn't exactly smooth at my end, due to parts supply issues, but we had rescheduled and MrsGK and I set off at the ungodly hour of 0400 to get there early. Unfortunately two motorway closures meant we were running late, as soon as we knew we were behind schedule we rang and they said they'd fit us in - no problem to us, we were quite content to sit about or go for a mooch into town, we weren't expecting immediate service.
I've already posted that the settings aren't as bob on as I would like, and with hindsight I should have pushed harder to get them done, but at the time I wasn't certain I thought "he knows more than me, I'm not going to kick up a fuss"...
Now I've come to have the wheels off in order to replace brake lines and bleed it through - the wheels haven't been off since we got him home, we've had no need to. All four wheels have been zipped up with a windy gun set on "annihilate". I'm a big chap and I had to put a good bit of effort on my breaker bar - if MrsGK had had to change a wheel at the roadside she would have been stuffed. This is after I'd asked them to torque them up correctly. Further to this, the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s that I had WIM fit, terrific tyre no doubt - but at least one of them appears to be mounted inside-out.
If we look at the following picture -
(http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/images/EagleF1_tcm2077-111645.png)
The sipes in the left-hand tread blocks are what I'm going from - some of them point inwards towards the front of the car, some of them outwards to the front - and there's not enough facing correctly to simply swap the wheels about, I'll always have 1 facing the opposite to the others.
I know it's not like they've fitted a nuclear warhead to the car, or removed some vital bolts, but for the £MANY it cost me, am I being fussy in expecting better?
The entire experience was completely different to when Tony did the setup some eight years ago - then he was happy to show me exactly what he was adjusting, how he was doing it, and the effects it had. This time around, to me, it felt like any other tyre chain...
...reckon it's worth complaining, if only to give the staff a kick up the arse for anyone else that's using them? I know there've been many satisfied customers on here and other forums, and I previously was one of them... hence my utter disappointment.
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Tyres are marked inside and outside, so no ambiguity there... ???
They might huff and puff, but if you don't like the settings as they do it, say summat... end of the day, it's your car, and you know what you want from it.
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I am a strong believer that if you pay for a service that if it is not right..i.e...wheels not torqued up...tyre fitted incorrectly...then i would have a moan..because if you dont they will never know if something is wrong and they will not be able to rectify their errors..the manager may not know that the oik that did the job on your car is not doing his job correctly..and before he knows it their reputation and business will soon go down the drain.....on the same note i also believe that if a job is done well then tell them that as well..... :y
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Always remember the local ATS would use the air gun then check with torque wrench after. I said to him they can still be to tight, anything beyond the torque setting would click. No matter how much I tried I couldn't get this through to him.
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Only recently I was looking at these tyres http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&typ=R-252877&partner=1&ID=froogle and they are clearly stamped outside on the wall of the tyre. Fitted to the nearside the grooves would clearly remove water but fitted to the offside they would grab water to the centre of the tyre.
Any thoughts.
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Always remember the local ATS would use the air gun then check with torque wrench after. I said to him they can still be to tight, anything beyond the torque setting would click. No matter how much I tried I couldn't get this through to him.
I had the same conversation at ATS in Bury .... assume it's the same ATS
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On the cheap Chinese crap most of the tyres are asymmetrical and can be fitted either way round....just slap them on.
However there will be an outside and inside mark on those tyres. Check that first.
As for oof's recommendation on WIM I can only go on my last visit years ago when we had the meet up. I was happy with what they did. But obviously only my experience.
I appreciate WiM are good but there are other good places too. And of course you can tell them the exact settings you'd like based on the best settings off the forum (which were written by wim iirc?)
As for your complaint. . . Drop them a line. As you say you've paid a lot of money :)
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Always remember the local ATS would use the air gun then check with torque wrench after. I said to him they can still be to tight, anything beyond the torque setting would click. No matter how much I tried I couldn't get this through to him.
I had the same conversation at ATS in Bury .... assume it's the same ATS
That's the one.
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Always remember the local ATS would use the air gun then check with torque wrench after. I said to him they can still be to tight, anything beyond the torque setting would click. No matter how much I tried I couldn't get this through to him.
I had the same conversation at ATS in Bury .... assume it's the same ATS
That's the one.
I only ever use Radcliffe Moor Rd tyres these days ;)
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I got a new pair of TRX out of them because the tyres stared to wear within a couple of weeks of fitting and having the tracking done, When I took it back the lad admitted he knocked it out of track a bit to allow the the slight wear that was on the original tyres. >:(
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Am I the only person who carries a torque wrench to tighten my own wheels back up at the garage?
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Am I the only person who carries a torque wrench to tighten my own wheels back up at the garage?
And a breaker bar to undo them first?
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Ta chaps- will have a look at the tyres tomorrow... then start crafting an email, hopefully Tony can give them a stern talking to...
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Ta chaps- will have a look at the tyres tomorrow... then start crafting an email, hopefully Tony can give them a stern talking to...
Particularly after a 500 mile trip!
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Am I the only person who carries a torque wrench to tighten my own wheels back up at the garage?
it would seem so ....... ;)
has it been recently calibrated? ::) ::)
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No and it is many years old. Forty this year. Norbar from memory.
I'll take my chances, not had a wheel fall off yet.
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So after being at wim for a few hours, then going for a test drive afterwards, then driving home,
You find the wheels a bit tight, and a tyre might be fitted backwards.
But instead of contacting WIM you think it's best to have a little paddy, and have a pop at them on here.
Is it just me or can anybody else see it.
Re-torque the wheels, phone wim, talk to tony, problem solved.
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Exactly,,,,phone them..complain...that then gives them a chance to sort it out....job done... :y :y
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No and it is many years old. Forty this year. Norbar from memory.
I'll take my chances, not had a wheel fall off yet.
If it's a 40 year old Norbar it might well be upto a whole 1% out, by now! Very good quality, I'd be happy trusting mine in 40 years. :y
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So after being at wim for a few hours, then going for a test drive afterwards, then driving home,
You find the wheels a bit tight, and a tyre might be fitted backwards.
But instead of contacting WIM you think it's best to have a little paddy, and have a pop at them on here.
Is it just me or can anybody else see it.
Re-torque the wheels, phone wim, talk to tony, problem solved.
Sort it out? By making another 500 mile trip?
I would be equally upset tbh, as I was when my steering wheel wasn't straight after my one any only experience with them. I didn't have time to go back so got someone else local to do it for which I was out of pocket. Personally I use a local place I have recently found, they will do it to your specifications so no need to go miles to take a change on whether it is Tony (probably THE only guy to have your work done at WIM) or somebody else who is not as good.
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The whole WIM thing has always had me baffled to be honest. ::)
I get that they have a good reputation, many members here swear by them and if I lived local to them I probably would go there too based on that, but travel hundreds of miles? Not a chance! :o
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In the good old days, when men were men, we would drive around in cars that had been well bent and put back on the road. You quite often saw cars where the direction of the back wheels bore no relation to where the front of the car was. 'Crabbing' we called it, and it certainly honed your driving skills. ;D
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The whole WIM thing has always had me baffled to be honest. ::)
I get that they have a good reputation, many members here swear by them and if I lived local to them I probably would go there too based on that, but travel hundreds of miles? Not a chance! :o
You can't say that here! Before you know it you will be denying GM oil and using pattern parts.
This will require a lifetime ban and we'll have to call in a priest, rabbi, Tom Cruise and Bill Gates to scourge the site of your presence.
You are right though.
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Drive long distances for exceptional service and integrity?
Now surely that describes Serek, the legend! :y :y :y
Ron.
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Surely one company is not the 'be all, end all' of steering geometry so I for one would not have travelled that distance but, the OP has put his trust in this company through previous experience and reputation and feels it has let him down, so is free to air his views.
........and a tyre might be fitted backwards.
That's unacceptable so OP justified in being hacked off.
But instead of contacting WIM you think it's best to have a little paddy, and have a pop at them on here.
OP has got it out in the open, not hidden behind a phone call. They are a business, we are the customer, if we are not happy then we go elsewhere. It matters not to us but it matters a great deal to them as reputation is everything in business.
.....Re-torque the wheels...
OP should be re-torquing the wheels to make sure they have not come loose after settling in, not undoing them mega Nm and them torquing them properly.
..... talk to tony, problem solved.
OP is two tanks of fuel out of pocket already by putting his trust in them so not sure he will be keen to return for the cost of another two tanks of fuel. What should the OP be aiming for, best of three, best of five, or getting it right the first time around. :-\
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So after being at wim for a few hours, then going for a test drive afterwards, then driving home,
You find the wheels a bit tight, and a tyre might be fitted backwards.
But instead of contacting WIM you think it's best to have a little paddy, and have a pop at them on here.
Is it just me or can anybody else see it.
Re-torque the wheels, phone wim, talk to tony, problem solved.
Point missed entirely. There is no paddy, its a factual statement of whats happened and why it has tainted my opinion of the company, especially as a returning customer.
All of thr above is getting done, Id rather take independent advice as to whether the tyres are wrongly fitted, before making a prat of myself.
My point with the wheels is that I asked specifically for something to be done (that my local tyre place do, quite rightly, as a matter of course)... and it wasn't.
The car doesnt do many miles, and MrsGK and I both drive and look after them - as I say she would have been up merde creek avec pas de la paddle, if she had had reason to change a wheel.
I will be sorting the issue out myself, locally, and swallow that cost - and I'm not after "compo innit", Ive posted this as an advisory to other members to be careful, and dont take things on trust.
I'll get in touch with Tony and see how he responds - as I say I was hugely impressed last time he worked on the same car.
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As said previously, tyres are marked inside and outside...
How find yours?
Geo settings are one thing... fitting tyres backwards can cause a real shitstorm if you prang the car as a direct result.
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As said previously, tyres are marked inside and outside...
How find yours?
Geo settings are one thing... fitting tyres backwards can cause a real shitstorm if you prang the car as a direct result.
Havent had a look yet, was at work first thing. Will be checking tonight. And agreed - thats why I want to get it sorted, now I know.
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I'd be upset too after travelling 500 miles round trip.
Nice to see others are looking for more local outlets to them, for their geo - after all its not rocket science, and the opimum settings are readily available both on this and other forums. I got a lot of stick a while back for "daring" to go to a company thats not part of the WIM "empire", who were considerably cheaper than WIM, and daring to get them to use readily available and well published settings.
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Be interesting to see if the tyre was incorrectly fitted. I would be checking that as a matter of urgency, for safety reasons.
Obviously, a return trip is not viable, but contact them and see what they say - all companies make mistakes, its how they rectify them that shows the good from the bad, IMHO.
I use WIM, and I recommend them openly. Thus, if they are not performing to my expectations, I feel partly responsible.
I had no end of problems with my Omega several years back, and no matter how many places looked at it, the results were always front tyres scrubbed in 6k miles, and imprecise handling. I discussed, at length, with Tony one night - he called me after I posted on a forum somewhere (not this one) - what my problems were, and he suggested why I was suffering those, and what I would expect afterwards. So, having inspired confidence, I booked it in and took the trip to (then) Watford. All that he had said on the phone a few days previous he could show me on the machine. The result was a transformation.
Since, any handling complaints, I've been in contact, and he has suggested solutions.
I have used other places since, but invariably end up back there, as none of the others seem to be able to sort it - they can all set it to a set of figures I give them (well, some of them, anyway ;D), but don't really listen to what I'm saying from a handling viewpoint.
I personally think the franchising experiment was a bad move, as franchisee's rarely have the same dedication. I do wonder if the same is happening in Chesham as Tony rarely gets involved in spanner twiddling for reasons I won't go in to.
As for GY Eagle F1 Assym 2's, yuk, even Mrs TB moaned about them ;D
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I'd be upset too after travelling 500 miles round trip.
Nice to see others are looking for more local outlets to them, for their geo - after all its not rocket science, and the opimum settings are readily available both on this and other forums. I got a lot of abuse a while back for "daring" to go to a company thats not part of the WIM "empire", who were considerably cheaper than WIM, and daring to get them to use readily available and well published settings.
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The company you recommend Mr bug were excellent,and I would send others there too :Y :y.
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I'd be upset too after travelling 500 miles round trip.
Nice to see others are looking for more local outlets to them, for their geo - after all its not rocket science, and the opimum settings are readily available both on this and other forums. I got a lot of abuse a while back for "daring" to go to a company thats not part of the WIM "empire", who were considerably cheaper than WIM, and daring to get them to use readily available and well published settings.
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The company you recommend Mr bug were excellent,and I would send others there too :Y :y.
Thanx for that Trevor - at least the abuser is now banned, although his alta ego still posts on here
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As many know, I never used WIM as there is a good outfit in Loughborough
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I've been to WIM twice (quite a trek for me too!). First time was Tony himself and superb service. Second time was after Tony had to take a back seat and the service was still good, but not the same as before.
TBH, I doubt I would drive there again as I have heard good things about a place in Colchester. But if I could tie it in with visiting friends/family over that way I would possibly still use them. But I must admit that I am now thinking that the OP might have done me a favour.
He must contact them though... If they have fitted a tyre the wrong way around then they need to know.
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The company you recommend Mr bug were excellent,and I would send others there too :Y :y.
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Which company?
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It's the guy on the end of the spanners on the day that matters, whatever outfit you use.
Talk to him beforehand about what you want, and if he thinks he knows better, or you think he knows sod all, best to take your custom elsewhere. ;)
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
Was wondering that too :-\
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Where in Colchester, please, Lazydocker? I live about 20 miles from that town, so that's quite handy.
Ron.
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
Work has got in the way, by the time I've been getting home Ive nit had time to get thr torch iut and go in the yard.
Obviousl if I am wrong (it has been known) and they are all as they should be I will hold my hands up and let youse know :y
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
Work has got in the way, by the time I've been getting home Ive nit had time to get thr torch iut and go in the yard.
Obviousl if I am wrong (it has been known) and they are all as they should be I will hold my hands up and let youse know :y
An assymetric tyre incorrectly fitted is a safety hazard. MAKE TIME, there are no excuses.
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
Work has got in the way, by the time I've been getting home Ive nit had time to get thr torch iut and go in the yard.
Obviousl if I am wrong (it has been known) and they are all as they should be I will hold my hands up and let youse know :y
An assymetric tyre incorrectly fitted is a safety hazard. MAKE TIME, there are no excuses.
Fret ye not, thecars not in daily use. Partly because its not needed and partly as the crank sensor is kaput... :D
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Maybe I missed it but .. Mr GK, have you found out whether all the tyres say 'Outside' on the outside, yet?
Work has got in the way, by the time I've been getting home Ive nit had time to get thr torch iut and go in the yard.
Obviousl if I am wrong (it has been known) and they are all as they should be I will hold my hands up and let youse know :y
An assymetric tyre incorrectly fitted is a safety hazard. MAKE TIME, there are no excuses.
Slightly off topic, but at the 'shop I find most of the cheap/economy/budget/Chinese tyres have no markings for direction or 'outside' / 'inside'. I always double check by actually checking the tread that its not asymmetrical (just in case I missed the outside mark). those can then be fitted either way (though with these I always put the paint dot so its on the outside and by the valve).
next, theres outside / inside marked tyres. simple enough even for me ;D
then theres directional tyres with the arrow to dictate the DOR. again simple enough.
Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
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Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
Most definitely yes. Including the OPs GY Eagle F1 A2
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Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
Most definitely yes. Including the OPs GY Eagle F1 A2
Are you sure Senor TB? Looking on a close up of said tyre I can not see directional arrows, but I can see the outside mark......
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Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
Most definitely yes. Including the OPs GY Eagle F1 A2
Are you sure Senor TB? Looking on a close up of said tyre I can not see directional arrows, but I can see the outside mark......
Oooooh, I'd have to go and check now. Think I still have one in the garage.
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Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
Most definitely yes. Including the OPs GY Eagle F1 A2
Are you sure Senor TB? Looking on a close up of said tyre I can not see directional arrows, but I can see the outside mark......
Oooooh, I'd have to go and check now. Think I still have one in the garage.
just a Google image check would have sufficed ::) ;D
ps, not arguing.... just curious as a relative newby tyre fitter (well 12 months so not too ''newb-ish'')
going on the tyres we see its either 'outside' marked or arrowed. if you had both then wouldn't you need to specify which tyre went on which side of the car (if I'm making any sense at all ::))
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going on the tyres we see its either 'outside' marked or arrowed. if you had both then wouldn't you need to specify which tyre went on which side of the car (if I'm making any sense at all ::))
Yes. This is quite common. Hence on many larger tyre sizes (often more likely to be a directional, assymetrical tyre), you can't swap wheels left to right to diagnose pulls.
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Therefore my question is....(get there in the end)...... can you get tyres with outside/inside marks that are also directional? I presume not as theyd then have to dictate which side it was. but im bored enough to ask your thoughts ;D
Most definitely yes. Including the OPs GY Eagle F1 A2
Are you sure Senor TB? Looking on a close up of said tyre I can not see directional arrows, but I can see the outside mark......
Oooooh, I'd have to go and check now. Think I still have one in the garage.
just a Google image check would have sufficed ::) ;D
ps, not arguing.... just curious as a relative newby tyre fitter (well 12 months so not too ''newb-ish'')
going on the tyres we see its either 'outside' marked or arrowed. if you had both then wouldn't you need to specify which tyre went on which side of the car (if I'm making any sense at all ::))
Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
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going on the tyres we see its either 'outside' marked or arrowed. if you had both then wouldn't you need to specify which tyre went on which side of the car (if I'm making any sense at all ::))
Yes. This is quite common. Hence on many larger tyre sizes (often more likely to be a directional, assymetrical tyre), you can't swap wheels left to right to diagnose pulls.
Yeah I get what you mean. I'm just struggling to put what I mean in to words correctly :-[
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
Well, it "can", but won't work very well ;D
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
It has either a directional arrow or is marked 'outside' and 'inside'. If that's wrong, then I've never seen both.
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http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/directional-and-asymmetric-tyres.html
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
It has either a directional arrow or is marked 'outside' and 'inside'. If that's wrong, then I've never seen both.
Many are :). As said, generally more so in larger sizes.
Directional often means a "V" style pattern (but not always, in fact less so now than 10yrs ago), thus tends to work only in one direction. Assymentrical means the inside and outside of tyres offer different characteristics, usually with the outerblocks designed for cornering, inner blocks for water dispersion.
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Ok, i'll try and put it in as simplest terms as possible (for my own benefit I assure you :))
chap comes in for NSF tyre.
if new tyre has 'outside' marks I obviously mount that on the outside irrespective of whether it's nearside or offside
if the new tyre has directional arrows I have to check that its the nearside, I then mount the tyre so that as I look at the wheel from the front the arrows are going left (to coincide with the direction of that tyre)
IF the tyre had outside marks AND arrows then that tyre I'd have to specify that it's for that particular side......which, when I call the tyre supplier they've never asked me which side it is. therefore my question of ''can you get directional and outside'' on anything?
hope that makes sense....if it doesn't I'm simply going to go to bed early ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
It has either a directional arrow or is marked 'outside' and 'inside'. If that's wrong, then I've never seen both.
Many are :). As said, generally more so in larger sizes.
Directional often means a "V" style pattern (but not always, in fact less so now than 10yrs ago), thus tends to work only in one direction. Assymentrical means the inside and outside of tyres offer different characteristics, usually with the outerblocks designed for cornering, inner blocks for water dispersion.
Not having it. Any tyre will fit anywhere on a car. Show me different. :P
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Ok, i'll try and put it in as simplest terms as possible (for my own benefit I assure you :))
chap comes in for NSF tyre.
if new tyre has 'outside' marks I obviously mount that on the outside irrespective of whether it's nearside or offside
if the new tyre has directional arrows I have to check that its the nearside, I then mount the tyre so that as I look at the wheel from the front the arrows are going left (to coincide with the direction of that tyre)
IF the tyre had outside marks AND arrows then that tyre I'd have to specify that it's for that particular side......which, when I call the tyre supplier they've never asked me which side it is. therefore my question of ''can you get directional and outside'' on anything?
hope that makes sense....if it doesn't I'm simply going to go to bed early ;D ;D ;D ;D
No.
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Ok, i'll try and put it in as simplest terms as possible (for my own benefit I assure you :))
chap comes in for NSF tyre.
if new tyre has 'outside' marks I obviously mount that on the outside irrespective of whether it's nearside or offside
if the new tyre has directional arrows I have to check that its the nearside, I then mount the tyre so that as I look at the wheel from the front the arrows are going left (to coincide with the direction of that tyre)
IF the tyre had outside marks AND arrows then that tyre I'd have to specify that it's for that particular side......which, when I call the tyre supplier they've never asked me which side it is. therefore my question of ''can you get directional and outside'' on anything?
hope that makes sense....if it doesn't I'm simply going to go to bed early ;D ;D ;D ;D
No.
exactly what I thought......until TB came along ::) ;D ;D
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Ok, i'll try and put it in as simplest terms as possible (for my own benefit I assure you :))
chap comes in for NSF tyre.
if new tyre has 'outside' marks I obviously mount that on the outside irrespective of whether it's nearside or offside
if the new tyre has directional arrows I have to check that its the nearside, I then mount the tyre so that as I look at the wheel from the front the arrows are going left (to coincide with the direction of that tyre)
IF the tyre had outside marks AND arrows then that tyre I'd have to specify that it's for that particular side......which, when I call the tyre supplier they've never asked me which side it is. therefore my question of ''can you get directional and outside'' on anything?
hope that makes sense....if it doesn't I'm simply going to go to bed early ;D ;D ;D ;D
No.
exactly what I thought......until TB came along ::) ;D ;D
He knows nowt...retard ;D
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Apparently, Google is overheating in the Brackley area. ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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From your AA quote Steve:
Some high performance cars are fitted with directional and asymmetric tyres. These must be fitted the right way round on the wheel and on the correct side of the vehicle. :y
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
It has either a directional arrow or is marked 'outside' and 'inside'. If that's wrong, then I've never seen both.
Many are :). As said, generally more so in larger sizes.
Directional often means a "V" style pattern (but not always, in fact less so now than 10yrs ago), thus tends to work only in one direction. Assymentrical means the inside and outside of tyres offer different characteristics, usually with the outerblocks designed for cornering, inner blocks for water dispersion.
Not having it. Any tyre will fit anywhere on a car. Show me different. :P
From your AA quote Steve:
Some high performance cars are fitted with directional and asymmetric tyres. These must be fitted the right way round on the wheel and on the correct side of the vehicle. :y
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Hang on a fickin minute here. Any tyre can go on any side of a car.... :P
Not if its directional and assymetrical :)
It has either a directional arrow or is marked 'outside' and 'inside'. If that's wrong, then I've never seen both.
Many are :). As said, generally more so in larger sizes.
Directional often means a "V" style pattern (but not always, in fact less so now than 10yrs ago), thus tends to work only in one direction. Assymentrical means the inside and outside of tyres offer different characteristics, usually with the outerblocks designed for cornering, inner blocks for water dispersion.
Not having it. Any tyre will fit anywhere on a car. Show me different. :P
From your AA quote Steve:
Some high performance cars are fitted with directional and asymmetric tyres. These must be fitted the right way round on the wheel and on the correct side of the vehicle. :y
Thanks, Chris. Me and Webby were having such fun there, too. :(
Is an omega a high performance car? ;D
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so far I can only find a Ferrari that has both DOR and outside marks (thus needing to get tyres specific to the side)
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probably specific to that Ferrari too.
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So.....the only directional and asymmetrical tyre you will find is one specially designed for a very high performance car. In the real world, they don't exist.
I think that's 9.5 out of ten for me, and 0.5 for Jaime. ;D
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So.....the only directional and asymmetrical tyre you will find is one specially designed for a very high performance car. In the real world, they don't exist.
I think that's 9.5 out of ten for me, and 0.5 for Jaime. ;D
I've got a feeling he's out in the garage with a torch right now ::) ;D
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Oooooo....just thought...he might be in a bad mood now.
So......that's 9.5 out of ten for Webby, and 0.5 for Jaime. Better.......much better. :)
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Sorry, in pub. Yes, you can get tyres that you have to specify size, I have defo had them one cars, including the ,lOmega and some of the rovers
With many tyres having rim protectors now, it's getting more common
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Dunlop SP9000 defo. From memory, Sc5, I'm have doubts about GY F1 now
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GY Eagle F1 is an asymmetric but NOT a directional tyre, so can go on any wheel provided the outside is on the outside .. :) which is quite easy to check as it has a rim protector .. which should be visible ..... :)
UniRoyal RainSport 3 is an asymmetrical directional tyre .... :)
The asymmetrical bit is not that important .. providing its on the wheel the right way round - as directional tyres can only be swapped front - rear on the same side .. and NEVER side to side
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GY Eagle F1 is an asymmetric but NOT a directional tyre, so can go on any wheel provided the outside is on the outside .. :) which is quite easy to check as it has a rim protector .. which should be visible ..... :)
Hadnt considered the rim protector would be one side only. Something else to check once I'm changed!
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As many know, I never used WIM as there is a good outfit in Loughborough
no need to travel that far theres a good place in notts that I used on my my omega.
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GY Eagle F1 is an asymmetric but NOT a directional tyre, so can go on any wheel provided the outside is on the outside .. :) which is quite easy to check as it has a rim protector .. which should be visible ..... :)
UniRoyal RainSport 3 is an asymmetrical directional tyre .... :)
The asymmetrical bit is not that important .. providing its on the wheel the right way round - as directional tyres can only be swapped front - rear on the same side .. and NEVER side to side
It can be swapped from side to side. Inside becomes outside.
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GY Eagle F1 is an asymmetric but NOT a directional tyre, so can go on any wheel provided the outside is on the outside .. :) which is quite easy to check as it says OUTSIDE on it.. which should be visible ..... :)
UniRoyal RainSport 3 is an asymmetrical directional tyre .... :)
The asymmetrical bit is not that important .. providing its on the wheel the right way round - as directional tyres can only be swapped front - rear on the same side .. and NEVER side to side
It can be swapped from side to side once it has been removed from the wheel turned over and refitted. Inside becomes outside and the direction of rotation remains the same.
Both fixed ;)
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GY Eagle F1 is an asymmetric but NOT a directional tyre, so can go on any wheel provided the outside is on the outside .. :) which is quite easy to check as it says OUTSIDE on it.. which should be visible ..... :)
UniRoyal RainSport 3 is an asymmetrical directional tyre .... :)
The asymmetrical bit is not that important .. providing its on the wheel the right way round - as directional tyres can only be swapped front - rear on the same side .. and NEVER side to side
It can be swapped from side to side once it has been removed from the wheel turned over and refitted. Inside becomes outside and the direction of rotation remains the same.
Both fixed ;)
That's exactly what I said, just more long-winded.
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Further research ...
The RainSport 3 is NOT a directional tyre .. even thougth many suppliers quote is as one ..my apologies.. explanation can be found here .. right down the bottom ..
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/the-uniroyal-rainsport-3-a-new-rain-tyre
" According to the manufacturer’s website, the RainSport 3 is a tyre having an asymmetric tread with optimized water flow, rather than a directional tyre. The contact patch of a UHP tyre is short and wide, and the tread channels in the RainSport 3 are long and set at an acute angle to the direction of travel, so only small sections of them are in contact with the road at the same time.
The direction of the tread channels in the Uniroyal RainSport 3 is not important, because they function more or less the same as circumferential grooves in a standard tyre."
My apologies
A "true" Asymmetric Directional tyre is the P Zero Corsa ,,,
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero+Corsa+System
"The P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico tread design features a semi-slick, low void ratio and a large external shoulder structure with a minimum number of grooves to eliminate the blocky structure of a conventional pattern. The P Zero Corsa System Asimmetrico asymmetric and directional tread design requires separate left and right side tires for the vehicle as branded on each tire's sidewall. The tire's internal structure includes highly flexible steel belts reinforced by spirally wound nylon to enhance cornering stability and provide high-speed capability while reducing weight."
My bold ...
Original Equipment for the road versions of Ferrari 360 Challenge, Lamborghini Gallardo and Porsche GT2 & GT3 cars, so 'Kin expensive !!
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But a directional and asymmetric is sided, so if you have wrong tyre, you're stuffed
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And most directional tyres now are assymetric
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Further research ...
The RainSport 3 is NOT a directional tyre .. even thougth many suppliers quote is as one ..my apologies.. explanation can be found here .. right down the bottom ..
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/the-uniroyal-rainsport-3-a-new-rain-tyre
" According to the manufacturer’s website, the RainSport 3 is a tyre having an asymmetric tread with optimized water flow, rather than a directional tyre. The contact patch of a UHP tyre is short and wide, and the tread channels in the RainSport 3 are long and set at an acute angle to the direction of travel, so only small sections of them are in contact with the road at the same time.
The direction of the tread channels in the Uniroyal RainSport 3 is not important, because they function more or less the same as circumferential grooves in a standard tyre."
My apologies
Please don't apologise, Nigel. Your input is greatly appreciated and we only get to a conclusion (sometimes) after we've all had our say :y
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Further research ...
The RainSport 3 is NOT a directional tyre .. ...
I know, I fitted four to my Smart the other month. They have 'outside' written on the side of the tyre
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And most directional tyres now are assymetric
Depends where you look:
Standard car tyres usually have a symmetrical pattern running across the entire tread. Some high performance cars however are fitted with tyres with special tread patterns. These asymmetric and directional tyres must be fitted the right way round on the wheel. Incorrect fitting of both is a reason for MOT failure.
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I was amending my post while you guys posted ... info on a "true" Asymmetric Directional tyre now a few posts back !!
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So basically...
Webby has his work cut out matching the original tyre characteristics for his 0-60 test :D
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as I said before I am yet to fit a tyre that have both arrows for direction and marked outside
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Further research ...
The RainSport 3 is NOT a directional tyre .. even thougth many suppliers quote is as one ..my apologies.. explanation can be found here .. right down the bottom ..
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/the-uniroyal-rainsport-3-a-new-rain-tyre
" According to the manufacturer’s website, the RainSport 3 is a tyre having an asymmetric tread with optimized water flow, rather than a directional tyre. The contact patch of a UHP tyre is short and wide, and the tread channels in the RainSport 3 are long and set at an acute angle to the direction of travel, so only small sections of them are in contact with the road at the same time.
The direction of the tread channels in the Uniroyal RainSport 3 is not important, because they function more or less the same as circumferential grooves in a standard tyre."
My apologies
A "true" Asymmetric Directional tyre is the P Zero Corsa ,,,
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero+Corsa+System
"The P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico tread design features a semi-slick, low void ratio and a large external shoulder structure with a minimum number of grooves to eliminate the blocky structure of a conventional pattern. The P Zero Corsa System Asimmetrico asymmetric and directional tread design requires separate left and right side tires for the vehicle as branded on each tire's sidewall. The tire's internal structure includes highly flexible steel belts reinforced by spirally wound nylon to enhance cornering stability and provide high-speed capability while reducing weight."
My bold ...
Original Equipment for the road versions of Ferrari 360 Challenge, Lamborghini Gallardo and Porsche GT2 & GT3 cars, so 'Kin expensive !!
And not tyres any of us are likely to come across.
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Ah we havn't had a decent tyre thread for a while! :y
It's only a matter of time before one of Gixer's doppelgangers chips in! ::) ;D
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http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/the-uniroyal-rainsport-3-a-new-rain-tyre
Quote from website-- "The Uniroyal RainSport 3 has an asymmetric tread with a directional outer part." Unquote.
So with the "OUTSIDE" showing on the O/S of the car it will clearly grab water to the centre of the tyre unlike being fitted to the N/S. But Uniroyal say it doesn't matter.
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Where in Colchester, please, Lazydocker? I live about 20 miles from that town, so that's quite handy.
Ron.
I'll have to check... I've not been but johnnycboy did :y
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as I said before I am yet to fit a tyre that have both arrows for direction and marked outside
I'm guessing you fit mostly budget tyres on eurotrash shitboxes?
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as I said before I am yet to fit a tyre that have both arrows for direction and marked outside
I'm guessing you fit mostly budget tyres on eurotrash shitboxes?
We fit lots of different tyres ;)
As confirmed by tyre supplier I called this morning they're either or and NOT directional and assymetrical unless it's a Ferrari or similar:p
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Come on TB.... me and STEMO are still waiting for proof of the directional and outside marked tyres ::) ;D
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Come on TB.... me and STEMO are still waiting for proof of the directional and outside marked tyres ::) ;D
Post #78 second part ... :) and STEMO read it as he made a comment ..... :)
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Come on TB.... me and STEMO are still waiting for proof of the directional and outside marked tyres ::) ;D
Post #78 second part ... :) and STEMO read it as he made a comment ..... :)
no nige, I want Jaime to comment! ;D (only kidding ;))
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Come on TB.... me and STEMO are still waiting for proof of the directional and outside marked tyres ::) ;D
You know they exist, I know they exist, STEMO knows they exist - his own link said so. I ain't wasting time looking around the Internet ;D
I don't think any of the tyres I have currently are directional, but they are probably assym. Too wet to look. TBH, I think because of the stocking issues, esp when rubber was ridiculously priced, most mainstream directional tyres have fallen out of favour anyway.
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Come on TB.... me and STEMO are still waiting for proof of the directional and outside marked tyres ::) ;D
You know they exist, I know they exist, STEMO knows they exist - his own link said so. I ain't wasting time looking around the Internet ;D
I don't think any of the tyres I have currently are directional, but they are probably assym. Too wet to look. TBH, I think because of the stocking issues, esp when rubber was ridiculously priced, most mainstream directional tyres have fallen out of favour anyway.
;D was only kiddin mate ;) :y :y