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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lazydocker on 22 March 2016, 12:34:38
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Surprised not to see a thread about this yet!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254)
My thoughts go out to all who have been caught up in this terrible event!
What is happening with our world? :'( :'(
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Surprised not to see a thread about this yet!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254)
My thoughts go out to all who have been caught up in this terrible event!
What is happening with our world? :'( :'(
Indeed,I wonder what my kids are growing up to face with all this shit going on :'(
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Surprised not to see a thread about this yet!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254)
My thoughts go out to all who have been caught up in this terrible event!
What is happening with our world? :'( :'(
Well that's open borders for you >:(
It is a sad fact that many of those involved in terror, both at home and abroad, are locally born and with a grudge against the society they feel hasn't "welcomed" them or "respected" them or there religious faith.
Shame these bastards didn't come to the west to integrate into our society and way of life.
This is coming to a city near you in the future and there is Sweet F All you can do about it :'(
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terrible. At least 26 dead.
I would imagine security will be stepped up everywhere for the Easter rush.
I wonder if there ought to be a new offence on the statute books to enable police to detain jihadists and search their property(for bomb making kit, weapons etc). We live in very different times to even twenty years ago.
On a separate note, I am surprised that Apple are not co operating with helping unlock a mobile phone that is crucial to an investigation. Surely they could set up a top level process - something like extradition so that the worthy cases each year can be done.
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On a separate note, I am surprised that Apple are not co operating with helping unlock a mobile phone that is crucial to an investigation. Surely they could set up a top level process - something like extradition so that the worthy cases each year can be done.
No. Apple are refusing to compromise the security of everyone globally by introducing a backdoor that could be used remotely, at will, by anyone who has the key - and don't for a second believe that will just be the FBI. It will be the FBI, NSA, CIA, GCHQ, Mossad oh and anyone who reverse engineers the backdoor for malicious financial gain; organised crime is big business and they already make millions (likely billions) per year from digital fraud, a nice easy back door for them to use to steal all of your personal information would be worth a literal fortune to them.
You could certainly kiss goodbye to your identity and any semblance of personal data security if you carried an iOS device.
http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/17/why-apple-is-fighting-not-to-unlock-iphones-for-the-government/
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I wonder if there ought to be a new offence on the statute books to enable police to detain jihadists and search their property(for bomb making kit, weapons etc). We live in very different times to even twenty years ago.
You want people arrested and detained on suspicion? "He looks dodgy, arrest him and search all his stuff!"
Hello, Orwell.
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On a separate note, I am surprised that Apple are not co operating with helping unlock a mobile phone that is crucial to an investigation. Surely they could set up a top level process - something like extradition so that the worthy cases each year can be done.
No. Apple are refusing to compromise the security of everyone globally by introducing a backdoor that could be used remotely, at will, by anyone who has the key - and don't for a second believe that will just be the FBI. It will be the FBI, NSA, CIA, GCHQ, Mossad oh and anyone who reverse engineers the backdoor for malicious financial gain; organised crime is big business and they already make millions (likely billions) per year from digital fraud, a nice easy back door for them to use to steal all of your personal information would be worth a literal fortune to them.
You could certainly kiss goodbye to your identity and any semblance of personal data security if you carried an iOS device.
http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/17/why-apple-is-fighting-not-to-unlock-iphones-for-the-government/
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I wonder if there ought to be a new offence on the statute books to enable police to detain jihadists and search their property(for bomb making kit, weapons etc). We live in very different times to even twenty years ago.
You want people arrested and detained on suspicion? "He looks dodgy, arrest him and search all his stuff!"
Hello, Orwell.
Some geek in a bunker somewhere cracked the encryption years ago
The problem with using that information gained is that the security services would have to admit how they gained said information in a court of law.
All in my opinion of course ;)
Ref Orwell .............
The times have changed and peoples attitude to this sort of surveillance needs to change very quickly.
In the past, the enemy wore a uniform and fought using Queensbury Rules against others who wore a uniform.
Now terror being terror, the enemy has decided to terrorise, mutilate and murder the least protected citizens of this world because they are easy targets and due to the nature of the media, give them the most airtime >:(
A little 1984 is sadly needed if only to protect the innocent :(
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You want people arrested and detained on suspicion? "He looks dodgy, arrest him and search all his stuff!"
Hello, Orwell.
Interesting, I believe this already happens , certainly did in guantanamo. Not to mention russia, china and (probably) the UK although we'll likely use some convenient offshore location to do it/
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What I was proposing was that going through a very specific channel, Apple would unlock a phone at their premises using their staff maybe a couple of times a year. I agree with everyone that the FBI etc shouldn't be able to do it themselves.
Orwell? Spot on TG "In the past, the enemy wore a uniform and fought using Queensbury Rules against others who wore a uniform". I would add and observed the Geneva Convention. Terrorists do neither. I do not believe that there are many if any new terrorism laws. One area I wish they would look at is citizenship and right to a countries passport. As an aside I wonder how many deaths were averted by the Guantanamo debacle ?
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This couldn't have happened at a better time for Cameron and Osbourne.
Cynical......me?
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Meant to add
although it saved taxpayers money on a trial and prison , it is a shame that they shot the guy on Friday as no doubt he knew what was about to happen. By " forcing" him to speak immediately after his arrest, many lives could have been saved. We are of course too civilised to do that.
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Meant to add
although it saved taxpayers money on a trial and prison , it is a shame that they shot the guy on Friday as no doubt he knew what was about to happen. By " forcing" him to speak immediately after his arrest, many lives could have been saved. We are of course too civilised to do that.
Which guy? :-\
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Belgian police said Samir Bouzid was "most probably" Mohamed Belkaid. He was killed by a police sniper in a raid on a flat outside Brussels on 15 March.
I got the date wrong. Tuesday 15th.
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Sorry, I thought you were talking about the guy they shot in the leg, Abdesalam.
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This couldn't have happened at a better time for Cameron and Osbourne.
Cynical......me?
Yes it takes the spot light off them pair.
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The father of a friend of mine was killed and her mother injured in the airport blast today. My friend had left for the US just before and will now be coming back from US. Don't know what to say.
We were both in Paris for business last week - I feel so sad
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Sorry to hear that. I am lucky in that all my friends and acquaintances are safe and accounted for.
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The father of a friend of mine was killed and her mother injured in the airport blast today. My friend had left for the US just before and will now be coming back from US. Don't know what to say.
We were both in Paris for business last week - I feel so sad
So sorry to hear that, Phil. I guess it's not real until it hits you close to home.
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Ref Apple:
If you were a global giant with a cult following and you wanted to protect your brand while.not falling foul of the law, what would you do?
Concoct some public display while quietly giving some 3rd party you owe a favour to the details of how to maybe do what the court order asks you to do? ::)
And ref encryption, there is no bunker. There is only GCHQ. The right encryption technique would require months if not years to brute force even with some massive supercomputer. By which time the information you were protecting is now worthless. So for time critical messages you use encryption and everything else is passed on physically in person. Good prevention comes from HUMINT. Don't believe me? Look at the Investigatory Power Bill going through consultation right now. All the hype is on the ISP logs but the key part is where start ups and tech companies can be forced to provide backdoors to British secret services under pain of financial ruin and jail time. This says to me that we are reaching a point where the sophistication of technology is outstripping acceptable means to bypass them.
Try running a brute force on a triple DES with double key lengths and unique values in to a calculator and you will see what I mean.
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Wish I hadn't started this thread... Some frighteningly xenophobic and racist comments, as well as some seriously worrying ideas for "security"!
Makes our future plans even more appealing ::)
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Let us piss on the fing c**ts. >:( :'(
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I take about 40-50flights a year and have several friends who do the same.
As a group, events like this always hit us hard. Gave my folks a cal this morning just to tell them where I was (uk based). Although they tried not to let on I could tell how relieved they were.
In the end I will probably change what I do, especially once I have children. Which is sad, and some would classify it as "letting them win".
In the mean time, all I can say is we should try to not jump to overly simplistic conclusions about how people become radicalised, what radicalisation actually means and how you work to prevent it. However I'm guessing I'm wasting my digital breath here.
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The father of a friend of mine was killed and her mother injured in the airport blast today. My friend had left for the US just before and will now be coming back from US. Don't know what to say.
We were both in Paris for business last week - I feel so sad
That human cost is very, very, sad. What can one say?
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Belgium's Intel forces and organisation are weak and badly organised and unfortunately being taken advantage of by ISIS. >:( >:( We have had 7/7 and been lucky since then but sadly that luck won't last forever.
Apple and alike need to accept that "Be you ever so high you are not above the law" - Lord Dennison Master of the Rolls. It is up to the politicians to draw the lines but this is going to take time and the terrorists will take advantage in the meantime. :(
You can thank the traitor Snowden for his help for the terrorists is disseminating US and Western world secrets which help the terrorists. >:( >:( >:( SIGINT is a vital first line of defense, with as Guffer said HUMINT playing a vital part but the leads and direction very often coming from SIGINT.
My thoughts and condolences go to the victims, their families and friends. :'( When I was at school a friend on mine his mum was killed in an IRA bombing, so it can get all too easily close and personal rather than just a statistic. :'(
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The father of a friend of mine was killed and her mother injured in the airport blast today. My friend had left for the US just before and will now be coming back from US. Don't know what to say.
We were both in Paris for business last week - I feel so sad
Sincere thoughts with you and your friends at this time :(
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Ref Apple:
If you were a global giant with a cult following and you wanted to protect your brand while.not falling foul of the law, what would you do?
Concoct some public display while quietly giving some 3rd party you owe a favour to the details of how to maybe do what the court order asks you to do? ::)
And ref encryption, there is no bunker. There is only GCHQ. The right encryption technique would require months if not years to brute force even with some massive supercomputer. By which time the information you were protecting is now worthless. So for time critical messages you use encryption and everything else is passed on physically in person. Good prevention comes from HUMINT. Don't believe me? Look at the Investigatory Power Bill going through consultation right now. All the hype is on the ISP logs but the key part is where start ups and tech companies can be forced to provide backdoors to British secret services under pain of financial ruin and jail time. This says to me that we are reaching a point where the sophistication of technology is outstripping acceptable means to bypass them.
Try running a brute force on a triple DES with double key lengths and unique values in to a calculator and you will see what I mean.
I know
I'm nowhere near at the level you are on stuff like this but I believe your spot on there :y
Its a shame the general public who go on about human rights wont understand what is really happening out there until the shit starts flying right on there doorstep :(
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Wish I hadn't started this thread... Some frighteningly xenophobic and racist comments, as well as some seriously worrying ideas for "security"!
Makes our future plans even more appealing ::)
I don't see any of those comments LD
I just see a lot of frightened people waking up to what the real world is becoming :(
At the moment, Europe is the centre of this shite because we are soft.
We care more about what somebody else in the world thinks rather then saying opps it, lets protect ourselves and 'dangle berries' to the rest of the worlds opinion.
As for you and your young family's future plans, I truly wish you all the luck in the world but I fear no matter were you go, this shite will follow you :(
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I also see no Xenophobic or racist comments either....
Ref : George Orwell..... don't the Police have a 'Stop ans Search' policy on all of us if they think someone is 'acting beyond reasonable doubt'....?
I know in my yoof I got stopped for nor good reason except the copper said they don't need a reason to stop me....
The Big Brother mentality we all have at the moment is actually helping our security services to find out who it was that might have shot or blown people up... Unfortunately we don't have the cameras that can suspect anyone of terrorist behaviour or shoot them on sight if they think they might be a terrorist....
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I also see no Xenophobic or racist comments either....
Ref : George Orwell..... don't the Police have a 'Stop ans Search' policy on all of us if they think someone is 'acting beyond reasonable doubt'....?
I know in my yoof I got stopped for nor good reason except the copper said they don't need a reason to stop me....
The Big Brother mentality we all have at the moment is actually helping our security services to find out who it was that might have shot or blown people up... Unfortunately we don't have the cameras that can suspect anyone of terrorist behaviour or shoot them on sight if they think they might be a terrorist....
Ok, lets apply that thinking... I think you're a terrorist, should that be grounds to slot you as you leave the house to take the kids to school?
Didn't think so :-X
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I also see no Xenophobic or racist comments either....
Ref : George Orwell..... don't the Police have a 'Stop ans Search' policy on all of us if they think someone is 'acting beyond reasonable doubt'....?
I know in my yoof I got stopped for nor good reason except the copper said they don't need a reason to stop me....
The Big Brother mentality we all have at the moment is actually helping our security services to find out who it was that might have shot or blown people up... Unfortunately we don't have the cameras that can suspect anyone of terrorist behaviour or shoot them on sight if they think they might be a terrorist....
Ok, lets apply that thinking... I think you're a terrorist, should that be grounds to slot you as you leave the house to take the kids to school?
Didn't think so :-X
On the other hand
I think your a terrorist and I have intelligence that gives me good reason to believe that ......
I turn up at your door knowing that you may be wearing a bodybelt packed with explosives and nails.
Experience also tells me that your group is quite happy to blow up yourself and any oppser around you because you believe that is what your god says you should do............
Contact is made as you walk out of your front door.
Armed officers are pointing various weapons at you ............
You start muttering something along the lines of "god is great" and reach for the inside of your jacket ............
Do I
a/. Think about your human rights and what the papers will say and ask you nicely to put you hands on your head ?
OR
b/. Empty my weapon into your torso ?
Al (and everybody else for that matter) :)
This is not conventional crime / threat as we have known in the past.
Even the IRA didn't believe they were going to paradise complete with assorted virgins if they got slotted during the line of duty ;)
These bastards want to die and take as many of me, you and our families and friends as possible :'( :'(
I'm afraid conventional morals go out of the window when your life depends on it :(
Shit world we live in isn't it :(
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Apparently third person filmed on cctv has been arrested.If indeed it turns out to be him then hopefully he'll be questioned further to obtain as much information as he may have which could lead to the arrest of others.From a personal viewpoint I know we have to show that we are "better" than these terrorists,but I'm afraid if we're to succeed against them then there are times when we're going to have to get down and dirty with them.
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Tiger:
I don't necessarily disagree with you but it's worth bearing in mind the level of evidence you need befor you approach. I've, just how sure are you? Because here's the rub:
What if the person you get Intel about is a thief, scrote or maybe part of organised crime, by not a terrorist. Killing them creates something between a poster child and a martyr for causes just like Isis. In trying to whack one mole, you spawn a dozen more.
Hence my earlier comment about being cautious about being overly simplistic. There always has to be a balance between the powers that allow the intelligence services to act on information and protect the majority and those powers alienating large swathes of our society and creating the very environment of distrust and prejudice that extremists NEED in order to thrive.
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I think the antidote to this activity is to work quietly to quash it by intelligence whilst not outwardly raising the levels of hysteria we see in the media, not inconveniencing innocent people nor removing their liberty. To do any of this is to play into the hands of the terrorists.
It must be awful to be in the position of pscocoa's friend, having loved ones taken from you needlessly. She has my every sympathy, especially as I write while preparing a celebration of my own parents golden wedding anniversary. :(
Personal impact aside, for a moment, though, we accept a much higher risk of losing our lives every time we take to the roads or participate in any other activities which we consider commonplace, so these events aren't significant to the population as a whole, and aren't worthy of the publicity they create for their perpetrators. >:(
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As someone said earlier, God knows what's in store for my grandsons a few years down the road, what goes on in these peoples minds is beyond me . My thoughts & prayers to the families whose lives will never be the same again.
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Tiger:
I don't necessarily disagree with you but it's worth bearing in mind the level of evidence you need befor you approach. I've, just how sure are you? Because here's the rub:
What if the person you get Intel about is a thief, scrote or maybe part of organised crime, by not a terrorist. Killing them creates something between a poster child and a martyr for causes just like Isis. In trying to whack one mole, you spawn a dozen more.
Hence my earlier comment about being cautious about being overly simplistic. There always has to be a balance between the powers that allow the intelligence services to act on information and protect the majority and those powers alienating large swathes of our society and creating the very environment of distrust and prejudice that extremists NEED in order to thrive.
I can't fault anything you say there Jimmy
I really just don't think the general public at large have a clue with what we are facing here :(
This county and the west as a whole has become soft and scared to call it the way it should be :(
We are far too worried about what people think so we either talk in whispers in case somebody screams they are offended or we put our fingers in our ears, stick our heads in the sand and convince ourselves that it isn't happening :(
In fact I would say that we more frightened of being frightened then fear itself :(
I saw the local Imam from Brussels on the TV last night.
One look into his eyes and just listening to his voice told you just how he and the majority of his flock feel about these bastards.
I just wish we could see this on a daily basis in the media around the world. Not when something like this has happened :(
That would be a very powerful message to these vile scum :y
Kevin
Very eloquently put and I agree with you :y
Terrorism is as the name suggests, to bully or terrorise until you get your own way >:(
Sadly, with the media been run by Muddoch and Putin and with social media been imbedded in our life's to the extent it is, these scum are getting all the attention and publicity they require :(
Look at the Turks last week after the latest bombings there.
They instantly shut down Twitter and Facebook until they got on top of the situation on the ground.
Harsh but fair if you ask me but can you imagine the shite that would hit the fan if the UK government did that here ?
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That would be a very powerful message to these vile scum :y
I'm not sure it would - I read a statistic somewhere recently (no idea of it's accuracy, I'll grant you) that IS have killed more Muslims than they have non-Muslims. As far as they are concerned if you don't follow their brand then you are fit to be killed.
Look at the Turks last week after the latest bombings there.
They instantly shut down Twitter and Facebook until they got on top of the situation on the ground.
Harsh but fair if you ask me but can you imagine the shite that would hit the fan if the UK government did that here ?
Turkey also have no problem imprisoning journalists they don't agree with (https://cpj.org/reports/2013/12/second-worst-year-on-record-for-jailed-journalists.php) so I'm not sure we should take too many censorship cues from Erdogan The crazy.
(Then again the UK is also good at jailing people for posting things on Twitter, or jailing 22 year olds for running proxies to banned websites (https://torrentfreak.com/man-faces-prison-sentence-for-circumventing-uk-pirate-site-blockade-16032/) so.. those in glass houses, I guess!)
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Globally, how many people have been killed on the roads since the treasonous twins invaded Iraq?
Perhaps these idiots should be given the proportionate media attention that their overall insignificance warrants, ie next to none.
Just a thought...
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People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one :(
You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come :-\
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame :(
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My logic is: there's eff all I can do about any of it, so I just get on with my life. :)
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Going back to my original post - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.
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People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one :(
You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come :-\
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame :(
No, not blaming those two for road deaths, merely trying to make the point that these attacks, how ever attrocious that they are, are statistically insignificant (for want of a much better word :-().
Terrorism serves purely to cause fear and disruption. Allowing either thing to affect a civilised way of life only serves to pander and encourage such behaviour.
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Going back to my original post - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.
Sad news indeed :'(
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People get killed on the roads and in most walks of life everyday and even I can't blame our war criminal, Tony bLiar for that one :(
You have lost me and I suspect a few others on how you can compare a bunch of nutters who wrap themselves in nails and explosive, walk into a crowd of total strangers, mutter something about god is great then proceed to blow the poor oppsers to kingdom come :-\
As for the media coverage, we have only ourselves to blame :(
No, not blaming those two for road deaths, merely trying to make the point that these attacks, how ever attrocious that they are, are statistically insignificant (for want of a much better word :-().
Terrorism serves purely to cause fear and disruption. Allowing either thing to affect a civilised way of life only serves to pander and encourage such behaviour.
: Gotcha :)
Its hard to put into words, some of the shit that goes on in this world :(
: Agree that we should try not to let this take over our life's but imho, these scum are in a totally different league to anything seen before.
They will settle for nothing more then total domination and obedience of there beliefs.
If you resist, well we know the rest ............ :(
They have to be crushed and bullets and bombs will not do it alone.
The hardest part is separating these scum from the genuine followers of Islam.
How the hell you do that I truly don't know but I believe it will take a generation to do
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Going back to my original post - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.
I've no words to explain how I feel about this :'( :'(
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Going back to my original post - friend's mother is in intensive car and her father is classed as missing.
I've no words to explain how I feel about this :'( :'(
Can only hope that, given the fullness of time, that she recovers from her injuries and that Phils friend and his family can take some solace, however slight, in knowing rather than not :-\
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I see the guy they shot in the leg and arrested[which was caught on camera]has excersized his right to silence!
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I see the guy they shot in the leg and arrested[which was caught on camera]has excersized his right to silence!
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Hope they have ways of making the piece of s**t talk.I know I could.
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This is now becoming even closer to home.
I was in Paris last week with the lady whose parents were stood in the same queue as bomber at Brussels airport. News overnight reconfirms original report that her father was killed after status being changed to missing.
Sat next to her in the meeting in Paris was a lady from Brussels whose son plays with the sons of the UK IT chap David Dixon killed at the Metro - he was a personal friend of hers. To my left was another colleague who lost 2 members of her company in the metro blast.
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Now now Tilbo,you know we have to observe the poor things human rights.What would the neighbours say if we didn't? ::)